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OH YEAH AND 5 PAGES BECAUSE I KNOW YOU PEOPLE LOVE TO DEBATE TIPPING

11/20/2009 10:18:27 AM

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" Pope and John Wagner were hauled away by police and charged with theft for not paying the mandatory 18 percent gratuity totaling $16 after eating at the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem, Pa. with six friends. "

11/20/2009 10:20:44 AM

Ok.

11/20/2009 10:21:22 AM

i rarely eat anywhere that gratuity is included for that very reason, because the service usually sucks, i eat a lot of places where the ~15% tip is over $25 for two people because of the price of the food, but the service is usually excellent, and its my decision

[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 10:22 AM. Reason : the waiter never sees that, its a way for the restaurant to make more money]

11/20/2009 10:21:41 AM

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"Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip Patrons claim service was so bad, they had to get napkins and silverware for themselves If you’re frustrated by poor service at a restaurant, think twice before you decide to not tip. You may be in for a bit more than just a dirty look from the waiter. "Nobody, nobody wants to be forced to pay a tip or be arrested for terrible service," Leslie Pope said when her happy hour ended in handcuffs. Pope and John Wagner were hauled away by police and charged with theft for not paying the mandatory 18 percent gratuity totaling $16 after eating at the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem, Pa. with six friends. Pope claimed that they had to wait nearly an hour for their order and that she had to get napkins and silverware for the table herself. “At this point I became very annoyed because I had already gone up to the bar myself to have my soda refilled because the waitress never came back,” Pope said. After the $73 bill came, the group paid for food, drinks, and tax but refused to pay the tip. After explaining the bad service to the bartender in charge, Pope claimed he took their money and called police. The couple was handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car. “I understand that, you know, we didn’t pay the gratuity, but it was a gratuity, it wasn’t something that was required,” said Wagner. The owner admitted that the group waited unusually long for their food, but said the pub was extremely busy that night. He said managers offered to comp the food, a claim the couple denies ever happened. “Obviously we would have liked for the patron and the establishment to have worked this out without getting the police involved,” said Deputy Police Commissioner Stuart Bedics. Police charged them with theft since the gratuity was part of the actual bill. However, it is doubtful that the charges will hold up in front of a judge. The couple is scheduled to appear in court next month."

11/20/2009 10:22:43 AM

I don't tip for a service I could perform myself.

Besides, if no one tipped, servers would have their wages increased anyway.

11/20/2009 10:22:48 AM

good luck finding places that dont have mandatory gratuity for parties of 8.

11/20/2009 10:23:17 AM

thats different, because of cheap niggers, and often more than one waiter

11/20/2009 10:24:04 AM

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"I don't tip for a service I could perform myself."

haha

Do you tip your doctor?

11/20/2009 10:24:05 AM

i'd give her just the tip

11/20/2009 10:24:26 AM

Holy shit that's fucked up. Hard to tell how the arrested people acted, but damn if that's not a stupid reason to be arrested.

11/20/2009 10:25:10 AM

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"Do you tip your doctor?"

Yes

11/20/2009 10:25:45 AM

I grease the mater D in nice places, so I don't feel obligated to leave a bigger than usual tip

11/20/2009 10:25:49 AM

they will get the shit sued out of them by that couple, especially since they took the payment for the food and then had them arrested

11/20/2009 10:26:36 AM

^ good point

11/20/2009 10:27:49 AM

the dude that called the cops is a fucking idiot, this is about the worse press you can get, and it's all official, just shows that they are dickbags

11/20/2009 10:28:09 AM

The pub just brought a lot of negative attention to themselves by doing this.

11/20/2009 10:28:12 AM

When I was a waiter, we had the option of adding a mandatory tip onto the bill. We usually never did it unless it was a huge table/ order... or you just thought a motherfucker wasn't going to pay you. We also has a sign post3d that said tip will be added to a table of 12 or more.

Never had any issues... but yeah, I'm sure that shit would never hold up in court if a restaurant patron decided to take it that far.

11/20/2009 10:28:21 AM

if they wouldn't accept less than the total, then they had some kind of a case, but they seemed to accept it, then have them arrested


the couple should have been talking to the manager, not the fuckin bartender though

11/20/2009 10:28:52 AM

Im not posting in this thread.

11/20/2009 10:30:16 AM

faggot ass faggot

11/20/2009 10:30:46 AM

I think everyone who does not tip should be arrested.

11/20/2009 10:31:20 AM

i dont tip at hardees, or anywhere with a buffet

11/20/2009 10:31:57 AM

yeah, i would have paid with cash on the table and walked out immediately

why did they stay

if they are that slow, then most likely it will be a few minutes till they get the table and count the cash

by then youre gone

11/20/2009 10:32:16 AM

I heard about this on the way in to work this morning. I caught myself thinking... I don't view myself as being the type that would sue for petty crap, but I just might have to if that were me.

So they robbed the restaurant because the tip was a part of the bill. Wasn't the restaurant stealing from them by charging them a premium for a service that wasn't adequately provided? Seems like it would be hard to establish a contract when the restaurant didn't make good on their end of the deal.

So you hear about these stories all the time. Solution? Everyone go to the restaurant and dial 911 when the service sucks.

[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 10:34 AM. Reason : -]

11/20/2009 10:32:47 AM

Stinger, most people don't have $73 in cash on them

11/20/2009 10:34:00 AM

^^ great plan

then get arrested for making a dumb 911 call

11/20/2009 10:34:27 AM

there are ways of getting cash in a hurry

i usually carry 100 just in case though

11/20/2009 10:35:33 AM

^^Yeah, that's what happens in those stories. So how was the restaurant calling the cops not the same thing? Arrest the bartender for being an idiot and calling the cops.


[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM. Reason : -]

11/20/2009 10:35:43 AM

i hope these people sue and get damages, court costs, and lawyer fees paid by the resturant

then they should go back the next night just to be an ass

likley wont get seated, but it would piss the manager off

and if they left the first time he asked them to, he couldnt do shit

11/20/2009 10:37:34 AM

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"Solution? Everyone go to the restaurant and dial 911 when the service sucks."

Bad Idea. People do this all of the time and usually end up arrested. I saw one article where a guy did it because they left his mayonnaise off.

11/20/2009 10:37:49 AM

Aha, I bet a lot of this stemmed from a restaurant owner's ego. Most of those motherfuckers are shady as hell.

11/20/2009 10:37:50 AM

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"Wasn't the restaurant stealing from them by charging them a premium for a service that wasn't adequately provided? Seems like it would be hard to establish a contract when the restaurant didn't make good on their end of the deal."

11/20/2009 10:41:48 AM

In legal terms, "service" just means bringing them their food and beverage

It speaks nothing to the quality or timeliness of these actions

So the patrons were technically serviced, and thus accountable for the gratuity

11/20/2009 10:43:28 AM

if it's written on the menu, to be x% gratuity added for parties of y or more, if the customer orders food, they've accepted the clause in the transaction.

hence, not stealing and the customer has agreed to abide by the clause by placing an order and not deciding to go elsewhere.

dont be silly.

11/20/2009 10:43:48 AM

next time im up in that area, im tempted to go there, order some food, and fake a phone call and drive off before the food gets there

11/20/2009 10:45:16 AM

way to perpetuate childishness.

11/20/2009 10:45:53 AM

Yeah, at the very least the business isn't doing themselves any favors by having done this. Take a $16 write off or go viral on the net. Hmmmmmm. Call the cops!

11/20/2009 10:47:25 AM

I hate the "customer is always right" mantra (which is we call ours clients)

but its never more true than in the restruant industy

Where bad publicity can sink places like a rock

11/20/2009 10:49:14 AM

back when i was in college i went on a date with a girl to a nice place, and the service was awful

she told me she would get the tip

i went to the bathroom and came back i looked at the reciept i saw

"look bitch, you want a tip...."

i quit reading and went for the door pretty quick

11/20/2009 10:52:00 AM

Ego problems man... I'm telling you...

Taking that $16 hit would have been admitting the restaurant wasn't in the right.

So now, they've lost at least one couples business... their rep. Is smeared, they'll probably get sued, and everyone now thinks they have shitty service

11/20/2009 10:52:45 AM

^^haha

[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ^]

11/20/2009 10:53:07 AM

i'm just curious as to how 8 people had a tab totalling $73 for a happy hour with food.

11/20/2009 10:55:25 AM

ok, i have to get back to work, but ill leave you with this:

me and some buddies went to a bar to watch a game

we got done eating and everything with about 10 mins left

i went ahead and paid the bill, leaving a good tip

the waitress then proceeded to completely ignore us until we left

i disputed the charge on my card, and they didnt get paid

i was wanting the place to challenge it so i could bitch about it, but they never did

11/20/2009 11:00:04 AM

place near me has 2 dollar apps 5-7

everyone gets 2 apps and 3 $1.50 beers = 8.50 X 8 = 68 bucks

something like that

11/20/2009 11:00:17 AM

^ what he said

[Edited on November 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2009 11:01:02 AM

OBLIGATORY I TIP 20% OR 1 DOLLAR

11/20/2009 11:01:49 AM

if you don't tip at least 35%, expect spit in your beverage next time.

11/20/2009 11:04:58 AM

reminds me of that episode of Rehab when that bitch chased some guy into the parkin lot cuz he only tipped 200 bucks and demanded that he OWED her 400 more dollars


matt fired that bitches ass on the spot

thats not the same as not paying a gratuity, you are obligated to pay that shit the title is misleading a lil

11/20/2009 11:05:00 AM

Welcome to America where you tip waiters. We've been doing it for years. No one is changing shit.

11/20/2009 11:09:29 AM