rofl...

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"TGD: most incompetent motherfuckers -- evar..."

http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/460880.html

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"Published: Jul 15, 2006 12:30 AM Modified: Jul 15, 2006 06:07 AM Cary council's Joyce resigns He objected to use of taxpayer funds CARY - Councilman Mike Joyce said Friday that he will resign rather than continue to work in a town hall willing to donate $5,000 to a Hispanic cultural group behind an annual Latin music show. His resignation will mean the town council will lose its only blue-collar councilman. Joyce, a 46-year-old Nashua, N.H., native and a plumber, spent more than eight years trying to get the council job. Joyce said his decision was influenced in part by the debate over illegal immigrants now bubbling through the state and the country. He complained that Diamante Inc., the organizer of the Ritmo Latino festival, honored a person who has publicly opposed a crackdown on illegal immigrants. "This organization was supporting people with our money that I find to be a detriment to America," he said. Joyce, a blunt man who often touted his disdain for bureaucracy, never did fit in at Cary's genteel town hall -- even when he dressed in suits and put on makeup before council meetings to keep his face from shining in the bright TV lights. After 2 1/2 years on the council, he found himself so isolated June 22 that he could not get another council member to back his proposal to cut off Diamante. He said the stony silence of his colleagues helped him realize that he could do more good teaching plumbers than attending Town Council meetings. "I have to look at where Mike Joyce will be most effective helping people over the next year and a half," he said. His resignation will not become official until he notifies the town in writing. He said he will send in his resignation letter next week. Joyce positioned himself as a common man's representative who would trim government spending and stomp out silly regulations. "He has a very simple view of government," Cary councilman Jack Smith said. "It's all very black and white. It's all basic services, no more, no less." Outside of town hall, Joyce charmed some of his political opponents by engaging in jovial verbal jousting. "Generally, Mike and I would disagree about plenty of things," Cary councilman Nels Roseland said. "But it never got personal." Still, Joyce remained the council's primary dissenter, who often found himself on the losing side of 6-1 votes. He said his biggest successes included helping to organize efforts to get residents more involved in the town budget review, create a program that helps the needy pay their water bills and get a police dog for Cary. This summer, he made cutting Diamante out of the budget one of his top priorities. He pored through lists of the people the Cary nonprofit has honored over the years and scrutinized its balance sheets. He discovered that in 2004, Diamante honored Ilana Dubester, a Chatham County woman who joined a rally earlier this year against a Congressional plan to step up deportations of illegal immigrants. To him, that showed that the Hispanic cultural organization was using taxpayer money to help illegal immigrants. Diamante's leaders objected to Joyce's claims and urged town officials not to hold them responsible for what people did after they won the Latino Diamante Awards. "We have nothing to do with illegal immigration," said Lizette Cruz-Watko, the executive director of Diamante. "We go out of our way not to make our events political." In the end, Joyce managed to persuade some council members to take a closer look at the group's balance sheet before giving the group money again next year, but he failed to block plans to give the group money for its Aug. 5 music festival. "He didn't finish building his alliance, he didn't finish his homework," councilman Smith said. "We were trying to celebrate a $217 million package, and it wasn't going to be derailed by a $5,000 expenditure." Joyce had a hard time swallowing the defeat. He walked out of the June 22 council meeting when his colleagues agreed to give the money to Diamante and spent the next three weeks pondering his political future. "I don't want to serve on a government body," Joyce said, "that completely abuses its authority to tax the citizens." He made his resignation public Friday afternoon on the Bill LuMaye show on 680 WPTF. He was calm, measured and resolute, even as LuMaye and state Rep. Russell Capps, a Raleigh Republican, showered him with praise and urged him to stay. "In the grand scheme of things," LuMaye said, "it's only $5,000." "If that was your comment to me, and I know it's not," Joyce replied, "you'll never understand a conservative." Staff writer Toby Coleman can be reached at 829-8937 or tcoleman@newsobserver.com."

7/16/2006 8:57:18 AM

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"He has a very simple view of government," Cary councilman Jack Smith said. "It's all very black and white. It's all basic services, no more, no less."

I like him.

7/16/2006 2:32:17 PM

He must really hate spics.

7/16/2006 3:26:48 PM

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"It's all basic services, no more, no less." "

As it fucking should be, goddamned hippies.

7/16/2006 4:47:47 PM

sounds like a guy id vote for

7/16/2006 4:55:47 PM

sounds like a guy id vote for

7/16/2006 5:07:21 PM

you would have wasted your vote.

7/16/2006 5:11:43 PM

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"He said the stony silence of his colleagues helped him realize that he could do more good teaching plumbers than attending Town Council meetings. "I have to look at where Mike Joyce will be most effective helping people over the next year and a half," he said."

He talks about himself in the third person! Classic.

And, come on, guys...this was a ridiculous move by Joyce. Diamante receives public dollars. They honored a person. That person went on to join a rally in support of illegal immigrants...

And this guy wants to cut Diamante off just because of something that someone they honored did after they honored him?

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ???]

7/16/2006 5:23:26 PM

^^
basically. what's the point of me voting for someone if they're going to be a pussy and resign?

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 5:24 PM. Reason : to sarijoul]

7/16/2006 5:23:31 PM

more like it sounds like he made his point but many other people in cary want the city government to be bloated

7/16/2006 5:53:21 PM

^He didn't say he was pissed about the money. He was pissed that some of the money was going to a Hispanic organization that happened to have supported someone who later went on to rally for immigrants.

And, you can't "make a point" by resigning from your job. That's no way to make a change. Politics doesn't work that way.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 6:03 PM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2006 6:02:51 PM

i would have voted for him

7/16/2006 6:18:34 PM

^^ i guess you didnt read the article

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"Joyce, a blunt man who often touted his disdain for bureaucracy, never did fit in at Cary's genteel town hall "

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"Still, Joyce remained the council's primary dissenter, who often found himself on the losing side of 6-1 votes."

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""If that was your comment to me, and I know it's not," Joyce replied, "you'll never understand a conservative.""

basically he is the only one who wanted to reduce the size and expendiures of the government in cary

he did make his point every time by voting things down, but if you are the only one shit isnt going to happen because of that little thing called a majority

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2006 8:14:40 PM

so basically what you're saying is that Newt Gingrich and all of the other Republicans should have resigned, right up until they got the majority in 1994? Maybe Ronald Reagan himself should have resigned, since Democrats controlled majorities in Congress through his first term?

that's an interesting electoral strategy...

at the end of the day -- Mike Joyce was a pussy for resigning. period. 

7/16/2006 8:22:24 PM

well youre right, he was a pussy

but shit, if he isnt getting anywhere, maybe he needs to let someone else handle it

7/16/2006 8:25:57 PM

^^

What's the point of voting for someone if they're going to be totally ineffective? He was, so he quit. Seems reasonable to me.

If more people who sucked at their jobs quit, life would be a lot easier for all of us.

Sorry, I don't have much patience for "vive la revolucion!!!!1" politicians who think the whole world will stop for them. It's one thing to have a bully pulpit, and quite another to use it well.

7/16/2006 8:30:40 PM

I just hope before he leaves, he gets them to change the message on those 12 new electric signs from "Welcome to Cary" to "This Sign Cost the Taxpayers $43,000"

7/16/2006 10:22:40 PM

He's probably a bigot who hates hispanics. I can smell his bullshit from 800 miles away. Let him be a baby and quit. What a wanker.

7/16/2006 10:42:01 PM

^

7/17/2006 4:38:00 AM

^^ yes everyone who wants to enforce immigration laws is a bigot and hates (insert immigrant ethnic group here)

7/17/2006 11:00:25 AM

^ No, that's not what I am implying. I'd be insulting myself!

He is using something minute and minor (the fact Ilana Dubester was outspoken against the backlash in Congress about putting increased pressure on illegal immigrants) to make a big issue out of cutting funds for a Hispanic cultural organization.

Well I am sure MOST Hispanics, legal included, do not like the Congressional measures to step-up deportations. Go figure. Of course leaders in the Hispanic community will be outspoken against these measures!

7/17/2006 7:17:29 PM

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"I just hope before he leaves, he gets them to change the message on those 12 new electric signs from "Welcome to Cary" to "This Sign Cost the Taxpayers $43,000""

nice.

7/17/2006 9:17:18 PM

at least he's getting support from somebody

http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/463154.html

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"E-mail is pro-Joyce People from across the country have sent e-mail to Cary Town Council members over the past week to scold them over council member Mike Joyce's resignation. Joyce became a figurehead in the nation's immigration debate by declaring that he could not serve on a council that gave $5,000 to a Latin music festival. He complained that the event organizer, Diamante Inc., once honored a woman who later publicly opposed a proposal to crack down on illegal immigration. More than two dozen of the e-mail messages were form letters distributed by National Vanguard, a white supremacist group. Joyce, who officially resigned Wednesday, said he had never heard of National Vanguard. He added that his wife is of Spanish descent. "I guess this thing went national," he said. "The town of Cary has to realize this is a national issue.""

7/22/2006 10:26:29 AM