1/4/2013 11:50:18 AM

i saw this case - shitheads

1/4/2013 11:51:24 AM

Jackasses

Also

In this day and age of social media and everything having the propensity to make its way online, I don't understand how anyone lets themselves be recorded saying shit like this.

1/4/2013 11:53:57 AM

"rape" is such a powerful word

1/4/2013 12:03:45 PM

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"In mid-2012, Steubenville Ohio players on the Big Red High School football team drugged a 16-year-old girl, urinated on her unconscious body, dragged and paraded her around at parties, and raped her. Most of the culprits went uncharged, but Anonymous is trying to change that. On August 11, 2012 players Trent Mays and Malik Richmond were arrested and charged with kidnapping and rape. But the police forgot to arrest the other 3 players against whom ample evidence exists. Disgusted students and more scrupled players on the football team alerted a cell within Anonymous called "KnightSec," who expertly unearthed the coverup in typically fervent Anonymous fashion: The coverup extends not just from players to the parents of players, but all the way to the prosecuting goddamn attorney on this case (Jane Hanlin) whose son plays on the Big Red team. School officials were in on the coverup as well as the county sheriff (Fred Abdalla) who refuses to prosecute players who witnessed the crime and failed to report it and who thus violated the law of Misprision of felony. For instance, the cavalier and clear-cut admission by Michael Colin Nadianos in this disturbing video, was incredibly not considered compelling evidence by Sheriff Abdalla or prosecuting attorney Hanlin: The two players charged with rape are Trent Mays and Malik Richmond. But these are players who have so far GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT: Michael Colin Nodianos: The guy in the video above bragging about the crimes and joking about the victim. Charlie Keenan: Son of prosecuting attorney Jane Hanlin, host of one of the parties to which the victim was dragged. Tips indicate that he helped drag the victim and took video of the attack on her (the video was mysteriously deleted). Cody Saltsman: Ex-boyfriend of the victim, Cody sent text messages to many people reading, “nobody breaks up with Cody Saltsman, Ill ruin that bitch” one month before the rape. A few weeks later, his best friend, Trent Mays, convinced the victim that Trent was interested in her and that she should go to the party where she was eventually victimized. Saltsman tweeted the following:"

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/post/steubenville-covers-for-its-high-school-football-stars-rapists/

1/4/2013 1:48:09 PM

^^yeh, I prefer Unauthorized vaginal access.

1/4/2013 4:19:24 PM

Auto Response: This issue does not involve enough guns to warrant serious discussion.

1/4/2013 6:13:04 PM

that's the end of these guys

1/4/2013 7:36:24 PM

She's deader than *names a name dead person*

she got raped quicker than *names someone who got raped*

thats just stupid. not only is this dude in no sense of the word funny. he runs that uninteresting shit into the ground

1/4/2013 8:23:56 PM

tons more info here:

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

1/4/2013 8:37:16 PM

(trigger warning)

1/4/2013 9:02:51 PM

Sometimes, jokes are funny precisely because they're horrible and stupid. Like, the funny part isn't the joke but just how awful it is. It seems really unwise to allow a moment like this to be filmed, and his attitude does indicate something about our society that is worth examining, but it doesn't seem right to single him out. (And I definitely hope nobody was filming when I was drunk and laughing hysterically at my own Eight Belles jokes.)

Now I couldn't actually watch the whole video because this guy is so very obnoxious...but did he really confess to taking part in a crime? Also, do dudes normally scratch their crotches that aggressively in front of each other?

1/4/2013 11:03:13 PM

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"Now I couldn't actually watch the whole video because this guy is so very obnoxious"

i agree, i was gonna do a too long; didnt watch

then i read up on it and hope these guys go to prison and get their buttholes split open hundreds of times

1/4/2013 11:14:50 PM

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"that's the end of these guys"

1/4/2013 11:36:51 PM

ok maybe i will

1/5/2013 12:45:22 AM

Horrible, horrible pieces of shit

1/5/2013 1:32:29 AM

I'm not a lawyer, and I hope all rapist burn in hell, but how damning is this video? This dumbass appears to be in an idiotic drunken rant, not of sound mind. I mean, what if he said he flew to the moon yesterday, does that mean he actually did...there is no proof. I read the website, and the girl didn't go to get physically checked the next morning (she was talked out of it?), so all evidence is gone. Now, we have a he said/she said, which is really tough to prove in court, so I hear. If these guys did what she says, I too hope they spend many years getting violated in prison, but I believe it may be a tough case to prove, especially if eye witnesses are not coming forward.

1/7/2013 2:56:48 AM

One or two of the guys in the backgrounds mention the accused by name. I believe one of the lines was, "They raped that girl" and they kept saying Trent and Malik. One of the guys in the background was really upset and trying to call one of them over and over. I think he intended on going over there but I'm not sure if he ever did. I think if they have someone come out and spill the beans, it would be that guy. If you watch the video he's the one saying he had a little sister.

1/7/2013 7:03:17 AM

^^It's not a "he said/she said" situation because she's not saying what happened. She can't say because she was unconscious. There are photographs that seem to confirm that she was unconscious and numerous witnesses that can confirm it, too. There are also witnesses who admit that sexual contact with the unconscious victim took place in their presence.

From what we can tell, Trent Mays, and later Malik Richmond, toted this girl around to multiple locations in various states of undress and openly assaulted her, as onlookers took pictures and tweeted about it.

How did you get "he said/she said" from any of this?

1/7/2013 8:28:06 AM

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"(trigger warning)"

no fucking shit, the title of the thread is "Rape jokes"

1/7/2013 8:57:25 AM

^^That sounds a wee bit sassier than I intended. My bad.

1/7/2013 9:18:10 AM

I too hold my phone the wrong way when recording video drunk.

1/7/2013 11:14:54 AM

Stuebenville Oh

Douchebag Capital of the World!

1/7/2013 11:31:29 AM

Snap

1/7/2013 11:33:35 AM

i don't know bridget, i didn't read it about the sexual contact happening openly in front of witnesses (well, witnesses that are talking anyways). i did read that there were the several parties that she was dragged to, and others saw her in a drunken/drugged state. it seemed the sexual conduct was happening behind closed doors. i just wish she had of gone to get checked the next morning to provide further evidence, and taken her urine soaked clothes for testing as well. 5 or 6 different specimens documented would definitely have put a nail in this coffin. and, i didn't take your comment in a 'sassy' way. i just really wanted some feedback on how damning this video is.

1/7/2013 2:06:53 PM

Rape is no joke it costs farmers countless amounts in crop yield per year

1/7/2013 2:08:37 PM

1/7/2013 2:21:11 PM

1/7/2013 5:50:04 PM

That picture seems suspect, what are the sources of evidence?

1/7/2013 5:58:29 PM

^ got it at http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/07/the-saddest-graph-youll-see-today/

It's from the Enliven Project:
http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-about-false-accusation/

Which cites its sources as:

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"Statistics from Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2006-2010 and FBI reports"

1/7/2013 6:02:17 PM

The main issue I have is that the "falsely accused" should be in the "reported" square, since the falsely accused are all a subset of those who are reported and not some nebulous and undefined number of "rapists"

Also since not every rape that faced trial ended in jail time, does it just assume that everyone who wasn't convicted just got away with it?

And how exactly do they get the information as to how many people are raped but don't report it?

1/7/2013 6:13:57 PM

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" * Some reports suggest that only 5-25% of rapes are reported to authorities. Other suggest that close to half are reported. We assumed 10%, which is dramatic, but possible. * Of the rapes that are reported, approximately 9 are prosecuted. * Of the prosecuted, 5 result in felony convictions. This is across the board for all felony prosecutions, not just rape. * Assuming that 2% of reported rapes are false and a 10% reporting rate, the graphic assumes that 2 of 1000 rapes are falsely reported (assuming a rape can’t be falsely reported unless it’s reported in the first place) "

Why would they lump fasle accusations with reported? They're two different crimes, and the point of this graph is to illustrate the difference. Though I posted it here because I found it interesting as to how many rapes end in jail-time.

I think the danger in some of the wording for the data is that "Falsely Accused" (The men in black) referes to men who are accused of rape when no rape actually occurred (Duke Lacrosse), where as the statistic that faced trial but didn't end in a conviction could be as the result of the wrong man being accused, as well as a myriad of things that can go wrong to end with a guilty party going free, but a rape did occur.

Feel free to dig into the links I posted for better understanding of the data. I saw it, spent about 15 seconds on it (as most graphics are intended) and posted it here as relevant information.

Also, how is it a thread titled "Rape Jokes" doesn't have a single Daniel Tosh reference?

[Edited on January 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2013 6:29:45 PM

They put faced charges into the reported category instead of separating it out, why wouldn't they do the same with falsely accused?

so they just made up the number of rapes, that is kind of what I figured.

EDIT: Also the point of this graph (maybe not officially) is to provide a tool to handwave away the possibility that a certain rape might be a false accusation, so people can post this and say "look, only .2 percent of rapes are falsely reported!". But that would be an incorrect use of statistics, since whatever the case in question is has already been reported and thus the chance that it's falsely reported is back up to 2%.

[Edited on January 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2013 6:47:36 PM

^The number of unreported rapes appears to be gleaned from a big survey they've been doing since the 1940s. And the "faced trial," "reported," and "jailed" men supposedly represent actual rapes that happened, which is why the "falsely accused" ones are separated out (they don't represent actual rapes that happened).

Obviously, they've manipulated and combined numbers from multiple sources, and the consistency is questionable. Ultimately, I don't think the "point" of the infographic is worth the leap. False accusations of rape and unreported rapes are two separate issues, and they should be treated that way.

If somebody gets falsely accused of rape, there is nothing helpful or enlightening about the fact that a whole bunch of other rapes go unreported. And, if a victim is pressing legitimate charges against a perpetrator, there's also nothing helpful in knowing that a whole bunch of other rapes go unreported. They're just not related.

Of course, they are related as they speak to our perceptions of rape. But most people, as far as I can tell, wouldn't even agree that all those little pale-colored figures really meet their definition of what a rape is...so that infographic is way too advanced to actually persuade anybody.

[Edited on January 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/7/2013 6:54:04 PM

^^
Reported/Faced Trial/Jailed = A man put his penis into a woman without her consent

Falsely Accused = A woman lied about being raped. Someone was accused of a crime that didn't happen.

1/7/2013 6:59:22 PM

^ Then the falsely accused should be on its own line above or below and not incorporated into the graph at all.

[Edited on January 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM. Reason : Also does the chart include statutory?]

1/7/2013 7:05:57 PM

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"But that would be an incorrect use of statistics, since whatever the case in question is has already been reported and thus the chance that it's falsely reported is back up to 2%."

It's worse than that. We don't even know what constitutes a report or a false accusation. False accusations aren't always pursued as false accusations, and they definitely aren't documented/prosecuted at any significant rate. In fact, police openly avoid pursuing false accusers...so are those two black figures just the ones that have been legally pursued?

Also, I could start a thread that's like "ATTN: TWW females...raise your hand if you have had sex when you were drunk?" Then I could make an infographic showing that 98% of TWW females have been raped. Or I could ask how many times in the last year has it happened...and make a chart showing that rape is rampant among women who use the Internet.

1/7/2013 7:10:47 PM

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"police openly avoid pursuing false accusers"

I believe this is the point the chart is trying to make. In a lot of rape cases, authorities (which can include administrative officials at universities, elected officials, etc. in addition to police) will side with the accused over the victim. This appears to be the case in Steubenville as well as the reports at Notre Dame (http://ncronline.org/news/accountability/reported-sexual-assault-notre-dame-campus-leaves-more-questions-answers.

It seems that in a lot of cases, unless a woman is covered in bruises and dripping bodily fluids, it's either not worth the time to investigate, or it's assumed she's trying to extort something from her assaulter or seek some vengeance.

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"does the chart include statutory"

I don't see how this is relevant. Rape is Rape whether the girl is underage, passed out, bound and gagged or drugged.

1/7/2013 8:37:58 PM

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"I don't see how this is relevant. Rape is Rape whether the girl is underage, passed out, bound and gagged or drugged."

Except when rape in one state is consensual sex in another.

1/7/2013 8:39:10 PM

It's still rape as far as the law (and the FBI and DOJ) is concerned. It's not like if I smoke pot in NC it's any less illegal because it's legal in CO.

1/7/2013 8:44:09 PM

I don't understand why someone people are shocked she didn't leave her urine/semen stained clothes on her. If you found your daughter in your front yard passed out covered in god knows what, what would be your first instinct? Probably to wash it off. Some do remember not to take off their clothes or take a shower because of evidence but I would me willing to bet many victims just want the stuff off them.

1/7/2013 8:46:03 PM

^I think a big part of that problem is that what's best for the person to recover from a tragedy like rape or even violent assaults is counter intuitive to what's best for investigators.

If a woman wants justice, she should do her best to preserve evidence and be prepared to relive the event over and over again through hospitals, police stations, lawyers office and court rooms. If she wants to come to terms with it and seek a healthy mental state again, she has to clean up, seek counseling and put it behind her.

1/7/2013 8:58:20 PM

http://www.wral.com/prosecutor-ohio-school-rape-victim-didn-t-consent/12217745/

3/13/2013 4:54:02 PM

Don't turn this rape into a murder

Don't turn this kidnapping into a rape

3/13/2013 7:52:05 PM

All I wanted to do was rape the bitch and snatch her purse

Now I wanna kill her

But yo I gotta catch her first

3/13/2013 8:54:40 PM

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"digitally penetrating"

3/14/2013 10:58:58 AM

GUILTY OF RAPE...

Note to potential rapist. DIGITAL PENETRATION IS RAPE!!!

It must suck to get a rape charge and never get your dick wet.

3/17/2013 11:01:19 AM

they probably actually raped her too

3/17/2013 11:12:42 AM

But you would think a woman can wake up and tell if she had been "raped" or digitally penetrated? I'd imagine the vag feels different after rough sex.

3/17/2013 11:27:41 AM