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LoneSnark
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^ don't be rediculous. The North Koreans want money and material in exchange for better behavior. They don't really care much about the sanctions or American presence in the south. If anything, their behavior would only get worse in the name of attention seeking if America pulled out and lifted all sanctions.

4/11/2017 5:20:54 AM

eleusis
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China is supposedly turning around coal shipments from North Korea and claiming they wont buy anymore this year. If Trump managed to convince the Chinese to cut off the main NK export and replace it with US coal, that would be a significant move.

4/11/2017 5:52:47 AM

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Lol, if he got a concession like that do you think he'd have the self control to avoid blaring it out across every medium he could possibly get on?

This guy has been loudly taking credit for every job created even those decided years ago.

4/11/2017 10:08:46 AM

dtownral
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China's unhappiness with NK pre-dates Trump and has nothing to do with him

4/11/2017 11:54:00 AM

tulsigabbard
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Why do you think they want attention? They really just want to survive and prosper. We should allow them because that would drastically improve the quality of life for millions of poor people in North Korea. Yes, it would also improve their military power, but that shouldn't be an issue as long as we take a policy shift towards peace at any cost.

You might say "but what if they invade the south" then its war which would be the worst-case scenario under a shift towards peace but war is the only end result under our current course of action so why not give peace a chance?

Also, with more aid and openness, the people of DPRK would be more likely to demand more rights, and the government, under a renewed sense of security would be more likely to ease restrictions on human rights.

4/12/2017 5:33:58 AM

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366

4/14/2017 10:18:45 AM

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/asia/north-korea-missile-test/

4/16/2017 3:10:49 PM

tulsigabbard
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I'm still waiting for one news outlet to mention the atrocities committed against North Korea without them doing anything to us.
-Wiped out 20% of the population
-Drop 30,000 tons of napalm
-Fire-bombed civilians including all urban centers
-Targetted irrigation systems, water systems, dams and farmland

The country is what it is today as a result of American war crimes. Sure they spread a lot of lies and propaganda, but it all stems from the truths listed above. I'm sick of the stupid corporate media painting them to be irrational maniacs. Its worn out. If they were so irrational, they would have done something crazy by now like dropped an atomic bomb on Japan or invaded another country.

4/17/2017 3:05:50 PM

dtownral
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you always take your trolling a bit to far, like dial it back to 9 or 10 and you might do better but 11 is just trying too hard

4/17/2017 3:54:47 PM

Dentaldamn
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didnt the Korean War start with North Korea invading South Korea?

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 4:04 PM. Reason : ??????]

4/17/2017 3:57:12 PM

Dentaldamn
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Just did some Korean War reading.

Good lord.

4/17/2017 4:13:47 PM

tulsigabbard
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Once again, the "who started it" line doesn't excuse the mass escalation and atrocity that followed.

South Korea was just an American proxy that was actively draining resources from the North on behalf of wall street during a critical time in the development of a nation. The South would not exist without the US. They were crushed in the civil ( aka none of our business) war. The will of the people was not to support the American puppet.

The fact that arrogance behind the notion that the US is entitled to drawing (and then enforcing) the world's political maps is more psychotic than anything that goes on in Korea today.
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"In August 1945, two young aides at the State Department divided the Korean peninsula in half along the 38th parallel. "




[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 4:36 PM. Reason : k]

4/17/2017 4:22:42 PM

Dentaldamn
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So best case situation for you would have been North Korea taken over the entire peninsula?

4/17/2017 4:34:30 PM

tulsigabbard
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Its not "for me". it was the best case scenario for any life-loving human. That is what had already happened. The war was essentially over and Korea would have been unified. How many people have to die to do it wall street's way?

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 4:42 PM. Reason : 4 million plus however many have died since then and however many will die in the next war]

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 4:45 PM. Reason : My cheap electronics at the expense of starving north koreans is the best scenario for me. ]

4/17/2017 4:39:57 PM

dtownral
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Why the he'll do you morons argue with trolls?

4/17/2017 8:52:52 PM

Dentaldamn
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Bc I hate my job?

4/17/2017 10:21:52 PM

moron
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Sometimes you want to wrestle with the pig even though you know you'll get muddy.

4/17/2017 11:14:49 PM

TreeTwista10
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Then spend time criticizing other swine grapplers

4/18/2017 12:51:09 AM

tulsigabbard
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Its also worth noting that the US tested minuteman ICBM last week but not one word from the media. I'm not saying it was scandalous, but don't you think it should at least be part of the discussion? Imagine the coverage if Iran or NK had done the same scale test?

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"We should also note that there is a double standard in US condemnation of North Korean missile tests. There is no international law against missile tests. It is every country’s sovereign right to do so. Also, the US consistently tests missiles. Just in 2015 alone, the US conducted tests of the Minuteman III, which is an ICBM, five times. So there is definitely a double standard at play here."

-Hyun Lee a member of the Nodutdol for Korean Community Development and the National Campaign to End the Korean War

4/18/2017 1:45:16 AM

0EPII1
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So the idiot doesn't know who the NK leader is. He said today that Obama and Bush have been dealing with the leader for a long time, when the leader only came to power in 2011.

IOW, he thinks it is still Kim Jong-il

4/18/2017 11:19:14 PM

NyM410
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https://twitter.com/jacksondiehl/status/854763174729482251

Not sure there is another way to interpret this series of quotes from Pence aside from regime change. Or unification.

4/19/2017 2:38:02 PM

A Tanzarian
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This Carl Vinson shit is hilarious.

4/19/2017 7:20:48 PM

TerdFerguson
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^^saber-rattling tuff guy talk? That's an interpretation.

^***Benny Hill theme begins playing***

4/19/2017 8:12:47 PM

tulsigabbard
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Here is a list of relevant events that may help you understand DPRK's behaviours.

1940s

US: Develops nuclear weapons
US: Uses nuclear weapons on two large population centers
US: Tests nuclear weapons on Pacific Islanders

1950s

US: Invades and occupies Korea for economic gain
US: Tests hundreds of nuclear weapons in open air
US: Overthrows governments in several communist and socialist countries around the world

Last Few decades

Libya: Develops nuclear weapons, experiences economic boom and gives them away
Korea: Sung starts developing nuclear weapons with hopes of insuring the security of his country after his death
Pakistan and India: Develop nuclear weapons
US: Calls Iran, iraq, and Korea evil
US: Invades Iraq for no reason and completely destroys the country
Korea: Announces nuclear capability
Israel: Non-compliant with nuclear treaty
India: Non-compliant with nuclear terety
Pakistan: Non-compliant with nuclear treaty
US: "OMG Korea can't have nuclear weapons because they are crazy and irresponsible"

2010s

US: Topples Libyan Government
Libya: Taken over by ISIS
US: We can't let Korea get an evil weapon (like the ones we have thousands of)
US: A preemptive strike is not off the table to keep them from gaining power
US: "I'm sending an Armada towards Korea"
Korea: "We can sink American ships"
US: OMG STOP PROVOKING US

[Edited on April 24, 2017 at 9:41 AM. Reason : l]

4/24/2017 9:38:29 AM

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Does NK even have the capability to sink a US carrier?

They'd have to find it first. That requires what? Coastal radar (carrier likely out of range), aircraft reconnaissance, space-based reconnaissance, or something else? Do they have those assets?

If they can find the carrier they have to be able to throw enough ordnance at it to overwhelm the anti-air and anti-missile defenses. Does NK have enough aircraft with sufficient strike range? Do they have guided missiles?

I suppose subs could do it but they'd have to be quiet and likely numerous.

4/24/2017 3:55:30 PM

0EPII1
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^^ Can I marry you?

4/24/2017 5:11:15 PM

dtownral
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so war tomorrow, right?

4/25/2017 4:48:06 PM

eleusis
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why, cause Best Korea shot some cannons and the US made one of our stealth submarines not-so-stealthy? Do you think that the submarine may have docked so that it could load up on Kimchi and Guk before making them extinct?

4/25/2017 5:22:20 PM

AndyMac
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Probably because the entire senate is going to the white house tomorrow, and last time that happened we went to war in Iraq.

4/25/2017 5:56:23 PM

dtownral
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^

plus all the media drumbeating, pence's language in SK, china shutting down roads and rails to the border, etc...

4/25/2017 6:01:53 PM

tulsigabbard
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This war just can't happen but it seems like it will. I don't know how to explain it or what they are trying to get out of us with the media coverage but it would certainly be a generation killer of greater magnitude than Iraq or Vietnam. It won't happen I'm going to study the markets tomorrow to confirm key indicators that the war is NOT going to happen. It can't happen. All rhetoric to distract us from something else.

Not that its happening but if it is:

Are we ready to drop every issue and organise the largest disruptive protest the world has ever seen?
Is canada going to close their border?
Is amazon going to set an account limit for potassium iodate?

4/25/2017 6:22:25 PM

eleusis
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it's just a ruse to get the Winter Olympics back in Salt Lake City in 2018.

4/25/2017 6:28:21 PM

NyM410
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^^ just for a lol can you outline the leading indicators for a war with NK would be?

4/25/2017 6:38:36 PM

tulsigabbard
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That information would be worth a lot of money and I think it would be unethical to disclose such information online. If I believed in the system of exploiting regression analysis for profit over morals, I'd be a proud capitalist working on wall street.

4/25/2017 7:31:30 PM

dtownral
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You can post what you read on r/esist, it's not secret

4/25/2017 9:05:10 PM

moron
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Could be a spectacle, it's how Trump has run the presidency so far-- from one empty spectacle to the next.

Flynn facing criminal charges could be damaging. At they very least it shows the abysmal judgement of Trump to put someone Obama fired, who was so fundamentally compromised, into his inner circle.

If somehow Trump were given go ahead for a major war, this would be a travesty and a epic historical blunder.

4/26/2017 12:37:58 AM

JT3bucky
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He's just flexing his muscles at the moment...and NK is buying it.

Trump is still a showman.

4/26/2017 3:12:45 AM

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I hope he says "You're fired" every time he launches a missile, just like Schwarzenegger at the end of True Lies.

4/26/2017 11:24:30 AM

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^^ are they buying it, or playing off of it?

realistically, they have a LOT less to lose, it doesn't make sense to play chicken with them.

[Edited on April 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM. Reason : ]

4/26/2017 1:00:17 PM

tulsigabbard
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Yep. I ran the numbers and everything checked out. There's no imminent war.

4/26/2017 1:23:32 PM

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4/26/2017 1:27:05 PM

NyM410
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The Earl war portfolio must be underperforming today.

4/26/2017 1:57:37 PM

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4/26/2017 3:17:46 PM

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"Another senator leaves N. Korea briefing confused: "I’m still unclear what kind of briefing this was" -- whether it was classified or not."

https://mobile.twitter.com/edatpost/status/857338306316693504

"CORKER on North Korea briefing at WH: "It was an OK briefing"

Q: What do you mean, you didn't really learn much?

CORKER: "I--it was OK...""
https://mobile.twitter.com/frankthorp/status/857338341662052353

"Senator tells me no indication of any imminent action regarding North Korea. Efforts underway to prevent accidental provocations"
https://mobile.twitter.com/KellyO/status/857345151735345153

Spectacle

[Edited on April 26, 2017 at 5:34 PM. Reason : ]

4/26/2017 5:32:27 PM

tulsigabbard
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^Told you.

The aggressive nation led by a madman just successfully tested an ICBM . I wonder if this will lead to any new sanctions or if the world will just sit back as the program grows..

4/26/2017 7:57:39 PM

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Quote :
""When it comes to missile testing, the U.S. is operating with a clear double standard," David Krieger, president of the peace foundation, said in the group's statement, according to sfgate.com. "It views its own tests as justified and useful, while it views the tests of North Korea as threatening and destabilizing.""

4/26/2017 8:48:28 PM

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I'm sure Congress is looking forward to the next dog and pony show.

4/26/2017 9:57:29 PM

tulsigabbard
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Aggressive regime tests 2nd nuclear capable ICBM in less than a week!
This sort of saber rattling may be grounds for a preemptive strike against the brutal leader.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/politics/air-force-test-icbm/index.html
The mysterious leader may sense his power slipping and with internal problems brewing, he could make more aggressive moves to galvanize support

5/3/2017 10:09:35 PM

dtownral
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don't worry guys, the cia is sending lumberjacks after him

5/5/2017 1:29:35 PM

tulsigabbard
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Targeted assassinations are illegal. Biochemical weapons are also banned right? The Chinese are the leading trading partner of this oppressive regime and I'm wondering if after learning about this assassination plot, if they will proceed with sanctions are at the very least, minimize the amount of trade and loans they have propping up the regime.

This combined with the two ICBM tests in the last two weeks is really calling for a preemptive strike. The madman is getting older and possibly demented. He really is a danger to peace everywhere at this time and is completely unpredictable. Something must be done soon!

[Edited on May 5, 2017 at 5:58 PM. Reason : k]

5/5/2017 5:56:29 PM

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