^ who are you talking to? there are a lot of people posting in this thread

7/28/2006 3:51:47 PM

He's referring to the "respect the dead" thing. He's really just being a jackass.

7/28/2006 3:53:02 PM

chembob

7/28/2006 3:58:52 PM

Isn't it a contradiction to say

"Who cares about the dead soldiers they signed up" and "I hate Bush for wasting American lives"

7/28/2006 3:58:56 PM

A good way to show respect for the dead is to stop fucking killing people and sending people to be killed.

7/28/2006 3:59:02 PM

^^ please explain why you think that's a contradiction

7/28/2006 4:02:37 PM

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"Isn't it a contradiction to say "Who cares about the dead soldiers they signed up" and "I hate Bush for wasting American lives""

Yes it is, please do not point this out to liberals. They will get angry.


Because by making a statement about how it bothers you, you prove that you care and negate the whole "who cares" thing unless you were asking an actual question with "who cares" and then gonna follow it up with "its me, its me" in the style of the SNL cheerleaders.

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 4:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2006 4:03:07 PM

7/28/2006 4:09:29 PM

This just in: it is impossible to think that somebody who signs their live away can't complain about getting killed AND to be saddened by this fact.

7/28/2006 4:10:29 PM

actually it was my post

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"sorry for your loss but he signed up, jsut a shame our president and govt feel the need to waste american lives for fucking pointless wars"

i never said i didnt care about the lives.... idiots

stop confusing 2 different posts and then merging them together to make yourself look better

learn to fucking read, stupid conservatives

7/28/2006 4:11:00 PM

If you don't care about soldiers dying because "they signed up for it" then how can you turn around and say you "care about the loss of American lives over there" hence you disgust for Bush and the unjust war.


You are using their death to support your argument for a pull out of Iraq while at the same time you are really indifferent about whether they die. You are exploiting the dead to promote your agenda--whatever that maybe.


I am saddened at every single death of our soldiers. Even if they did sign up for it they should not have been in Iraq. they signed up to protect our freedoms even if that meant losing their own life. They did not sign up to fight frivolous wars.

7/28/2006 4:23:25 PM

you are even fucking dumber than i thought, jesus christ man

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"last time i checked nothing that is being done over there is keeping my freedom, that wasnt in danger to begin with it is a fucking stupid war and we shouldnt be over there sorry for your loss but he signed up, jsut a shame our president and govt feel the need to waste american lives for fucking pointless wars"

my arguement for the war to be stopped is as i stated in my post " last time i checked nothing that is being done over there is keeping my freedom, that wasnt in danger to begin with

it is a fucking stupid war and we shouldnt be over there"

jsut shut the fuck up and stop trying to put words into my post you fucking jew bag

i am done with this thread, i dont know why i even posted... the outcome is all the same on tww with stupid dickbags who think they know it all

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 4:27 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2006 4:26:12 PM

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"Its like keeping two pit-bulls trained to fight facing each other on chains for a while and then letting them go."

those types of situations usually end up in the two pit bulls cuddling and playing with each other, so i am much more optimistic now that you have made that analogy!

7/28/2006 4:29:25 PM

^^I wasn't referring to your post. You stupid greek cockbags are all the same. Fucking redneck idiots.

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2006 4:29:47 PM

This thread was clearly intended to pit conservatives & liberals against each other in a perpetual pissing match.

[/sarcasm]

Regardless of how you feel about the war, the motives behind it, and politics in general, you have to be a complete asshole to not recognize the sacrifice people make when they sign up for the millitary.

People join for a variety of reasons, but that does not make what they do any less important. There is a good chance this guy spent his 21st birthday deployed, and he did not live to see his 22nd. If you dont think dying in another country, away from your family, and at age 21 is a huge sacrifice to make you don't deserve to enjoy life in America.

7/28/2006 4:30:38 PM

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"You stupid greek cockbags are all the same. Fucking redneck idiots."

YOU GREEK REDNECK!!!!!

I HAVE SO MUCH MORE COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE THAN YOU DO

(UNLESS THEY ARE GREEK OR FROM THE SOUTH)

7/28/2006 4:31:49 PM

haha

he got beat so he pulls out the Greek card


gg

7/28/2006 4:33:20 PM

Well it was a typical greek redneck response.

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"UNLESS THEY ARE GREEK OR FROM THE SOUTH"

Pretty much true. Hey it's a stereotype for a reason.

7/28/2006 4:44:07 PM

it is kinda funny the naivete on both sides. the first poster talks about how they fight to give us our opportunity to go to college when the reason the majority of people enlist is b/c they are too poor, stupid or both for college.

then on the other side people dont realize that somebody has to be in this war. if enough people werent signing up, there would jsut be a draft and these same people would be forced to fight just so your priviledged ass can sit at home and protest.

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 4:45 PM. Reason : ^APPERENTLY YOU ARENT AWARE WHAT THE WORD "STEREOTYPE" MEANS]

7/28/2006 4:44:36 PM

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

- Wilfred Owen

7/28/2006 4:47:01 PM

back to the topic

7/28/2006 4:58:57 PM

who went off topic?

i think yours was the first post to go off topic

7/28/2006 5:02:05 PM

back to the topic

7/28/2006 5:03:04 PM

good thread

7/28/2006 5:03:13 PM

if i ever see poopface again i will thank him and congratulate him

7/28/2006 5:04:50 PM

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"But he also said that Iraq is a fantastic country that will be 1st world in the some-what near future, as soon as they get out all the bottled up rage from being in an oppressive regime."

Wow, just wow.

14,000 people who should be alive right now are dead (Jan-July).

Out of those, 5,600 died in May and June.

Car/suicide bombings of markets and people waiting in line to enlist in the police/army are killing 20-30 like every other day. These people hate each other completely, more than they hate the Americans for invading their country.

Saddam was evil but he was needed, at least for the near-future, until those people can stop hating each other. I have talked to several Iraqis, and though they all hate Saddam, they say he was a necessary evil, because he prevented the Shiites and Sunnis from decimating each other. I think the vast majority of the world's population would pick the Saddam option rather than the civil war right now, if living in Iraq. At least under Saddam, your life and limb were secure, unless you spoke up against him. But now, women and children are being massacred while buying vegetables EVERY FUCKING SINGLE DAY.

FIRST-WORLD, HERE IRAQ COMES.

FUCKING LOONEY TUNE APPLE PIE IGNORAMUS.

Saddam was evil but he was needed, at least for the near-future, until those people can stop hating each other.

That's THE FUCKING CONCEPT some Americans can't fathom even in the slightest. These cheery nubile idiots think democracy is the way to go in every country. BUT IT IS NOT, not at this instant. In some countries (READ: Arab countries), you NEED the King/Sultan/Military ruler to keep people from killing each other, until people themselves warm to the idea of democracy and in the next 50-100 years, THEMSELVES stand up and bring democracy. Until then, Saddam et al are necessary evils.

Oh, and on a side--but completely relevant--note, it is great how the Palestinian's right to choose a leader was rewarded by the US. America tells the Palestinians to have elections for decades, and when they do, and choose someone, America says no, cuts off all funds, and pretty much gives Israel the green light to destroy the newly elected leaders and their infrastructure.


[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 5:44 PM. Reason : FUCK YOU]

7/28/2006 5:18:11 PM

did you just quote yourself?

7/28/2006 5:27:17 PM

I think the best way to show respect for the departed would not be to post their names on the internet to start debate.

I would hate to think that my name could be posted on some college message board somewhere if I were to die in war. It shows disrespect for the family. You don't have ownership over the loss, and ten years from now when conflicts come and go and you forgot you ever wrote anything on the net, there will be a group of people with pictures on their living-room mantle crying for the loss of that one person whose name you don't even recall.

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 6:07 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2006 6:06:57 PM

Judging from my new name I'd say chembob needs a nap...

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 6:30 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2006 6:25:55 PM

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"He'd been in the 1st Gulf war as well as Vietnam (needless to say he was an officer now) "

you can do 30 years in the military and never be an officer, or start off as an officer from day 1. the two aren't necessarily correlated.

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"and i have no doubt that your officer buddy gives hefty sums to the Bush camp"

which is his prerogative if he does

and what makes you so sure of that, tim?

(especially in light of the comment you later make about how everyone you know in the military hates President Bush and the Iraq War)

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"This just in: it is impossible to think that somebody who signs their live away can't complain about getting killed AND to be saddened by this fact."

does not compute

Quote :

"haha he got beat so he pulls out the Greek card gg"

haha

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"it is kinda funny the naivete on both sides. the first poster talks about how they fight to give us our opportunity to go to college when the reason the majority of people enlist is b/c they are too poor, stupid or both for college."

you're right about the naivete on both sides.

then you go and make a dumbass statement of your own.

Quote :

"That's THE FUCKING CONCEPT some Americans can't fathom even in the slightest. These cheery nubile idiots think democracy is the way to go in every country. BUT IT IS NOT, not at this instant. In some countries (READ: Arab countries), you NEED the King/Sultan/Military ruler to keep people from killing each other, until people themselves warm to the idea of democracy and in the next 50-100 years, THEMSELVES stand up and bring democracy. Until then, Saddam et al are necessary evils."

I personally don't give a rat's ass whether or not they have a democracy. However, there is middle ground between democracy (or democratic republic, etc) and murderous, internationally threatening dictator.

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"note, it is great how the Palestinian's right to choose a leader was rewarded by the US. America tells the Palestinians to have elections for decades, and when they do, and choose someone, America says no, cuts off all funds, and pretty much gives Israel the green light to destroy the newly elected leaders and their infrastructure."

That's a gross oversimplification. We didn't cut off funding simply because Hamas was elected to a majority (although didn't some other countries do just that?). We cut off funding when they refused to act like reasonable political leaders instead of, well, Hamas (although they still haven't been as bad as I thought they might be).

7/28/2006 6:54:48 PM

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""He'd been in the 1st Gulf war as well as Vietnam (needless to say he was an officer now) " you can do 30 years in the military and never be an officer, or start off as an officer from day 1. the two aren't necessarily correlated."

Yeah, but I only hang out with wealthy people, lol

Just kidding. I guess you are right, but I thought the majority of people who served in 3 conflicts over 30 years would have become an officer in the process. I however, am not in the military, so I misspoke.

7/28/2006 9:02:53 PM

Quote :

"then you go and make a dumbass statement of your own."

i said majority, this number could be 51% and still be true

of course plenty of smart people go to college to be commisioned upon enlistment

but i contend that a larger number of people go to military b/c:

a. they cannot afford college and see military as a way to pay for it, my dad did this so i'm not hating

b. can't get into college and/or know/think they will never make it through college so they go the military as the next best career move

think about it this way, how may valedictorians do you see enlist right out of high school? in your SR yr honors classes in HS, how many of your fellow classmates sais "oh i am going straight to the army after HS?"

i may be completely off base and i have no evidence to back this up, but provide me evidence to the contrary. during the drafts, this was a fact though, if you were in college you had a much higher chance of avoiding the draft. in almost every country in the world it is the case that the lower class form the fighting ranks of the armed forces.

7/28/2006 10:08:36 PM

And what of the intelligent and gifted men and women who choose the military for reasons other than economic necessity?
Many people already wealthy in society, not to mention Ivy League educated, made the choice to serve the country.
Furthermore, others sent their children.

Why did John Kerry choose a more dangerous mission to do river patrol?

Why did Skull and Bones G. H. W. Bush choose to serve, and in so doing narrowly escape an isolated death after his plane crash, saved only by a submarine picking him up?

Why did JFK's older brother die in a bombing raid over London as JFK narrowly escaped his own attack?

Why did Teddy Roosevelt's favored son die in war?

From an empirical perspective, it is mythology to label the military as a cess-pool of the deprived lower classes. Kings and princes died in battle historically, as real fighters. There is no real tangible evidence that all military might is completely polarized in the hands of only the weak and poor.

The middle classes should not flatter themselves that they must be blessed that victimized lower classes do their military bidding.

[Edited on July 28, 2006 at 10:41 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2006 10:34:26 PM

Sometimes I think that Soap Box threads can't get anymore retarded.

Then I read political Lounge threads.

7/28/2006 10:38:03 PM

Quote :

"i said majority"

you guys are reading way too much into my statement

my only point was that while we have an opportunity, many dont. many of these then choose to join the military.

it is not meant to be a disparaging remark.

7/28/2006 11:09:47 PM

Didn't read the thread after the first dickheaded remark.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

I wish you cruel fucks could knock it off time and again.

7/29/2006 1:20:57 AM

me too

7/29/2006 1:34:35 AM

^ I am on the same page as you two.

I also think it's inappropriate to bereave the departed in an internet forum.
It's an impersonal and unfitting medium to attempt to commemorate a life or share sorrow.

I hope my name never appears in a forum next to animals crapping indoors as just another topic du jour if I died in war.

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 2:39 AM. Reason : ]

7/29/2006 2:33:39 AM

for some stupid reason i did read the thread after the first dickhead response, but...

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"Sorry to hear about your loss. I wish you cruel fucks could knock it off time and again."

7/29/2006 2:47:44 AM

Part of the reason that the the American ship of state drifted into Iraq was the left's inability to put together a cognizant argument against Iraq without getting so frothed up that they looked like a Jackass on crack. "I hate Bush / I hate Republicans / I hate [insert noun here]" is not a logical argument. Assuming that the only reason people disagree is stupidity isn't the most sound marketing technique either.

Also, I get tired of hearing the argument "oh so-and-so signed up because they were too poor / dumb / etc. to do anything else." The fact of the matter is that they DID have a choice and chose the military over the comfort of their known world. There are plenty of poor / rural / ghetto areas full of people who chose not to serve.

I imagine Lisa felt the need to in some way ensure that her cousin's sacrifice would not be completely missed by the outside world, and while posting it on TWW might not have been the best idea, to react so crassly in the same thread (no matter what your political opinion) is truly low-bred.

7/29/2006 3:37:59 AM

If anyone in iraq is reading this, id like to thank the soldiers for killing innocent iraqis so my kids can grow up in a world where american is hated and attacked by terrorists from the middle east.

7/29/2006 6:55:40 AM

Wow. I can totally understand people disliking the war, thinking its unjust, and not necessary. I can see almost all criticisms of the war, and at least respect them. But you, Josh#s, are fucking retarded. The isolated incidents where civilians are purposely killed, are tragic indeed, and those soldiers should be tried and punished for their crimes. But to blanket all soldiers that way is absolutely disgusting. And the sad thing is, its soldiers that give you the right to be such an ignorant piece of shit. Don't say "no they don't, all wars have been unjust" because it isn't the wars they've fought that keep you safe, its the wars that never got fought because our military is so strong.

I usually don't mean this kind of thing, but I hope you die before you have the chance to procreate and fuck up more human beings.

7/29/2006 9:15:03 AM

i did yesterday

7 cents on my Jr bacon

7/29/2006 9:18:37 AM

BUSH OUT OF VIETNAM!!!!!!!!!!

7/29/2006 10:30:11 AM

I'm sorry for your loss, but to be honest

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"they're the reason that we all had the opportunity to go to college."

if the govt stopped spending so much money on wars they could've funded my college education

seriously, one less bomb and they can easily buy me a few years at NC State

7/29/2006 10:49:40 AM

^agreed

7/29/2006 10:55:05 AM

This being tdub i thought this was going to be a thread about masterbation.

7/29/2006 11:02:00 AM

^^^ and I completely agree, I was simply trying to say that their choice to serve leaves everyone else with the choice to not serve.

I could make bitchy remarks to everyone who attempted to bitch at me in this tread... especially people who didn't think that this is a way to memorialize a soldier... but I'm not going to, because obviously that wasn't my intention. I simply wanted to ask those who appreciate what our armed forces do for us every day to thank them and not let them think their service goes unsupported. I never once gave my political views in this thread, nor did I care to hear yours. I never once said Go Bush/Die Bush. I may be republican, I may not be. The point is (like someone mentioned for me) it doesn't take a rewarded event to make someone a hero to me. My cousin was by far a hero simply because he was a soldier. Whether or not he wanted to be at war, he grew up to be a truly admirable man while he was in the military. Whether or not people on here agree with me, I will hug every person that served with him on this tour when they return and thank them.

End of story.

PS: Thank you to everyone else for your heartfelt condolences in PM's and in this topic.

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2006 12:20:38 PM

Just saw this...I lost a friend the past couple of days over there. I feel for you, too.

7/29/2006 2:16:57 PM

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"And the sad thing is, its soldiers that give you the right to be such an ignorant piece of shit."

How are the soldiers in iraq protecting my right for free speech?

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"But to blanket all soldiers that way is absolutely disgusting."

then why are you doing it? i thought you would support our troops. i just want to know why you want our troops to die? do you hate them?



[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : 23fsdf]

7/29/2006 2:26:30 PM