Guys, that was in the European district. The moped was obviously on the wrong side of the road.

6/5/2013 2:15:10 PM

nothing to see here, folks

6/5/2013 2:21:15 PM

During the early morning hours today, two Raleigh Police Department officers were performing traffic enforcement duties in the vicinity of Skycrest Drive. One officer, D.L. Riley, was located west of Brentwood Road, while the other officer, J.H. Crews, was east of Brentwood Road. The officers were working independently of one another.

Shortly after 3 a.m., both officers observed vehicles they determined should be stopped.

Officer Riley saw an eastbound motor scooter that he believed had a malfunctioning headlamp and entered Skycrest Drive intending to catch up with the scooter to conduct a traffic stop. He did not initiate a pursuit of the motor scooter.

At approximately the same time, using speed detection equipment, Officer Crews clocked a westbound motorist traveling at 55 miles per hour, in excess of the posted speed limit. He entered Skycrest Drive attempting to catch up with the vehicle to conduct a traffic stop. Officer Crews had not initiated a pursuit of the vehicle and had not yet caught up with it.

Shortly after it crossed Brentwood Road, the eastbound motor scooter veered left of the centerline and collided with the RPD vehicle driven by Officer Crews. At the time of the collision, Officer Riley had not yet attempted to stop the motor scooter.

Officer Crews sustained minor injuries as a result of the crash. Those injuries were treated at the scene by EMS personnel.

6/5/2013 2:37:58 PM

I'm going to need some diagrams here

6/5/2013 2:43:46 PM

yeah, that's not doing much for my imagination

6/5/2013 2:48:27 PM

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"Raleigh Cop Driving Wrong Way Kills Two"

Good. Fuck cops

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6/5/2013 2:51:51 PM

skid marks clearly start in the correct lane.

6/5/2013 2:54:19 PM

It seems the moped rammed the cop.

Sorry I called you a shithead smath but you're still a shithead.

6/5/2013 2:54:46 PM

That's just, like, your opinion man.

6/5/2013 2:56:27 PM

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"skid marks clearly start in the correct lane."

That picture is still missing the almighty important point of impact ....

6/5/2013 3:12:41 PM

He sure skidded hundreds of feet for a car "not involved in a pursuit".

Cops shouldn't be driving without a partner; there are simply too many distractions and it's much too dangerous in general for them to be alone. It's too much to expect of anyone.

It almost sounds like the scooter was trying to pull out of the way of the first cruiser when the second one hit him, or maybe just turned around to see why the cop was following him and drifted. Very strange and it's safe to assume both dashcams were damaged.

LOL at the mirror-reversed image, btw.

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6/5/2013 4:07:48 PM

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" Good. Fuck cops"

Yea fuck them. Until you're in trouble and they are the first people you call

6/5/2013 4:13:43 PM

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"He sure skidded hundreds of feet for a car "not involved in a pursuit"."

That was my first impression as well. What are the odds of a dashcam video surfacing on this one?

Is that a skid mark?

[Edited on June 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM. Reason : l]

6/5/2013 4:15:52 PM

smc needs to show us on the doll where the mean, bad police officers abused him years ago

For fucks sake, you know jack shit about what actually happened. But please continue to rant and rave about how shitty they all are at their jobs. It's refreshing to know we have such a knowledgeable law enforcement expert present on this forum to educate us.

6/5/2013 4:30:59 PM

He's a bitch basically

6/5/2013 4:53:45 PM

He's a bitchtroll basically

6/5/2013 4:58:24 PM

Ultraspank, are you quoting, or did you write that post?

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"He entered Skycrest Drive attempting to catch up with the vehicle to conduct a traffic stop. Officer Crews had not initiated a pursuit of the vehicle and had not yet caught up with it. Shortly after it crossed Brentwood Road, the eastbound motor scooter veered left of the centerline and collided with the RPD vehicle driven by Officer Crews. At the time of the collision, Officer Riley had not yet attempted to stop the motor scooter. "

So I'm guessing that "pursuit" isn't "initiated" until lights and sirens?

So did Crews catch up to the scooter before or after impact?

6/5/2013 5:24:07 PM

Fuck the police

6/5/2013 5:24:30 PM

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"smc needs to show us on the doll where the mean, bad police officers abused him years ago For fucks sake, you know jack shit about what actually happened. But please continue to rant and rave about how shitty they all are at their jobs. It's refreshing to know we have such a knowledgeable law enforcement expert present on this forum to educate us."

Successful troll is successful.

Try ignoring him for a change.

6/5/2013 5:28:34 PM

I've been ignoring him lately and it's working out great.

6/5/2013 5:45:47 PM

I've just been ignoring TWW and it's working out great

6/5/2013 5:47:54 PM

You can't ignore us! We'll ignore you!

6/5/2013 5:49:25 PM

I'm muting you o<[]:^)

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6/5/2013 5:52:32 PM

Krallum is a lovely person whose wit is as sharp as the day is long.

6/5/2013 5:57:29 PM

downvoted

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6/5/2013 5:58:38 PM

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"He entered Skycrest Drive attempting to catch up with the vehicle to conduct a traffic stop. Officer Crews had not initiated a pursuit of the vehicle and had not yet caught up with it. "

Yet according to the report he was going 77 miles per hour in a 35 mph zone. Pretty fast for not having initiated pursuit.
This image makes it pretty clear what happened: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/05/2940323/police-car-crash-closes-section.html
Scenario 1:
Cop comes flying over blind hill and loses control of vehicle and slides into other lane (4 sets of skid marks at start of accident indicate car was not travelling in straight line also the fact that the marks go off the side of the road both seem to strongly indicate this). After losing control strikes moped in other lane.
or
Scenario 2:
Cop comes flying over the hill and slams into the back of a moped. Either way cop was flying over a blind hill doing over 40 mph above the speed limit.

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"You major crash reconstruction experts should be raking in fat cash if you can complete your investigation based off of a cropped arial photo from a news helicopter. Not supporting either side. But how about you STFU until the actual story/truth is out."

because that won't be sanitized at all will it

[Edited on June 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM. Reason : sadf]

6/5/2013 6:00:27 PM

pretty sure they're just gonna sprinkle some crack on them and call it a day

open and shut case johnson

6/5/2013 6:05:08 PM

so why is the news reporting that the moped crossed over the center line?

I'm confused

6/5/2013 6:09:20 PM

Given that the 2 people who were driving the moped are dead there is a strong likelihood that there really aren't any witnesses so who really knows what the moped did. It being in the wrong lane certainly removes some level of culpability for the driver (likely the only witness)...

6/5/2013 6:16:50 PM

gonna jump on the spaceship for a bit, but local authorities investigating local authorities has not reached an unbiased conclusion since the dawn of time


Here is the uncropped photo



LOOK AT ALL THAT FUCKING EVIDENCE

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6/5/2013 6:17:28 PM

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"(4 sets of skid marks at start of accident indicate car was not travelling in straight line also the fact that the marks go off the side of the road both seem to strongly indicate this)"

You determined the POI from that photo?

6/5/2013 6:21:07 PM

I am assuming that where the skid marks started were the beginning of the ACCIDENT (the start of events that led to the impact) The POI isn't abundantly clear from that image which is why I offered two scenarios...

6/5/2013 6:24:09 PM

"Hey, Ted!"

"What is it, ole buddy?"

"I'm gonna investigate you!"

"LOL"

"No seriously I already discovered it wasn't your fault"

"GG"

6/5/2013 6:39:26 PM

Please tell me someone has already filed for the dashcam footage.

6/5/2013 7:21:24 PM

What good would that do?

We need the cop on the computer while driving cam

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6/5/2013 7:22:49 PM

The cop needs to be held responsible to some degree for going that fast without lights or sirens on. The accident might have been totally avoided if the scooter rider had seen or heard the cop coming. 77 mph is way too fucking fast in a hilly 35 zone anyway, I don't care if you're trying to catch a speeder. If you have to drive over twice the limit to catch them you call a helicopter or another unit and back off.

6/5/2013 7:38:55 PM

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"If you have to drive over twice the limit to catch them you call a helicopter or another unit and back off."

Cop A is sitting stationary on the side of the road running radar. Speeder B is driving 50 MPH and passes Cop A. It takes Cop A 10 seconds to put his car into gear, leave the shoulder and enter the highway. If Speeder B is traveling at constant speed of 50 MPH, how long will it take Cop A to catch the Speeder B if he must also travels at 50 MPH?

6/5/2013 7:52:12 PM

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"Ultraspank, are you quoting, or did you write that post?"

That was the press release from RPD to Public as of this morning...

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"Yet according to the report he was going 77 miles per hour in a 35 mph zone. Pretty fast for not having initiated pursuit. This image makes it pretty clear what happened: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/05/2940323/police-car-crash-closes-section.html Scenario 1: Cop comes flying over blind hill and loses control of vehicle and slides into other lane (4 sets of skid marks at start of accident indicate car was not travelling in straight line also the fact that the marks go off the side of the road both seem to strongly indicate this). After losing control strikes moped in other lane. or Scenario 2: Cop comes flying over the hill and slams into the back of a moped. Either way cop was flying over a blind hill doing over 40 mph above the speed limit. "

The photo on there does help clear up everything, but you obviously know nothing about what you're talking about. Do you see all of the debris near the beginning and even before the skid? The POI happened before the skid happened almost for certain just by looking at the pictures. Do you think cars start to break apart and tear to pieces when they enter a skid?

If you read the press release and look at the photo it's pretty cut and dry. The police car was attempting to catch up to a speeder. During which time it crested the hill where it met the moped head on in HIS lane of travel. At the point of impact with the moped it's safe to assume the officer slammed on his brakes and attempted to avoid the moped and over-corrected etc. The moped was not hit from behind, it was not hit in it's own lane of travel.

Also: 77 MPH is fast and depending on conditions probably should not have been drove on this road due to the hill and driving faster than your visibility. But, if the officer was running stationary radar, and a vehicle passes it at 55 mph, the officer has to accelerate faster than 55 mph to catch up and close that gap.

6/5/2013 7:56:54 PM

^^True. But 77 in a 35 is pushing the limit of reasonable leeway most people would give.

I hadn't even entertained the possibility that he might have rear-ended the scooter with sufficient speed to still do that kind of damage. The dashcam should clear it all up...

Very sad indeed.

[Edited on June 5, 2013 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

6/5/2013 7:58:16 PM

^^^ You forgot Bullet C, which can travel at 750 mph.

[Edited on June 5, 2013 at 7:58 PM. Reason : ]

6/5/2013 7:58:24 PM

http://www.wral.com/two-killed-in-collision-with-raleigh-police-cruiser/12517210/

6/5/2013 8:02:46 PM

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"^^True. But 77 in a 35 is pushing the limit of reasonable leeway most people would give. I hadn't even entertained the possibility that he might have rear-ended the scooter with sufficient speed to still do that kind of damage. The dashcam should clear it all up... Very sad indeed. "

Both police vehicle had dash cams, as well as every other police vehicle that responded to this wreck.

This is obviously sad, and very unfortunate. But the cop doing his job attempting to catch up to a speeder doesn't have much chance at any speed coming over a hill head on in to a moped at 3AM with NO HEADLIGHT.

6/5/2013 8:04:08 PM

Vehicular homicide until I see a dash cam.

6/5/2013 8:06:59 PM

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"Vehicular homicide until I see a dash cam."

because you know the elements of that crime?

fuck it, lets charge him with kidnapping too.

6/5/2013 8:10:38 PM

He kidnapped their lives

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6/5/2013 8:10:58 PM

^ OH, snap!

But seriously, is there no innocence until proven guilty in this thread?

6/5/2013 8:18:12 PM

that sort of doesn't work with cops. they're pretty much immune to the law unfortunately. So, personally, I assume guilt, six drinking buddies with the judge disagree, charges are dropped/paid vacations are handed out, we keep moving.

6/5/2013 8:25:55 PM

New update, scooter was stolen.

Everything changes...

6/5/2013 8:32:45 PM

I imagine I'd be posting bail and searching for a lawyer if I ran over a scooter going 77 in a 35 zone regardless of which direction he was traveling or which lane he was in. Sounds like the operator of both vehicles have fault in this situation to me.

6/5/2013 9:01:03 PM

Set RPD up

6/5/2013 9:19:06 PM