Expires: 02/15/2008

On Monday, November 19, 2007 at approximately 9:30 pm a male student was
walking south of Patterson Lot near DH Hill Library. He was approached
by three suspects who threatened him and demanded his money. No weapon
was shown. After the victim produced his wallet the suspects fled the
area. The victim was not injured.

Suspect #1 - light complexion, approximately 45 years of age, gray
hair, gray beard and mustache, 5'5", 160 lbs, blue and white flannel
shirt, dark pants

Suspect #2 - dark complexion, approximately 35 years of age, black
hair, 6'00", 180 lbs, orange hooded sweatshirt, jeans

Suspect #3 - dark complexion, approximately 35 years of age, short black hair,
6'03", 190 lbs, black hat, black vest, white long sleeve shirt, jeans

If you saw someone matching any of these descriptions near the time of this
incident or have other information about this incident contact Campus Police
Investigations at 515-2498.

Safety Tips:

Always walk in well lit areas at night.
Don't walk alone after hours, use the Safety Escort, 515-3000.
Report suspicious activity to the Police immediately.


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11/20/2007 7:59:18 AM

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"He was approached by three suspects who threatened him and demanded his money. No weapon was shown. After the victim produced his wallet the suspects fled the area. The victim was not injured. "

what a fucking pussy

he's a STUDENT

and he gave up his wallet to OLD SHORT SMALL DUDES that HAD NO WEAPONS

11/20/2007 8:00:14 AM

3 > 1

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 8:02 AM. Reason : and only one was short]

11/20/2007 8:01:15 AM

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"3 > 1"

11/20/2007 8:02:58 AM

and plus

it's DH hill

at 9:30 on a monday

you're telling me no one else was around to witness this/help out?

11/20/2007 8:03:19 AM

how exactly does 6'3" equate to short? or 6' for that matter?

11/20/2007 9:49:38 AM

No weapon? He should have just taken off running. I'm sure a blue light wasn't too far away.

11/20/2007 9:53:06 AM

One would think students would not be the demographic to rob of their wallets. Everyone student I know uses their debit card and rarely carries more than $20 or $40 cash.

Nothing like comitting a crime that can put you away for a decade to get $20.

11/20/2007 9:53:08 AM

Yeah, I agree @ rarely carry more than $20-40.

This is also hilarious because of the fact that 9:30pm was still before these older dude's bedtime.

Also, what does our campus PD do all day that an area near DH Hill doesn't have cops posted on the regular, even through part of the night hours?

11/20/2007 9:56:18 AM

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"Also, what does our campus PD do all day that an area near DH Hill doesn't have cops posted on the regular, even through part of the night hours?"

Routine police work (aka sitting on their asses)

11/20/2007 10:01:36 AM

if this ever happens to me i am going to start screaming and run, that would scare the holy shit out of them

11/20/2007 10:05:35 AM

If those criminals were really smart, they would have stolen his books and sold them. They're probably worth way more than whatever the dude had in his wallet.

11/20/2007 10:07:38 AM

3v1 I would run, fuck that giving them my wallets.

11/20/2007 10:08:56 AM

The second dude is dumb, robbing people while wearing an orange sweatshirt

He should have been laced in all black, or maybe he was just a really big Bobcats fan

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 10:11 AM. Reason : x]

11/20/2007 10:10:47 AM

this is another reason why you should be able to carry on campus

11/20/2007 10:12:13 AM

rednecks + guns on campus = disaster.

11/20/2007 10:17:57 AM

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"rednecks + black people+ guns on campus = disaster"

Fixed... unfortunately.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 10:20 AM. Reason : ]

11/20/2007 10:19:50 AM

more like licensed ccp holders + guns = safer campus

11/20/2007 10:21:17 AM

Because more guns are always the answer.

11/20/2007 10:24:30 AM

this was the answer to the whole noose thing

we are even now

11/20/2007 10:25:33 AM

well then explain how utah, that has the most liberal (i use this term to describe the restrictions on locations where you can carry) has the lowest violent crime rate? (yes coorelation does not imply causation, but it is something to consider)

dont you think that people would think if there was the threat that normal, law abiding citizens were armed everywhere

those laws against carrying on campus dont deter criminals...they just make normal people vulnerable

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 10:28 AM. Reason : 

11/20/2007 10:26:49 AM

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Utah being full of boring Mormons and all to do with the liberal use of guns. Violent crimes would surely skyrocket if you took their guns away...

11/20/2007 10:29:02 AM

I'm pretty sure Suspect #1 is homeless. I drank with that guy at the belltower saturday night.

11/20/2007 10:29:40 AM

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"(yes coorelation does not imply causation, but it is something to consider)"

youre right there are other factors

when is the last time that a law stopped a criminal?

11/20/2007 10:29:54 AM

nice edit that was

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"I'm pretty sure Suspect #1 is homeless. I drank with that guy at the belltower saturday night."

You should turn him in.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 10:32 AM. Reason : ]

11/20/2007 10:31:32 AM

thanks, it's not like we all get these emails

11/20/2007 10:32:16 AM

^^ i edited that before you posted

check the times

o and thx for playing

11/20/2007 10:34:23 AM

^^^Dude was homeless.. "turning him in" involves alot of work on my part finding him again. He will probably be at the belltower again though, I always see him there drinkin on saturday nights.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ^]

11/20/2007 10:34:56 AM

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"i edited that before you posted check the times o and thx for playing"

Yeah, you edited while I posted mine. Good job douche turkey. I stopped playing because I've already had this argument with countless other idiots and this isn't the place to do it, so STFU.

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"Dude was homeless.. "turning him in" involves alot of work on my part finding him again. He will probably be at the belltower again though, I always see him there drinkin on saturday nights."

Calling campus police and reporting that a homeless guy who committed a crime is a lot of work? You could really make a difference especially if his arrest leads to the arrests of the other two. I don't know about you, but I'd definitely feel better if these guys got busted.

11/20/2007 10:40:54 AM

i edited twice, once to concede causation before you posted and again for a spelling error

nice use of a holiday theme

i see how if you get high all the time carrying would be a bad idea

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 11:12 AM. Reason : 

11/20/2007 11:09:05 AM

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"i see how it ... would be a bad idea"

i win

11/20/2007 11:12:18 AM

Once again a spelling error

and a quote out of context

you are doing well

11/20/2007 11:13:29 AM

Oh hey, gun debate? Allow me to cover this page with a quote from a webpage that I agree with.

http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-gun-is-civilization.html

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"why the gun is civilization. Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable. When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act."

Whee! Concealed carry on campus would be awesome, but not everybody can see that.

11/20/2007 11:15:41 AM

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"One would think students would not be the demographic to rob of their wallets. Everyone student I know uses their debit card and rarely carries more than $20 or $40 cash."

Can't a thief just take your debit card, then? Not all places ask for your PIN number to use it, it's still possible for them to get some free stuff out of it. And good luck getting any of your money back once they spend it.

11/20/2007 11:18:39 AM

^^That's why your first call should be to the police and your second to your bank/card company. As long as you make a timely effort to report a stolen card you should be fine. Hell, many visa backed cards give you full protection against that kind of stuff.

If they were smart though they'd take your cell phone or cell phone battery (ditching the cell of course.) That might buy them a few more seconds to buy a burger before you could cancel your card.

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"Whee! Concealed carry on campus would be awesome, but not everybody can see that."

Considering that you can get a CCP and still be a moron, I really wouldn't want to see that many guns on a campus with people who drink as heavily as we do. Rational social interactions and real social interactions aren't always the same, especially with drunk and or moronic people.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2007 11:59:26 AM

I'm done trying to argue logic with stupid people


looking at stoner 420

^ morons drive all the time... which scares me much more

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:04 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 12:03:45 PM

Why give them more ways to kill you on campus then. We do drunk-driving checkpoints on campus fairly regularly. If you'd agree to have a random room sweeps to make sure nobody was drunk with a weapon sure. That would make you a communist though.

Anyways, as always the driving/gun comparison is too flawed to be useful. It's a far too often used fall -back despite the silliness of the analogy.

The real issue here is how this crap keeps happening in relatively public and well lit areas. Remember the shooting on Dan Allen? How the fuck do people feel like they can pull shit like that especially in areas that are that well lit and well traveled? The answer is our campus police aren't doing their job. Maybe they need more funding and staff, but I'm getting sick of hearing about this stuff in supposedly safer areas.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2007 12:11:31 PM

it's already illegal to carry concealed and blow anything over a .00

last I heard they already check rooms anyway


what about people that don't live on campus?


why can I walk down hillsborough street on one side and be perfectly legal while carrying (not to mention no danger to anyone) but if I cross the street I'm a felon and OMG DANGEROUS

^ I agree to a point (with your edit)

campus safety should do more to be seen and make campus well lit and safer, but police can't be everywhere all the time... and honestly, they need to have better training for me to really want to rely on them anyway

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2007 12:16:46 PM

^Ah yes, and you trust people to obey the laws after a few drinks eh? If you trust that people obey laws so well, then why even have guns. Simply making it illegal for people to conceal carry and drink doesn't mean anything.

No, if you put more guns on college campus you're going to have drunks with guns and accidents. Besides, they don't do random sweeps of rooms. They check them maybe twice a semester or so for fire inspections and stuff like that.

But yeah, the gun/ccp on campus debate is a distraction from this thread. It belongs in soap box somewhere.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:21 PM. Reason : edited to remove condescending jack-assery on my part]

11/20/2007 12:18:42 PM

I don't trust people to obey the law.. at least obey the law as far as my safety and security are concerned... hence me being a gun owner and a CCWP holder

what you don't realize is the hassle that a CCWP holder goes through to get the permit... the folks I know don't want to risk losing it... not to mention going to jail

if a gun owner lived on campus or carried on campus, I'd like to see extra training (like every semester maybe) and a special seal or what not on the student ID(not a blatant "hey look at me")

yeah... for another thread... I'm not trying to argue today

11/20/2007 12:23:52 PM

Oh I have no problem with CCP permit holders in general. Personaly, as long as we have guns as part of our society, I'd like to see it be a course in high school. Probably not require it obviously, but if more people who had guns had CCP's I'd be happier in general.

That being said, how many of these campus muggings do you ever hear of ending in death or serious injury? How about even minor injury? If there were 1 accidental gun injury a year on campus due to larege-scale gun ownership it wouldn't be worth it in my opinion. Sure if everyone who carried was like Aficianodo or your I'm sure it wouldn't be the case, but I don't trust people that much.

I do agree that a high number of CCP owners on campus would make this kind of opportunity crime go away though. If you could convince me it wouldn't lead to an increase in accidental gun injuries on campus I'd say it would be a good idea too.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:33 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2007 12:28:08 PM

yeah... I'd like to see some type of firearm safety mandatory for say... 5th graders

like... basic stuff... "don't touch, notify an adult, etc"

with some basics like... "don't point that motherfucker at something unless you intend to shoot it"

and how to at least engage a safety or unload and some basic target stuff to show them what a firearm is capable of doing and that once the gun is fired, there is no getting the bullet back and show the destruction a round can cause

maybe some of that at a later age... I just wish EVERYONE knew how to properly and safely handle and operate a firearm


yeah... I dunno... never really hear about it

I'd like to hear more about sorry worthless human beings that are trying to rob or hurt others catching a bullet to the dome actually

11/20/2007 12:33:02 PM

Yeah that would be nice (hearing about predatory-type criminals being fended off that is.) Anyone know what the rules on knives on campus- ones that can be considered tools rather than weapons?

11/20/2007 12:35:47 PM

i think the blade limit is either 3 or 4 inches on knives.

11/20/2007 12:38:13 PM

not 100% sure... but it can be iffy

I suggest everyone going to Personal Defense and Handgun Safety Center and purchasing a tazer for <$50

a great thing to have which can actually be carried lots of places handguns can't be carried... not to mention the fact that you may be less hesitant to defend yourself if need be since it is a less than lethal weapon and chances are the result isn't final...

they are as small as a deck of cards now

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ...]

11/20/2007 12:38:44 PM

Hah, you know a 3.5 inch partly serrated fishing knife would probably scare the shit out of most muggers. Just make sure you get a kind of crazy look in your face.

Wonder if, legally, once you brandish it as a weapon and use it as such you could be charged for carrying a concealed weapon on campus- even if you only brandished it as such in self defense.

^Haha, one of the 3 guys shaking like crazy on the ground would probably have scared the other 3 off. Didn't realize tazers were legal in NC, but maybe I'm thinking stun guns.

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:41 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2007 12:40:17 PM

well...


if I were to do such a thing

I'd keep my mouth SHUT

call a lawyer and make sure that it is understood that you feared for your life and felt there was no other option

^ projectile tazers are LEO/GOV only... but the contact ones work within a couple inches and will burn through a thick jacket

they carry a 300k volt and a 950k volt

the main difference is... the 300k will get him off you... the 950k will incapacitate usually

spend the money on the bigger one... if your safety is in danger you want the most you can get

[Edited on November 20, 2007 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ..]

11/20/2007 12:41:22 PM

having a knife or a stun gun on school property is a misdemeanor homies

11/20/2007 12:59:20 PM

I'd keep a tazer and my pocket and deal with it


esp since it's obvious the campus clowns can't take care of business

11/20/2007 1:00:25 PM

^^Pretty sure "tools" are acceptable. Otherwise all those design school kids with their x-acto's would be fucked.

11/20/2007 1:01:22 PM