the knicks are trying to get Franchise

now, franchise is (or at least used to be before he was traded) my favorite player

but wow

just what the knicks need, another shoot first guard

gg isiah

2/14/2006 9:08:43 PM

yea he has no idea what he's doing

2/14/2006 9:11:50 PM

imagine that backcourt, Marbury and Francis, put Iverson to shame.

2/14/2006 9:12:18 PM

imagine the egos clashing

2/14/2006 9:12:52 PM

the knicks salary cap hole is going to be worse than the national deficit by the time he's done

2/14/2006 9:13:17 PM

and they're still gonna win ~30 games a year.

2/14/2006 9:16:10 PM

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"imagine that backcourt, Marbury and Francis, put Iverson to shame. "

riiight, would last ten games tops

2/14/2006 9:17:21 PM

if the knicks could get ron artest they could start a gang

2/15/2006 10:39:16 AM

hey don't hate on isiah!

2/15/2006 10:54:11 AM

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"if the knicks could get ron artest they could start a gang "

I hear he's trying to get some serbs on the team to start a new section of MS-13

2/15/2006 10:55:59 AM

HE HAS TO BE THE WORST GM IN THE BIZ

2/15/2006 11:17:58 AM

Isiah is the worst General Manager of all time. (crippled the Knicks for the forseeable future)


Isiah is the worst head coach of the decade. (got nothing out of some talented Indiana teams)


Isiah is one of the worst owners of all time. (bankrupted the CBA in a flash)


Why would you employ this guy for anything? Because he smiles?

Quote :

" The Bobcats have 13 wins and the Knicks have 14 wins. According to hoopshype.com, Charlotte's 2005-06 payroll is $33.4 million, while New York's payroll is $125.9 million. Not including team options on younger players, Charlotte has $21.8 million in guaranteed salaries committed for 2007; $14.2 million committed in 2008; and $0.0 million in 2009. New York's guaranteed money looks like this: $110.3 million (2007); $49 million (2008); and $45 million (2009). Also, the Bobcats kept all their first-round picks through the decade, while New York gives Chicago its 2006 lottery pick and switches first-rounders with the Bulls in 2007 (with the Knicks getting the lower pick). To recap: For that one extra win, the Knicks spent four times as much money, killed their cap flexibility through 2009 and gave away any chance of having a top-five pick in the next two years. On the bright side, Eddy Curry has gained enough weight this season that he might start wearing jackets to cover his rear end during games, kinda like how Oprah dresses when she's in the middle of one of her eating binges. So that will be fun. (God bless the Isiah Era. We'll be talking about this for decades. I really believe that.)"

[Edited on February 15, 2006 at 11:21 AM. Reason : a]

2/15/2006 11:20:34 AM

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"On the bright side, Eddy Curry has gained enough weight this season that he might start wearing jackets to cover his rear end during games, kinda like how Oprah dresses when she's in the middle of one of her eating binges. So that will be fun."

Ha ha that is hilarious. Isiah Thomas is more overrated than Larry Brown.

2/15/2006 11:45:37 AM

Overrated? He has been the laughingstock of the NBA for almost a decade now...


He's HORRIBLE....


Look at the people he's acquired... Jerome James, Quentin RIchardson, Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford... there's a reason no one wanted these guys...

Then he just gives guys like Nazr Mohammed & Kurt Thomas away...

He also has a knack for ridding himself of expiring contracts and draft picks.

Seriously, how hard is it to watch a basketball player for 30 minutes and figure out if he's good or if he sucks?

I could do a better job than 50% of NBA GM's without a doubt, but even my mother could do better than Isiah.

2/15/2006 11:57:32 AM

I HONESTLY THINK LARRY BROWN IS NOT OVERRATED....HE WILL WIN.....HE DOESN'T LIKE THIS TEAM AT ALL...HE IS BUYING HIS CHANCE TO GET MORE CONTROL OF THE TEAM.....THE MORE IT FAILS NOW THE BETTER CHANCE OF HIM GAINING MORE CONTROL IN THE FUTURE

2/15/2006 11:58:10 AM

gg Bill Simmons

2/15/2006 12:04:59 PM

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"imagine that backcourt, Marbury and Francis"

that would be atrocious. It's good to have guards that pass

2/15/2006 2:10:26 PM

i think rwoody might be the ONLY person referring to steve francis as the franchise

considering franchises dont get trade

2/15/2006 2:12:05 PM

i'm pretty sure espn's front page said 'new york wants steve franchise' yesterday

but yea, that is his nickname and he is my boy

unfortunately he is a fuckup

but on nba live he is averaging 60 ppg and a trip dub w/ ast and stls

2/15/2006 2:14:05 PM

"Stevie Franchise"?


How about "Stevie Lottery pick"?


As in, if this guys in your backcourt, you're getting a lottery pick.

2/15/2006 7:51:05 PM

I concur

2/15/2006 8:30:23 PM

it happened

fancIS (ok?) for hardaway and ariza

so the knicks trade hardaway's 15 mil contract that expires after this season for francis' three year 49 mil contract


gg isiah

2/22/2006 5:13:31 PM

yea, financially it was a smart move

but think will gain them like 10 more wins

I dont see him and Starbury sharing the ball well

heres to me being wrong, tho

2/22/2006 5:23:26 PM

actually i think it was a bad move financially and strategiaclly

they would have had penny's contract gone but instead they have francis' for two more years

2/22/2006 5:29:00 PM

Francis will come around and produce, hopefully

at the very least he'll be trade bait for later

So i would say in the long run, Knicks win out

we'll see

2/22/2006 5:33:39 PM

Now the Knicks have another shoot-first guard. Another guy who puts up great stats while his team loses.

Isaiah is an idiot.

2/22/2006 5:48:17 PM

i'd rather have cap room than francis as trade bait. and the thing is, ariza isn't that bad. funny stuff, thomas is definitely the worst GM ever. i mean, i could see picking up a big man equally as talented as francis to add to this team, but why the hell get another shooting guard when you have marbury, crawford, quentin, etc etc etc etc?

[Edited on February 22, 2006 at 7:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2006 7:05:32 PM

Quote :

"Pippen on Francis Deal I am pretty much befuddled with what New York has done. I am not a great fan of Steve Francis. He rubbed me the wrong way when he came into the league and demanded that Vancouver trade him. He just isn't the type of player that can make your team better or that can get you where you are trying to get to. He is very talented, but his skills are built around his individual success and not around the success of a team. Any time you take on such a brilliant nickname as "Franchise," that name has to have some validity behind it and I don't think he has shown that he is a franchise player. It is not going to work for him even moving to New York. This is another in a long list of desperate moves for the Knicks, going back to the Eddy Curry deal. Eddy Curry's success coming to New York has been about as good as my success coming back to Chicago when my career was pretty much done. He hasn't made any impact on that team, which, I am sure for John Paxson, is the best thing to happen. He just let his No. 1 draft pick go and got another one back. It was a good wash for them, because they didn't lose that draft pick. They sort of gambled on it, played with it, let it go, but then they got it back. Isiah has brought in players on top of players. He isn't giving one player an opportunity to succeed. You have Stephon Marbury there. Then you bring in Jamal Crawford. Now Steve Francis. What are you going to do with these guys? These are three guys that love to pound the basketball and create their own shots. Who is going to succeed at that position? To me it seems like they have just told Isiah to just go out there and continue to see if we can have the highest payroll. I don't see any chemistry with New York. I don't see that trade helping the Knicks in any way and as for Orlando, they have written this season off and are preparing themselves to continue rebuilding their young team. They want to get guys in there that can in the next three or four years be part of what they have been able to establish. It is going to be the same type of situation. A lot of it has to do with the individual players. Players in today's game are not geared for winning. They aren't geared for a team concept. They're basically trying to get into the game and they have no knowledge as to what the game is really about."

2/22/2006 8:38:08 PM

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"Eddy Curry's success coming to New York has been about as good as my success coming back to Chicago"

I like Pippen, but that made me LAFF

2/22/2006 8:45:54 PM

"lets trade our cap relief and cheap potential talent away for a player we already have 2 of who will cost us lots of money for years! its sure to work!"

2/22/2006 8:47:23 PM

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"MC Hammer, even in his prime, was more fiscally conservative than Isiah"

Hahaha

2/24/2006 9:02:10 AM

I still like the NBA. However, being a Knicks fan since the time I moved to NC (I moved the day of Game 2 of the '99 Finals) has turned me off to it. I can't stand to watch Dolan and Isiah run the team into the ground anymore. It's so frustrating.

They need to learn from what the Rangers did and follow suit.. I still can't believe a Dolan team is actually going with hard working, lower paid players like the Rangers are. I know it's not that easy but I think the Knicks can at the very least take a bit from what their arena-mates are doing..

[Edited on February 24, 2006 at 9:12 AM. Reason : oh I've been a Knicks fan forever but since '99 it's sucked.. just to be clear..]

2/24/2006 9:10:17 AM

Man, they've given up all their cap space and draft picks for the next 3-5 years.... that franchise is fucked.

If i were you I'd pick a surrogate team and if anyone wants to give you hell for it tell them to die.

Their is no law of fandom that states you must root for a team that is intentionally trying to build a loser.

2/24/2006 9:12:33 AM

great article by sports guy if anyone missed this it is a must read

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060224

2/24/2006 5:50:02 PM

i glanced at the game tonight and they said nate robinson was inactive and they were speculating that it was b/c, w/ francis around, there isnt enough pt to go around now

and he seemed promising now he might rot on the bench the rest of the year


that is some bullshit

2/24/2006 10:14:25 PM

isn't there some way the fans can drive him out?

I mean they must see this guy is killing their team more then any coach they've fired

2/25/2006 2:26:14 AM

^^^ okay i dont know how i missed that... that is great

2/25/2006 9:27:29 AM