So it's gotta be big, if it was on BBC. They showed a reporter driving it around, and he remarked that it was completely silent. BTW, it cost a billion to develop it. Could be on sale very soon. Unlike the BMW in the other thread, this is a fully hydrogen powered vehicle.

THE FUTURE IS HERE!

GM demonstrates working Sequel fuel cell prototype

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"General Motors today will allow journalists to drive a working version of its Sequel concept, which the automaker says will be sold as a Chevrolet. Sequel was introduced in 2005 at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. GM says it's the first vehicle in the world to successfully integrate a hydrogen fuel cell propulsion system with a broad menu of advanced technologies such as steer-and brake-by-wire controls, wheel hub motors, lithium-ion batteries and a lightweight aluminum structure. "Sequel fundamentally changes the DNA of today's automobiles … exchanging an internal combustion engine, petroleum and mechanical systems for fuel cell propulsion, hydrogen and electrical systems," R&D vice president Larry Burns said. "In Sequel, GM has created a real vehicle that promises to excite customers and lead to long-term, sustainable automotive transportation." Compared to other fuel cell vehicles, Sequel has an unprecedented range of 300 miles between fill-ups. Zero to 60 mph takes under ten seconds, and top speed is 90 mph. Overall weight is 4774 lbs. Sequel has all the amenities one would expect in a premium, five-passenger crossover SUV, including luxury features and electronics. It has a low-profile, skateboard-like chassis that houses all of its main propulsion, braking and chassis components. "Sequel is a vehicle that is better in nearly every way – quicker, more sure-footed, easier to handle, easier to build and better looking, while being safe and emitting only water vapor," said Burns. Other benefits include: Unequaled control on snow and ice, or uneven terrain 70-percent more torque for unparalleled acceleration Shorter braking distances Ability to "talk" to other vehicles about traffic congestion or road conditions "Four years ago, our chairman and CEO, Rick Wagoner, challenged us to completely rethink the automobile," Burns said. "With the Chevy Sequel, we have now met Rick's challenge by reinventing the automobile and making it real. We’ve proven a new DNA for vehicles that is viable for the future.""

9/13/2006 5:03:51 AM

awesome...although again...probably will never see the streets of the usa...especially if it came out while bush was in office...then what excuse would he heave to invade the rest of the middle east

9/13/2006 5:20:00 AM

id drive it

9/13/2006 5:37:23 AM

gas companies will never let these vehicles hit the market. or they make it more expensive to drive. just look at ethanol. only .10 cheaper per gallon and 2-3mph less. ha. ok. right.

9/13/2006 8:04:29 AM

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"then what excuse would he heave to invade the rest of the middle east "

they'll just feed us another bullshit excuse like "liberating the people..."

9/13/2006 10:02:51 AM

Funny how the General gets the rep by most the garage heads as old as fuck and noninnovative because of their use of pushrod technology, when it looks like they may have beat the best of the European and Asian car makers to market on the first true hydrogen car.

Fuel companies may try their best to block this, but GM is a BIG lobbying arm and has a much better chance than any little pissant startup car maker with a great idea like this and no way to get it to market and distribution. GM is probably salivating to get this to market in the US to try and recapture their flagging marketshare. They have the greatest distribution channels in the country, so this would be a great idea for here. Lets just see how it goes about getting the gasoline dealers to start stocking hydrogen filling pumps at stations.

9/13/2006 11:30:25 AM

it's almost like i have to tell you everytime - post the original article link

9/13/2006 11:32:56 AM

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"when it looks like they may have beat the best of the European and Asian car makers to market on the first true hydrogen car"

except that they didnt beat either to the technology and wont beat either to the popular market

i mean toyota had a market ready fuel cell way back on 2002

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2006 11:35:02 AM

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"awesome...although again...probably will never see the streets of the usa...especially if it came out while bush was in office...then what excuse would he heave to invade the rest of the middle east"

or you could just leave your BS in the Soapbox.

this car looks great, very promising stuff!

However, until there's a cheap and efficient way to supply pure hydrogen I don't see a future.

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 1:11 PM. Reason : k]

9/13/2006 1:08:40 PM

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" or you could just leave your BS in the Soapbox. this car looks great, very promising stuff! However, until there's a cheap and efficient way to supply pure hydrogen I don't see a future. [Edited on September 13, 2006 at 1:11 PM. Reason : k] "

BS? let me guess, you voted for bush its as relative to this topic as discussing the car itself....good luck seeing this for sale in the US. Europe yes, simply because they are HUGE on the enviorment...unlike the leader in greenhouse gas emissions

9/13/2006 1:34:57 PM

wow, you've got the same answer for everything. You're such a smart liberal.

Gold star for you!

9/13/2006 1:53:00 PM

haha liberal? then again i'd have laughed if you called me a democrat or republican.

i don't associate myself with morons.

9/13/2006 1:59:32 PM

Why do they keep wasting money on hydrogen powered cars. Where do you get the hydrogen from?

9/13/2006 4:18:31 PM

im pretty anti-bush, but he isnt the reason this wont hit the streets anytime soon. thats just so retarded, bush would love a car like this to hit the streets while he was in office so he could go visit the factory on a pr trip

9/13/2006 4:22:45 PM

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"it's almost like i have to tell you everytime - post the original article link"

sorry boss... honest mistake!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/11/gm-demonstrates-working-sequel-fuel-cell-prototype/

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/NewsID/2060912.001/country/acf/generalmotors/chevrolet-sequel-concept-driveable-version

lots of pics here:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.cfm/country/acf/photoID/3050225.001/chevrolet/chevrolet-sequel-concept-photo-update

9/13/2006 5:37:30 PM

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"Why do they keep wasting money on hydrogen powered cars. Where do you get the hydrogen from?"

there are lots of places to get it from. some people would tell you from water. others would say from petroleum

But his car won't "hit the market" anytime soon. It takes a while to establish enough infrastructure to support hydrogen fueling stations on a large enough scale for this to make a difference.

this isn't a freaking political thread people. take that shit back to the soap box.

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 5:41 PM. Reason : ]

9/13/2006 5:40:03 PM

wow, another intelligence filled post from Golovko. OMG, THE RAIN WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT IS BUSH'S FAULT TOO!!!!111

9/13/2006 7:46:05 PM

well, what they say is true. you are either a redneck or an idiot to vote for bush.

the man makes more mistakes then anyone can keep track of so you pull out 'oh it rained blah blah blah' bullshit when he gets called out on it....way to go! I don't see you trying to defend his actions...instead insult and make fun of the people calling bush out.

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 8:41 PM. Reason : fda]

9/13/2006 8:40:04 PM

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"Europe yes, simply because they are HUGE on the enviorment...unlike the leader in greenhouse gas emissions "

i thought some european cars are not brought over here because they don't meet US emissions standards..

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 8:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2006 8:48:21 PM

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"i thought some european cars are not brought over here because they don't meet US emissions standards.. "

yeah, ironic isn't it? the cars there like the turbo diesels that are more effiecent then hybrids in fuel consumption aren't being sold in the US.

another example: some mercedes benz's (like the C class) that are built in germany and exported to the US don't meet german standards....

9/13/2006 8:50:37 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_standards

9/13/2006 8:53:53 PM

so if kerry was president, we'd see a huge influx of new automobiles. right. it's not about supporting/voting for bush, it's the fact that you're so ignorant you really think bush is why certain vehicles aren't imported.

even if it was tops on his agenda, his influence/power over such a thing is minimal. blame the parts of the government that actually have the power to change such things if you want to point fingers. i'm all for calling a president out for their mistakes, but come on... at least remove your blinders and leave the blame to the things that are actually his fault.

9/13/2006 9:03:03 PM

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"so if kerry was president, we'd see a huge influx of new automobiles. right. it's not about supporting/voting for bush, it's the fact that you're so ignorant you really think bush is why certain vehicles aren't imported. even if it was tops on his agenda, his influence/power over such a thing is minimal. blame the parts of the government that actually have the power to change such things if you want to point fingers. i'm all for calling a president out for their mistakes, but come on... at least remove your blinders and leave the blame to the things that are actually his fault"

yeah dude, everyone knows bush is the reason why we don't have certain cars here like the peugeot....he hates the french. they'd be called freedom cars if they were imported

i swear you're so dense its funny.

9/13/2006 9:06:05 PM

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"yeah dude, everyone knows bush is the reason why we don't have certain cars here like the peugeot"

way to over simplify things

9/13/2006 9:25:16 PM

how could anyone respond seriously to what bigblueredneck said?

If bush wasn't president, we'd have a cure for cancer

9/13/2006 9:27:23 PM

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"yeah dude, everyone knows bush is the reason why we don't have certain cars here"

uh, you're the one that said it. not me.

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"awesome...although again...probably will never see the streets of the usa...especially if it came out while bush was in office...then what excuse would he heave to invade the rest of the middle east"

the assumption that a certain car won't be imported simply because of bush is ridiculous. it doesn't matter if you're a bush fan or not, it was a dumbass ignorant comment even if someone else was in office.

9/13/2006 9:33:03 PM

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"uh, you're the one that said it. not me."

thats called sarcasm....but since you can't see it, i guess that makes it your loss.

and when the leader of a nation like the US is backed hardcore by the oil and gas industry...i'm sure he'd stop a car like that if it were ready and able to be sold in the USA today. Just look at his foreign policy...he vetos everything like he was voting for prom king and queen or some shit. So doing something as small as blocking sales of a certain product isn't so far fetched.

9/13/2006 9:36:40 PM

oh it's scarcasm now? funny how you started out trying to defend it, now it's just scarcasm

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"BS? let me guess, you voted for bush its as relative to this topic as discussing the car itself....good luck seeing this for sale in the US"

9/13/2006 9:49:22 PM

1) i was being sarcastic about bush being the reason we don't have certain cars here like the peugot.

2) i wasn't being sarcastic that if the oportunity presented itself, bush would prevent sales of hydrogen cars in the USA because it would effect the demand on oil...thus his war on 'terror' would lose its cause. But since this car isn't even ready for sale in the US and won't be bofore bush's term ends...then its just speculation based off of his passed policies and 'decision making skills'.

and again...any leader who is in bed with the oil and gas industry would do the same thing...

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 9:56 PM. Reason : fda]

9/13/2006 9:55:42 PM

I just shitted in my pants.

9/13/2006 9:56:37 PM

haha, who is this kid? he is seriously retarded

9/13/2006 10:34:43 PM

Are you REALLY that obtuse?

9/13/2006 10:44:21 PM

9/13/2006 11:08:27 PM

now this thread is worth looking at.

9/14/2006 12:44:35 AM

yes

9/14/2006 12:45:29 AM

^^^finally, something worthwhile in this thread!

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"how could anyone respond seriously to what bigblueredneck Golovko said?"

Sorry, had to fix that.

[Edited on September 14, 2006 at 12:47 AM. Reason : whoa, same time!]

9/14/2006 12:46:49 AM

oh and

http://world.honda.com/news/2006/4060108FCX/

not to mention

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"As part of its effort to ensure the viability of a hydrogen-based society, Honda is developing the Home Energy Station, a comprehensive system designed to meet residential energy needs by supplying electricity and heat in addition to hydrogen fuel for vehicles. Generating hydrogen from natural gas supplied for residential use, the Home Energy Station system also offers consumers the convenience of refueling hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicles at home. The system is equipped with fuel cells that generate and supply electricity to the home, and is configured to recover the heat produced during power generation for domestic water heating. In addition to reducing carbon dioxide emissions by some 40 percent, the Home Energy Station system is expected to lower the total running cost of household electricity, gas and vehicle fuel by 50 percent."

I know right now they've got a system set up on some japanese island where all the electricity generated is by a hydroelectric plant. Basically the island is totally clean. No fossil fuels used or greenhouse gases produced. gg honda.

[Edited on September 14, 2006 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/14/2006 12:46:49 AM

^that seems pretty kickass. However, isn't natural gas a fossil fuel? And a need for natural gas won't help our reliance on foreign energy sources that much.

(though its a step in the right direction!)

9/14/2006 12:59:37 AM

right, its a step.

and it seems the amount of natural gas this would need and the efficiency at producing utilities for your house and car seems a lot better than the current use of fossil fuels for producing utilities...and then the amount needed for automobiles.

I mean a 50% decrese in cost...sign me up.

In the may 22 episode of fifth gear Tom drives it and talks all about the project and the island and all that jazz.



[Edited on September 14, 2006 at 1:24 AM. Reason : .]

9/14/2006 1:19:36 AM

PIG SHIT

9/14/2006 10:29:54 AM

i like those breastssses up there

9/14/2006 10:35:04 AM

They would make a good sausage sammich

9/14/2006 10:40:33 AM

they do

9/14/2006 12:23:31 PM

THE FUTURE IS HERE, PART DEUX

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

Honda demos drivable FCX Concept; gives production timeframe

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"Honda over the past week held a demonstration drive of a working version of the FCX Concept fuel cell vehicle, which was first previewed nearly a year ago. Initial sales of a totally new fuel cell vehicle based on this concept model is to begin in 2008 in Japan and the U.S., the automaker announced today. The FCX features a newly developed compact, high-efficiency Honda FC Stack as well as a low-floor, low-riding, short-nose body. It has 129 horsepower, 189 pound-feet of torque, a range of 356 miles, and a top speed of 100 mph."

[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 9:22 AM. Reason : http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/25/honda-demos-drivable-fcx-concept-details-production/]

9/26/2006 8:53:05 AM

its so ugly that it makes it cool looking

9/26/2006 9:00:10 AM

I'm not exactly down with the home fuel system thing for one reason. Natural Gas is fucking expensive. They have not been finding natural gas in amounts that they have been finding crude, and because of this, even though its more efficient and cleaner, it costs me out the ass to heat my house.

I really don't want to spend on Nat'l Gas year-round now.

9/26/2006 9:14:39 AM