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6/14/2014 9:57:56 AM

Oh look....another thread about tipping.

6/14/2014 10:17:03 AM

yah this is already being discussed in the 2398742396 other tipping threads.

you gotta come original brah.

6/14/2014 10:51:11 AM

good, no need to pay more for service anyway, that's the job they were hired for, I shouldn't have to pay for it

the menu price of the food is all I should have to pay.


p.s. look at the comments on the article, lolz
about like a tww thread (i.e. everyone is an expert, and if you don't agree with me you're a moron)

6/14/2014 10:58:40 AM

^ are you going to bitch when they raise the price on the menu 10-20% to cover wages for staff?

6/14/2014 12:54:06 PM

^^ are you going to be happy getting the same level of service you get at Walmart? because if you guarantee the servers a minimum wage, what's the incentive for good service? then they're not going to worry about your table, but rather the guy who slipped a $10 bill underneath the table and said hey man I know this is a no tipping restaurant but I want to make sure you take care of us

6/14/2014 1:02:42 PM

ibt first "Canadians" reference

6/14/2014 1:27:38 PM

^^if a server was consistently bad any good restaurant manager would quickly have them replaced.

6/14/2014 2:11:21 PM

^i was more referring to the difference in service between someone who's performance is determining their pay versus someone who is guaranteed an hourly wage and just really has to go through the motions. I am not saying service will be terrible but look at the difference in service at a fast food restaurant versus a tipped sit down restaurant.

6/14/2014 3:02:41 PM

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" if a server was consistently bad any good restaurant manager would quickly have them replaced"

No matter what they get paid most food servers would do the minimum to keep their job. That goes for pretty much anyone with the exception of those that either, love their job, love the company, or are seeking advancement.

That said, I think the system in the article is a much better one (at least if they included alcohol sales in that 20%) than what we have here. I think most costumers would prefer to not deal with tip, even knowing it means a higher food cost.

6/14/2014 3:10:58 PM

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"if a server was consistently bad any good restaurant manager would quickly have them replaced"

Glad I always had bad managers when I waited tables

6/14/2014 3:41:02 PM

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"^ are you going to bitch when they raise the price on the menu 10-20% to cover wages for staff?"

nah, I will just use the company credit card as always

6/14/2014 5:24:54 PM

It has pros and cons. It's like this in the UK, but service can be hit or miss, but not necessarily any more than it is in the U.S. Maybe less attentive, but I guess I'm not high-demand about that.

6/14/2014 6:33:55 PM

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"if a server was consistently bad any good restaurant manager would quickly have them replaced."

There is no such thing as a good restaurant manager. They are like unicorns.

6/15/2014 10:49:15 AM

embed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iloou5pWEJ0&feature=kp

6/15/2014 12:14:14 PM

I've always had good managers at the restaurants I was at. The only problem is there are usually ~5 other managers who are completely incompetent and make the lone good manager feel suicidal.

6/15/2014 12:23:54 PM

I could see waiters being salaried employees at high end restaurants.

This would never work at red lobster

So I just read the article. Most people I know that wait tables make a couple hundred a shift. This model seems shitty

[Edited on June 15, 2014 at 11:15 PM. Reason : M]

6/15/2014 11:13:12 PM

this is so dumb.

no one would work in a restaurant if they made $10 an hour. if you work at a busy place, you're making $20-30 an hour easily (if not more)

6/16/2014 2:12:24 PM

^ did you miss this part:

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"OR 20% of their individual food sales during their shifts–whichever amount is higher"

Seems like YOU are the dumb one.

6/16/2014 2:21:33 PM

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6/17/2014 10:33:53 AM

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"if you guarantee the servers a minimum wage, what's the incentive for good service? "

i don't buy this argument.

for starters, one could apply that logic to say no one who is salaried has incentive to perform well because they are guaranteed a set wage.

secondly, waiters and waitresses are basically guaranteed 20% because people see that as the price. people are so afraid of being shamed as bad tippers that they rarely will tip below 18% even if they receive less than average service, leaving relatively little room to motivate a server to perform superior service.

6/17/2014 11:42:24 AM

Yeah I don't get the whole bad service thing. If I get bad service at a place I tend to not keep going there. If an owner is seeing bad service from waitstaff he's gonna have to correct that otherwise he's going to be out of business.

I'd just assume pay these people a real wage and build it into the bill.

6/17/2014 11:47:44 AM

that is one thing i missed in the article...are they increasing the price of their food? i would assume so but it wasn't explicitly stated.

6/17/2014 11:51:55 AM

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"are you going to be happy getting the same level of service you get at Walmart? because if you guarantee the servers a minimum wage, what's the incentive for good service? then they're not going to worry about your table, but rather the guy who slipped a $10 bill underneath the table and said hey man I know this is a no tipping restaurant but I want to make sure you take care of us"

From what I've read... thus far, service at no topping establishments has been seen as improved. Not sure what type/level of restaurants that includes, but I think your blanket argument is shortsighted.

6/17/2014 12:14:58 PM

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"this is so dumb. no one would work in a restaurant if they made $10 an hour. if you work at a busy place, you're making $20-30 an hour easily (if not more)"

What is so special about working at a restaurant that you think you deserve $20-30 an hour? All you have to do is ask people what they want, tell a cook, and walk your happy ass back to them with their food. Bartenders are even worse, open a damn bottle for $200 a shift. Buncha entitled assholes if you ask me.

[/semi-serious rant]

6/17/2014 12:19:00 PM

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"open a damn bottle for $200 a shift"

That would be a very disappointing shift.

6/17/2014 12:21:05 PM

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" because if you guarantee the servers a minimum wage, what's the incentive for good service?"

they already are guaranteed a minimum wage

6/17/2014 12:41:56 PM

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"if you guarantee the servers a minimum wage, what's the incentive for good service?"

I have had multiple jobs that I tried to provide good service at. This is because I did not want to get fired and wanted raises,promotions,etc. I think most people really want to succeed at work and threatening them with no pay for their work is not a good motivator.

6/17/2014 1:04:59 PM

ALWAYS TIP

6/17/2014 4:13:24 PM