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moron
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^ I don't think anyone is against updates, but the PS3 seems to have more than any other system, and they seem to take far longer to download and install than any other system.

Any new game out of the box has required an hour or so of updates to get running for me.

It has been pretty atrocious... not to mention the data rate of the blu ray drive was lower than comparable regular DVD drives on the market. The PS3 was an agonizing system, relatively speaking, in terms of updates. No one can deny this.

The PS4 looks like it addresses these issues. It seems to be a solid system IMO, and I'd definitely be interested in snagging one. We'll see what MS has up its sleeve though.

2/21/2013 7:47:07 PM

El Nachó
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^That's because nobody from Sony seems to know what the fuck a delta update is.

I got a free copy of Pain when I bought my PS3, and as such, it's one of the only games that I have access to, and every single time they release a small update to the game I have to download 3.4 GB of data, even if the only thing they changed was the picture on a billboard.

2/21/2013 8:12:42 PM

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how many TWWers are gonna buy a PS4 just for MLB: The Show 2014

2/21/2013 8:46:49 PM

Wyloch
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So, did not watch but read a bunch of coverage. Still can't tell if this will be good for PC gaming or not...seems like less compromise on the horsepower side of things at least for the first few years, but introducing even more stupid gimmick peripherals.

I guess for the first time I realise I'm gettin old. Social media integration in gaming? Distracting, useless, further destruction of the hobby. More and more online dependence? They better be ready to imburse me for every second their servers go down and I cannot access my owned property -already experienced it several times with Steam.

[Edited on February 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2013 8:59:44 PM

elkaybie
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played on jimmy Fallon last night--still didn't show the console lol

2/22/2013 8:06:48 AM

Jeepin4x4
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wtf is up with this terrible "share" button on the controller.


i just killed 20 n00bs on call of duty at 11:30 on a friday night. let me tell all of my facebook friends why i don't have a girlfriend

2/22/2013 8:09:36 AM

dyne
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I'll just venture a guess here.

Lately, people keep advertising a "twitch.tv" feed of them playing a certain video game (mostly PC related). Usually these are people who are so called revered at said games, and a bunch of basement dwellers seem to like to spend hours watching these video game wizards play games instead of actually playing them themselves.

2/22/2013 9:19:47 AM

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I wouldn't mind it being easy to share some of my online Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 matches to critique myself and have other players give me tips.

2/22/2013 9:41:42 AM

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"I guess for the first time I realise I'm gettin old. "


I've felt this way for a long time about games. I feel like I'm going all John McCain getting all grumpy as games appeal more to the casual audience. Just got finished with Ni No Kuni and they would tell you the weakness of each boss. Sadness.

2/22/2013 10:28:00 AM

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"every single time they release a small update to the game I have to download 3.4 GB of data, even if the only thing they changed was the picture on a billboard."



Word. I'm sick of system updates when just trying to watch a blu-ray... and they made it so you can't auto-update without paying... and they only recently fixed it so you download and install the update all in one transaction. How ridiculous is it to basically lock the user out of doing even basic actions in the system until they manually download an update, then prompt them if they would like to install the update - otherwise they can't do shit.

/vent

2/22/2013 11:05:52 AM

Jeepin4x4
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jesus what games are you guys playing? and how long in between using your PS3? the updates aren't that bad

2/22/2013 11:14:44 AM

jakis
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updates took forever to download when i had att dsl

pretty quick with twc

2/22/2013 1:59:45 PM

packboozie
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"how many TWWers are gonna buy a PS4 just for MLB: The Show 2014"


<---- This guy. The Show is easily the best sports game going.

2/22/2013 3:42:58 PM

AndyMac
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So the console is pretty ugly

And the steampunk werewolf hunter game looks a little sketchy

[Edited on June 10, 2013 at 10:11 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2013 9:55:13 PM

skeeter
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^Agreed the console itself is hideous.

6/10/2013 10:07:41 PM

skeeter
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Mad Max and Watch Dogs look pretty good. NO restrictions on used games...thumbs up.

6/10/2013 10:42:25 PM

nothing22
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yeah that's a major win

6/10/2013 10:43:28 PM

AndyMac
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Sounds like PS+ is gonna be required for PS4 multiplayer

[Edited on June 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2013 10:46:18 PM

skeeter
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I'm not sure I will have to do some research on that

Yea looks as if you are right. That kind of sucks but hell we already have to pay to play online with Xbox. That is kind of disappointing that Playstation is going that route. However I really am not all that surprised when you look at how much Microsoft makes off of Xbox Live, it was only a matter of time before Sony decided to do the same thing.



[Edited on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2013 10:48:20 PM

AndyMac
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They said people who don't have PS+ will still have access to singleplayer and media services.

6/10/2013 10:49:09 PM

skeeter
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At $399 I'm sold. I am a huge Xbox fan boy, but I was not at all impressed with Xbox One. The announcements they made about PS4 has convinced me.

[Edited on June 10, 2013 at 11:07 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2013 11:02:54 PM

wawebste
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gonna be a lot of xbox defectors to ps4

6/10/2013 11:04:42 PM

AndyMac
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The no used games thing is nice but every good game they showed was multiplatform besides Infamous.

I'll probably get an xbox at launch, then a PS4 next year when there are actually a lot of used games to buy.

Does the 399 version include the Eye? I read a rumor that there will be multiple PS4 price points.

6/10/2013 11:10:38 PM

skeeter
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Hadn't heard that I will have to look into it. I don't really have much use for the eye so if it is just a console at 399 that is fine with me. I am not completely ruling out Xbox One but I will most definitely not be buying one at launch. It will probably be a year or so before I pull the trigger on One.

[Edited on June 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM. Reason : spelling]

6/10/2013 11:15:00 PM

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"Sounds like PS+ is gonna be required for PS4 multiplayer"


heh, yeah, I like how he slipped that in there hoping no one would notice

6/10/2013 11:20:11 PM

ShinAntonio
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I was at work so I didn't get to watch the Microsoft conference, but the summations I've read make it sound like Sony just kicked their ass. I mean, it's not even close at the moment. The indie games they showed off (which are multiplatform, but still) look more interesting than most of the stuff during the Xbox One conference.

And the used games and $400 price point are just icing on the cake.

6/10/2013 11:26:20 PM

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and people are going crazy about it. they should realize it is the right thing to do. 360 killed the PS3 with their online multiplayer. i never used multiplayer on PS3 because it was terrible. it was easily worth $50 a year to have the 360 multiplayer vs the ps3.

6/10/2013 11:38:45 PM

skeeter
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I'm not upset at all about having to pay to play online. Xbox Live was far better than Playstation Network. Anybody that didn't see Sony starting to charge to play online was crazy. Would it of been nice for it to stay free? Sure it would have. But I never experienced outages on Xbox Live like I have on Playstation Network.



[Edited on June 10, 2013 at 11:59 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2013 11:45:02 PM

Fry
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the most important thing is that sony delivers on the end user experience. xbox live is far from perfect (ad-dominated dashboard even for paying xbox live, wtf?). if sony can build a solid, consistent multiplayer experience they'll have a hard time making enough ps4's and the subscription will be a non-issue.

otherwise? derp.

6/11/2013 12:12:46 AM

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Ok I didn't get to watch the ps4 part. Can someone reveal to me the mind blowing awesomeness that has people saying Microsoft got killed? Other than price point, and the whole used games thing (which to me is nothing) what did Sony do so much better?

6/11/2013 12:34:24 AM

AndyMac
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That was pretty much it.

I thought MS games looked much more fun TBH. Oh and lots of JRPG fans got a kick out of Final Fantasy and that one with Disney characters.

6/11/2013 12:37:08 AM

BigT716
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

6/11/2013 7:33:15 AM

sand robot
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hahA

6/11/2013 8:33:48 AM

Jeepin4x4
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does PS+ mean dedicated servers FINALLY!?

6/11/2013 8:45:36 AM

BigMan157
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i wonder if places like gamestop will throw more advertising might toward PS4 over the XBone?

6/11/2013 8:52:13 AM

AndyMac
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It's funny how many Sony fans are suddenly coming out of the woodwork to admit the 360 had much better multiplayer. I rarely heard that before, wonder what could have happened?

6/11/2013 8:58:19 AM

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"Can someone reveal to me the mind blowing awesomeness that has people saying Microsoft got killed? Other than price point, and the whole used games thing (which to me is nothing) what did Sony do so much better?"


Xbox One requires an always on internet connection, PS4 doesn't. That seems to be getting a lot of attention.

This picture is bouncing around twitter like crazy:


I probably won't be getting either console, but I have already heard a few of my XBox360 friends talking about making the switch for the new consoles.

6/11/2013 9:02:20 AM

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On the whole I've thought that the PSN hasn't been that bad, especially given that it's free. However I've been involved in two big online bootings within the last 10 days and it's been pissing off me and my gaming community as well. Got a 3 1/2 hour race coming up this weekend and I'm gonna start breaking stuff if I get disco'd after 2 hours.

6/11/2013 9:08:24 AM

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pre-ordered a ps4 last night out of principle. i usually have a pretty strong xbox lean, but microsoft has its head up its ass.

6/11/2013 9:15:52 AM

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have they even demonstrated all of the PS4 features and shown how it works yet? I thought they just announced the controller. Can it multi-task like the XBone?

[Edited on June 11, 2013 at 9:34 AM. Reason : well controller plus these games at E3]

6/11/2013 9:31:52 AM

TKE-Teg
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I'll probably buy a PS4. But no plans to do so within at least 1.5-2 years from now.

6/11/2013 9:48:21 AM

LudaChris
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Been an XBox supporter since my PS2 died and I switched to XBox and then XBox 360. Thinking about jumping back to PS4 now, Microsoft is killing itself with terrible decisions.

6/11/2013 9:51:19 AM

dtownral
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but except for knowing that the PS4 will allow you to buy used games, what else do we even know about the PS4? I didn't think we had even seen video of it the menus or it working yet.

6/11/2013 10:04:46 AM

BigT716
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The Division Gameplay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O_j9uKBmUEk

The actors trying to come off as a group of casual players is slightly annoying. The graphics are crazy...

The last line of the video is what really blows it out of the water.



[Edited on June 11, 2013 at 10:14 AM. Reason : Apparently this is multiplatform, not PS4 exclusive.]

6/11/2013 10:10:20 AM

Jader
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have a 360, never got a ps3. def getting a ps4.

6/11/2013 10:32:56 AM

gunzz
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^^ sony/ign posted the menu vid in Feb 2013



[Edited on June 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM. Reason : sdf]

6/11/2013 10:35:29 AM

dtownral
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ew, that's ugly

6/11/2013 10:44:34 AM

ViolentMAW
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Well this may be it for me. I refuse to pay for online play on top of my already expensive internet. PC gaming here I may come. Casuals ruined console gaming. Time to move on.

6/11/2013 10:50:38 AM

dtownral
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well then you won't be playing multiplayer,you will have to pay for PS+ for that. (required for Netflix too?)

[Edited on June 11, 2013 at 10:52 AM. Reason : nevermind, misread your post]

6/11/2013 10:52:33 AM

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"(required for Netflix too?)"


no. streaming services and single player do not require PS+

6/11/2013 11:02:23 AM

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