http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8047087636458478893&q=kirk+cameron+evolution

I mean, I LOL'd. Maybe some of you will enjoy it too.

2/17/2006 12:28:08 AM

you know people don't have a good position when they start attacking the wording and language and not the real position

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 12:32 AM. Reason : and weighted questions]

2/17/2006 12:31:58 AM

This video hurts my fucking brain, but it's hilarious.

2/17/2006 12:32:50 AM

these kids on the street are the experts, i agree.

i dont plan on watching this whole thing but im waiting for someone to answer "yes, that is exactly what happened." and then the interviewer asking for proof...thus debunking his own theory as well.


[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 12:40 AM. Reason : i mean who the fuck watches this and thinks how clever it is?]

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 12:43 AM. Reason : omgz this ape doesnt have table manners!!!! how can this be!!!!]

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 12:46 AM. Reason : "true science, even common sense, supports the bible" - good point kirk]

2/17/2006 12:38:17 AM

It would be funnier if people didn't actually base their beliefs on that kind of thing.

2/17/2006 1:01:26 AM

well, I just watched the first bit of it and it looks like they are pointing out how people believe in evolution without thinking about it for themselves.


hahaha,

I just watched the part where they called the airlines, what the hell?

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 1:06 AM. Reason : hahah]

2/17/2006 1:02:20 AM

By the by, Kirk Cameron's current TV show is HIGHLARIOUS. I absolutely recommend it.

2/17/2006 1:02:46 AM

I have to admit, Darwin was right about how bad women are at using their tiny brains.



[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 1:14 AM. Reason : just kidding lllladies]

2/17/2006 1:10:31 AM

http://thor.ytmnd.com/

2/17/2006 1:33:27 AM

Quote :

"Circumnavigate the intellect... the subject of evolution... seems to dissapear."

2/17/2006 2:21:03 AM

the best quote from that:

"[this book] will show you that the theory of evolution is based on pure faith."

yeah.. and religion is based on... what? fact?

2/17/2006 2:55:49 AM

That video is not so much hilarious as it is frustrating and sad that people will watch it and actually believe their arguments. I only saw the first 6 minutes or so, but there was ample material just there to discredit the entire video. It is built on false pretenses and arguments. People who view this who don't have science backgrounds, or simple critical thinking skills for that matter, cannot see through the fallacies, then they walk around with a chip on their shoulder thinking they've one-upped "the evolutionists" and are beating them at their own game of proving/dis-proving how the world works.

The points from the first 5 minutes that I can still remember
- when he brought up the "they take it on faith" thing, I honestly was confused. I did not fully grasp that they were actually using that argument against scientists. It takes some big balls to stand there and say that scientists, who's job is to investigate and prove how things work, rely on faith, where their own entire position is based on faith and faith alone.
- They just love mixing up the concepts of the Big Bang and how the universe was created and "evolved", if you will, and the Theory of Evolution, of how life was created and evolved on earth. The two are completely unrelated, except for the fact that at some point the planet had to be in a state to support the appearance of life. I seriously doubt most biologists or geneticists know or care about how the universe was formed, nor do relative physicists sit around and wonder about the structure of DNA and how it mutates.
- The "experts" they asked appeared to be normal people on the street with above average knowledge of biology, but certainly far from expert knowledge. If any of them had been experts, they would have immediately spotted the red herring question of "do you believe that humans evolved from apes?" An expert would have immediately said that is a false question and the Theory of Evolution makes no such claim anyway - we came from a common ancestor that is long extinct and probably doesn't exactly resemble anything living today.

Shit, i'm going to stop wasting my time on pointing out the obvious that 90% of you have hopefully picked out on your own….

2/17/2006 6:35:16 AM

sounds like the kids are annoyed and just want the questions to stop

too bad they didn't ask me these questions... of course, then they wouldn't have put me on their video i wonder how some of the interviews went that they didn't want to show

2/17/2006 6:47:02 AM

wow i dont know how much of this i can watch. their points are stupid...apes are my relative so they should be able to fly in the plane's cabin...

2/17/2006 7:12:28 AM

hahahha

"what caused the big bang?"

"probably an asteroid from another planet who'd had the same thing happen to it..."

jesus

but yeah this is great - the old "ask people on the street randomly to prove that people who believe in this are stupid" tactic

AND IT HAD LUNGS AND GILLS, YOU FUCKING IMBECILES

2/17/2006 7:31:27 AM

at the end, when they try to make the stupid analogy about the parachute on the airplane, he said that to tell him, he basically said that he had to strike fear in the other person to get them to read the manual, and that's how you tell people about the word of god. that made me lol

2/17/2006 7:34:04 AM

HOLY SHIT

THE CHIMP CAN'T RIDE ON A PLANE AND HE CAN'T EAT A SALAD!!!11 THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAME FROM THAT! AND HE CAN AMKE THE SAME FACES I CAN, BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE EVOLVED FROM THEM?

i want to punch mike seiver in the face

2/17/2006 7:41:46 AM

Neanderthals had arthritis.

2/17/2006 8:16:37 AM

Quote :

"true science, even common sense, supports the bible"

2/17/2006 9:21:59 AM

i'm watching it now, awesome

2/17/2006 9:59:33 AM

what people of faith need to learn

IS TO LET THIS SHIT GO

you're really really wrong on this one

just stick with the shit that no one can touch

like divine salvation or some shit like that

2/17/2006 10:01:11 AM

show me that smile...ooh, show me that smile

2/17/2006 10:03:59 AM

I'm not a christian by any means but I don't hear of too much evidence of evolution either.

So until then, intelligent design it is. It doesn't really make sense, but there's nothing else to go on..

2/17/2006 11:17:18 AM

wtf? is that a joke?

2/17/2006 11:25:07 AM

^^ gg

2/17/2006 11:41:42 AM

Quote :

"I don't hear of too much evidence of evolution either."

uhh, probably because you're not looking. It's not like it gets the headlines of USA Today everytime some biologist makes an evolution discovery.

2/17/2006 12:22:02 PM

goddamit Mike Seaver, that was horrible. That was some of the worst logic and arguing ever.

2/17/2006 12:45:51 PM

Quote :

"the orangatang, when fed salad, got it everywhere, because it's an untrained beast"

ever watch a goddamn human baby eat? it's like a tornado went through the kitchen, not to mention the fact that hte baby is untrained as well

this is absolutely pathetic, i hope even you religious idio...er people don't give this shit credit

i also like how religious people can't grasp the idea of the universe being here for all of "time," yet they have no problem with god being here for all of "time," and no i didn't capitalize god, fuck that shit

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 2:10 PM. Reason : after watching that i want to shove a spoon in my eye]

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 2:13 PM. Reason : head fuck hurt]

2/17/2006 2:08:39 PM

i can't eat spaghetti without getting a few little spots of sauce somewhere on my shirt
damn spaghetti

2/17/2006 2:10:56 PM

i bet mathman watched the video and was like, "where's the funny?"

2/17/2006 2:13:02 PM

ooh...the evidence bible tells how "the theory of evolution is based on blind faith."

i'm glad religion isn't based on faith or anything

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 3:05 PM. Reason : haha...i see i'm not the first person to pick on on that comment]

2/17/2006 3:00:42 PM

BUT THERE ARE PASSAGES

WITH NAMES

AND NUMBERS

WITH COLONS

2/17/2006 3:05:10 PM

not to mention, in the first 2 minutes, they got the entire Big Bang completely wrong.
he says "there was no creator, no space, no energy, no matter. there was nothing. and there was this big bang, and out came the sea and the land."

umm, no, actually, there was everything - all the universe's energy and matter all in one place, in a singularity. Energy was converted to matter, but nothing was created or destroyed. The universe's sum total of energy + matter was the same before and after the big bang.

g-damn. i need to stop watching this...

2/17/2006 3:12:52 PM

i wonder how much they were pissed off when the guy w/bird said that nature was god.

2/17/2006 3:17:14 PM

i could actually feel myself getting dumber while watching that

2/17/2006 3:17:31 PM

^^^ exactly.

2/17/2006 3:21:34 PM

oh, awesome - i just saw the part on the "common designer" who used "similar blueprints" to create man and ape. I was almost rooting for them there, they were just one word off. "Common ancestor" Kirk, not "common designer". ooohhhh, so close.

and the airplane example is nice too. "Did a 747 'evolve' from a bi-plane? No, of course not. They just had similar blueprints." Besides the obvious absurdity of comparing genetic evolution to frickin' airplanes, actually, yes - the 747 did "evolve" from the bi-plane. If I recall, the Wright Brother's airplane was, in fact, a bi-plane. It was also the first airplane to fly. Seeing as all subsequent airplane were based on the original's principles, and the 747 came along some 60 years later, then yes, you just witnessed the evolution of the airplane in less than 100 years.

2/17/2006 3:26:58 PM

congrats - they did get one thing right.
"This isn't because [the ape] is a prehistoric man who is less evolved than us. But it's because he's another species"
Ding ding ding! we have a winner


whoops, they inadvertantly stumbled upon Truth #2 in the last minute.
"Go to wayofthemaster.com, and get ahold of The Evidence Bible. It's packed full of tools."
yep, not gonna argue with that one

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2006 3:34:18 PM

I'm convinced

2/17/2006 5:44:25 PM

so this is suppost to make people believe what?

the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

2/17/2006 5:52:48 PM

That God created the world in seven days as described in the Bible, you evolutionist.

2/17/2006 5:57:16 PM

well, this proves one thing at least

most people are profoundly ignorant about anything relating to science

---

Nothing to support evolution, eh. Run that by your doctor the next time you need to treat any form of bacterial or viral infection.

Oh, and if you dispute human evolution, I'd like to hear your thoughts on your not-so-distant cousin the homo sapien idaltu:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0611_030611_earliesthuman.html

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 6:00 PM. Reason : ...]

2/17/2006 5:57:21 PM

He just had really bad arthritis

2/17/2006 6:02:58 PM

WTF happened to Mike Seaver? Really went off the deep end since that Left Behind B-flick.

This video stopped being hilarious about half way through and just started pissing me off.

2/17/2006 7:09:34 PM

i was pissed from the get go

in the words of colbert and many others im sure..."why cant we just beleive in intelligent design? it's so much easier."

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 7:41 PM. Reason : in the words of colbert and many others im sure..."why cant we just beleive in intelligent design, i]

2/17/2006 7:38:40 PM

Okay, out of sheer morbid curiosity I went to http://www.thewayofthemaster.com and watched one of their other episodes that described in detail how to try to convert someone by usage of guilt. The tactic seems hypocritical. Also, it doesn't help that they only put in the interviews that were with morons.

2/17/2006 8:10:38 PM

well...when non-believers go to hell and believers go to heaven, and evolutionists have nothing happen, we'll all have the answer. till then...lets agree to disagree.

one point is clear though...nobody knows how all this shit got started...so we're all as stupid on this subject as the next person.

/thread

2/17/2006 8:38:33 PM

Proof of theory...

Take glass pitcher... fill it with water... now toss in a hand full of dirt, perferably black soil... watch what happens. DO NOT STIR. Just toss a small handful in.

Now imagine there was no gravity... imagine that everything spread out... did you notice just from what happened in the water that things began to collect together?

This is something that kindergardeners learn about.

Now imagine 100,000,000 years... every single element you can imagine... heat, water all available. Now imagine BILLIONS of years... because that's how long it took for your universe to form. In all that time... in ALL the matter in the universe (Ie... we are like 1.0x10-1000000000) of the known universe in size. That's like .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % (rounded up a few million spots).

Don't you think... that life could happen? Add in hundreds of millions of years... don't you think... life might occur... that could develop itself over long periods of time? Slow changes? Can you concede it's possibility? Wouldn't that make more sense... based on what we KNOW to be true today with 100% sureness... than an omnipotent being(s) creating this?

I'm not against some ultimate thing... creating the big bang... but EVERYTHING we know scientifically... EVERYTHING we base our sciences on (those which are reproducable) points to a big bang.

Science works by observation and making hypothesis and then proving it within an accepted mean. Meaning that we can reproduce it. Sometimes we can't prove what we "think" is happening but we can predict what happens. Take Chemistry for example... we couldn't "see" the electrons... or the protons and neutrons until VERY recently... but we knew they were there and science progressed. We recognized the behaviour and science progressed.

Religion... whether it be Intelligent Design or another... bases it's core most principles on unreproducable, unverifyable, ... hell the core most principle IS an assumption.

Every single religious person I've met... who fought me... did one of the following. Check yourself if you're religious to see if you've done this.

1) Got frustrated and threw up their hands and said some relgious dogma like (you're going to hell, you have to have an experience to understand, etc)

2) Stopped talking to me cold as I "offended them" by destroying their core beliefs

3) Actually said... holy crap you're right.

I'm not talking evolution here... it has holes sure... but it's sure more believable than ID. I'm talking Creation... I'm talking versus from the bible being conflicting and inaccurate.

The reason society as a whole rejects religion is because it is ALL based off assumption. Science... evolution in particular... is NOT.

Religion... is like "Hey this is how it is... I know it's true because a friend told me".

Science... is like "Hey this is how it is... let me SHOW YOU. Let me prove it to you.".

Game set match.


[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 8:44 PM. Reason : SPELLING IS KING!]]

2/17/2006 8:41:42 PM

I AINT NO MONKEY IF THATS WHAT YER SAYIN BOY.

2/17/2006 8:47:12 PM

^^ wasted time. its common sense. most people already knew that.



[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 8:48 PM. Reason : carrot]

2/17/2006 8:47:21 PM