yeah I don't see an issue with one wanting to wear woman's clothes and act like a woman if that is what makes them happy and gives them jollies.

When shit starts turning into chopping off pennies that is where I believe the line is crossed between expressing ones self and a true mental disorder. Either way you should be using the restroom for your biological sex and trans-women for obvious advantage reasons should not be allowed to compete in women's competitive sports.

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BTW sure there are those very few that have the ambiguous sexes due to genetic issues or unexpressed chromosomes but as i stated before those people aren't the ones creating the stink in all the transgender headlines.

11/5/2015 3:55:50 PM

I wish you would spontaneously combust or something. Just die, just burn up first but die. I wish your dog would get cancer and you'd catch it from fucking. I wish there'd be some kind of accidental discharge of a secret dickhead death ray, and you and all your goddamn ilk would melt into the gutters. I wish the Devil would ejaculate up your nose while you sleep so his acid jizz would burn a hole through your fucking eggshell skull. I wish somebody would slap your mama. I wish I could post a JPEG that gave you AIDS. You're a bad, dumb motherfucker. I wish your heart would turn into a spider and drown in its own blood. I wish 9/11 II would hit your house, you fucking idiot, you shitlord, I wish a robot with a gun for a dick would fuck your mouth, because you are a mouthbreather and would suffocate. I hope your toes fall off inside your shoes while you're climbing the stairs and you break your neck. Santa Claus, please jack this turkey-neck son of a bitch in his dinosaur hindbrain until his shitheel eyes roll back in his head and all his toilet bowl ideas come burbling out of his shitheel mouth like Jed Clampett's bubbling crude, now and ever shall, world without end, amen....

11/5/2015 4:20:53 PM

always wild to know that some people take so much pride in their ignorance

11/5/2015 4:23:23 PM

bathrooms ain't for genders. bathrooms is for sexes, k?

[Edited on November 5, 2015 at 4:29 PM. Reason : same with sports]

11/5/2015 4:28:49 PM

bathrooms are for pee-pee and poo-poo afripino

11/5/2015 4:29:32 PM

I guess that means he'd be willing to be a genitalia monitor at local bathroom doors

11/5/2015 4:36:57 PM

Tell me more about how I should repress my natural reaction of disgust when seeing a 60-year old grown man with tits and makeup on the cover of vanity fair because liberalism wants me to. Tell me more about how I must be an ignorant bigot for not supporting a mentally unstable person cutting up their body.

11/5/2015 4:39:24 PM

^^^no shit.

[Edited on November 5, 2015 at 4:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/5/2015 4:41:57 PM

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"Tell me more about how I should repress my natural reaction of disgust when seeing a 60-year old grown man with tits and makeup on the cover of vanity fair because liberalism wants me to. Tell me more about how I must be an ignorant bigot for not supporting a mentally unstable person cutting up their body."

Why bother? I find it humorous that your kids and grandkids will look at you with amused shame (and ironically even disgust) in years to come...like racist grandparents.

11/5/2015 4:48:24 PM

because old people are the only ones that are racist these days. LOL

[Edited on November 5, 2015 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

11/5/2015 4:56:59 PM

Why is it such a big deal for a trans-woman to use the men's room rather then upsetting and potentially making 50% of the population of the opposite gender uncomfortable about having a man in women's restroom. Sure maybe this person identifies as a woman but another lady in the bathroom is not going to know this.

If I saw a transwoman taking a leak in the men's room, while i might find that individual strange, I would respect their right and freedom to dress/act as they want.

11/5/2015 5:36:03 PM

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"Having your sex and gender align seems pretty normal to me, and if that isn't the case I think it would be an abnormal condition."

Good thing you don't get to define what's normal, eh?

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"Tell me more about how I should repress my natural reaction of disgust"

No one else cares about your "natural" (conditioned) reaction. Keep it to yourself.

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"If I saw a transwoman taking a leak in the men's room, while i might find that individual strange, I would respect their right and freedom to dress/act as they want."

I believe this is true in your case, and find it respectable. Unfortunately, a lot of people would choose to physically assault that person.

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Real talk, gender neutral bathrooms equipped only with stalls solve all of these problems.

[Edited on November 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM. Reason : w]

11/5/2015 5:47:18 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/11/05/retired-mlb-star-lance-berkman-declares-tolerance-is-killing-our-country/

[Edited on November 5, 2015 at 8:07 PM. Reason : U]

11/5/2015 8:06:43 PM

tolerance is a bad thing for horrible people, apparently

11/5/2015 8:17:35 PM

I thought testosterone-fueled pro athletes were the leading progressives in this country?

11/5/2015 8:35:05 PM

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"I thought estrogentestosterone-fueled pro athletes were the leading transgendersprogressives in this country?"

11/5/2015 8:44:48 PM

so testosterone causes Conservatism?

11/5/2015 8:49:47 PM

I don't think professional sports locker rooms are all that tolerant of a gay teammate, let alone if your left fielder has a vagina

11/5/2015 9:00:33 PM

because why, exactly?

are you arguing against tolerance?

11/5/2015 9:18:21 PM

I'm simply pointing out the reality of pro sports locker rooms. The fact is, they're not as tolerant in general as someone like yourself. Do you disagree?

11/5/2015 9:22:15 PM

I don't hang out in pro locker rooms, so I have no idea

11/5/2015 9:26:51 PM

Dion Phaneuf, the biggest, dumbest defenseman in the NHL just said that a gay teammate would be welcomed with open arms in any NHL locker room. So there's that.

11/6/2015 1:41:19 AM

I guess we should go with what the dumbest people support then, huh?

11/6/2015 9:08:27 AM

there's also the fun fact that we're older than a majority of professional athletes, who came of age in a completely different era of social awareness when it comes to LGBT issues

11/6/2015 10:17:54 AM

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"No one else cares about your "natural" (conditioned) reaction."

LOL at the "politically correct" crowd saying "conditioned". As if supporting a man mutilating his genitals and body, then killing himself years later, is anything but "conditioned".

You can condition yourself to view Bruce Jenner as a "woman", hell I am sure Michael Jackson conditioned himself to think he looked "normal" after all of his operations. It doesn't change reality, no matter how much liberals want to play make believe and act like chromosomes don't exist.

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"like racist grandparents."

Categorizing any dissonance as hate, classic liberalism. You know what is hateful? Going to a depressed, confused, mentally unstable person in a padded room, and handing them a pair of scissors. If and when they kill themselves, that is evil societies fault. Anything up until then is just "them being them".

11/6/2015 10:48:08 AM

Can we stop associating all this ultra-PC shit and the "Hands Up" crowd with the overall goals of the mainstream liberal movement.

Portland is probably one of the most progressive/liberal major cities in the country. Yet most of those I talk with think all this PC shit has gone too far and while everyone is an ardent supporter of LBGT rights, the majority think it's ridiculous that some are advocating completely altering societies social norms because a few individuals that are male but prefer wearing dresses (or vice-versa) would prefer to use the womens (or mens) restroom.

[Edited on November 6, 2015 at 11:22 AM. Reason : a]

11/6/2015 11:21:44 AM

we get it...you live in Portland. you're like those New Yorkers that can't stop talking about New York.

that said...I agree. this shit is getting out of hand and is starting to become quite contradictory.

11/6/2015 11:30:33 AM

so uhhh sports?

11/6/2015 12:38:27 PM

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"we're older than a majority of professional athletes, who came of age in a completely different era of social awareness when it comes to LGBT issues"

I'm older than Richie Incognito. Why does he casually call his teammates faggots? Oh yeah, because they're fucking professional meatheads, not progressives like you want to project on them based on age

You make it sound like just because kids in a classroom in 2015 are more tolerant of LGBT people than kids in a classroom in 2005 or 1995, that a testosterone filled locker room of alpha males are the same. Seems pretty naive.

[Edited on November 6, 2015 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/6/2015 1:58:20 PM

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"that said...I agree. this shit is getting out of hand and is starting to become quite contradictory. "

hell South Park has made Season 19 dedicated to this as an on-going theme lol

11/6/2015 2:35:05 PM

remember, kids today are the ones who whip out their phones when there's some shit going down so they can post it to <insert_social_media_platform_here> rather than assist people that are in real danger/trouble/etc.

if you think kids today are a shining example of totally open acceptance, you're just as delusional as a man that thinks he can really become a woman.

11/6/2015 2:38:54 PM

kids these days are so much more tolerant and compassionate than older generations.... lol

11/6/2015 3:07:23 PM

lol indeed

11/6/2015 3:19:21 PM

American society is and has been "tolerant" for awhile now, despite the liberal media's attempts to constantly portray every minority subgroup as victims of an "intolerant" society.

The problem is, "tolerance" isn't what is being asked for. Tolerance means you may disagree but you tolerate something you disagree with. Liberalism doesn't allow you to disagree, it wants approval, accommodation, and to be celebrated. Dissonance is hate and bigotry.

11/6/2015 3:20:48 PM

JCE is pretty on-point. Except for some back country places I'd say this country is pretty tolerant. The issue is certain groups have come to the conclusion that there is a new amendment to the constitution that the Right to Never Be Offended.

11/6/2015 3:26:52 PM

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" Maybe some fucked-up testosterone-taking women want to come in the men's locker room and show off how their clits are bigger than your fresh-from-the-pool dick. Are you intimidated by that? It's ok, you can come sit down to pee in the stall next to me. "

I was going to make a joke about Smath's daughter being transgender and taking hormones to develop a giant clit bigger than his dick, but I see I'm late to the party on that topic

11/6/2015 6:15:12 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/opinions/robbins-transgender-bathrooms/index.html

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"This child's gender identity (his sense of himself as a boy) is different from his assigned sex at birth, which was female. This student is in the process of completing a social transition from a girl to a boy. Social transition means that he now lives as a boy and is being referred to by his preferred name and with male pronouns. He now lives as a boy at home and in all aspects of his life in our community. He will return to 4th grade ... in the fall as a boy. We fully support this student in his transition."

This is complete bullshit...
I fail to believe a 9/10 year old is mature enough physically, mentally, emotionally to be able to make such decision.
Honestly it sounds like any other girl with 3 older brothers they wants to be a boy then after witnessing the Bruce Jenner crap they decided that they should transition to actually be a boy.

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"Which brings me to the schools in Illinois, Wisconsin, and across our nation that are actively discriminating against transgender students by denying them access to the bathrooms and locker rooms where they feel most comfortable"

Seems like WI is doing the right thing!

To put this in perspective we are fighting to remove abstinence only education and keep evolution in the classroom. Fighting against the Christian right tooth and nail. Yet CNN runs these opeds pushing for 10 yr old girls to be given a free pass to use the boys bathroom because they feel like being a boy.

[Edited on November 10, 2015 at 1:19 AM. Reason : K]

11/10/2015 1:13:21 AM

yeah, sounds like someone is confusing being a tomboy with being an actual boy.

11/10/2015 9:39:23 AM

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"I fail to believe"

At least you've identified the problem lies with a failure on your part. Next step is trying to succeed, never give up! Good luck!

11/10/2015 9:55:36 AM

^Zing! Ooh....burn! You really got him on that one. Such snark.

I wonder...has this child had "the talk" yet? Do they really know the future ramifications of their "gender reassignment"?

11/10/2015 10:19:02 AM

If you don't agree, support, and endorse a child making an uninformed decision to deform their bodies and take hormones/drugs, you are an ignorant bigot.

I am so pleased with how much "progress" we have made as a society. I will continue to enable mentally-troubled individuals AND children to make regrettable decisions that put them on the path to suicide, as I pat myself on the back for having so much empathy and compassion unlike all those ignorant bigots that think people with mental disorders shouldn't cut up their bodies and kill themselves with societies help.

11/10/2015 10:53:03 AM

i bet the sports aspect hasnt be discussed since the main page, but i'm not reading this garbage to find out

11/10/2015 10:54:13 AM

^ I think everyone has been in consensus, mostly, that transwoman have an unfair advantage and should not participate in competitive sports as a woman.

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"If you don't agree, support, and endorse a child making an uninformed decision to deform their bodies and take hormones/drugs, you are an ignorant bigot. "

yeah no shit. At 4th grade I only crudely understood what sex was and was rather clueless that there were LBGT people.

I want to know what doctor or psychiatrist thought gender reassignment was OK or the recommended treatment for some emotional/behavioral issue versus some parent caving to a 9 yr old girl crying about really wanting to be a boy. Given the insta-gratification culture and coddling of modern children by their parents, I could see the later scenario of some PC attuned hyper liberal hipster parents finally caving and agreeing to let their little girl "be a boy" as the most realistic situation.

[Edited on November 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM. Reason : a]

11/10/2015 11:39:46 AM

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"If you don't agree, support, and endorse a child making an uninformed decision to deform their bodies and take hormones/drugs, you are an ignorant bigot. I am so pleased with how much "progress" we have made as a society. I will continue to enable mentally-troubled individuals AND children to make regrettable decisions that put them on the path to suicide, as I pat myself on the back for having so much empathy and compassion unlike all those ignorant bigots that think people with mental disorders shouldn't cut up their bodies and kill themselves with societies help. "

so at this point, your insistence on calling something that isn't a disorder a disorder coupled with seeming to take glee in people committing suicide is far more weird than people wanting to be comfortable with themselves.

pretty fucking weird, actually.

[Edited on November 11, 2015 at 1:43 AM. Reason : .]

11/11/2015 1:41:16 AM

I couldn't care less what a person wants to do with their body, but I for sure don't believe it's ethical to start hormone therapy or perform gender reassignment surgery until adulthood.

Yes, I'm aware that many trans people claim that it makes it worse/harder later in life, that they get better results when natural puberty is delayed or retarded (less prominent secondary sexual traits for example), and so on, but there are also a shitload of people for whom feeling trans fades after or during puberty (I know a couple of them). Do what you want when you're an adult, but don't make permanent, hugely life altering and irreversible decisons for a child.

11/11/2015 2:02:45 AM

TGL could you please address your stance on gender reassignment for children?

11/11/2015 2:11:18 AM

When did we get on gender reassignment surgery for children? This was never a thing. Even in the article from above they state the child is socially transitioning, not medically.

Most physicians require two letters of recommendation for SRS, one of which needs to be from a licensed psychological therapist that has known the patient for a year and concurs that SRS is the correct path for the person in question. Also, a person must have already undergone extensive hormone therapy and lived as their gender identity for some time before undergoing this procedure. This person must also be AT LEAST 18 years old. Not to mention that this surgery is very expensive and generally not covered by insurance, so the person wanting the procedure also needs to demonstrate a fiscal will to have this done.

We are not chopping off prepubescent penises here, and for anyone to suggest this just shows a complete lack of any understanding of transgenderism. Educate yourselves.

11/11/2015 7:05:45 AM

I don't think anyone mentioned surgery...but thanks for playing.

11/11/2015 7:28:21 AM

When someone references Gender Reassignment, they're talking about the surgery. That's what gender reassignment is.

Otherwise it's called transitioning.

Read a book.

11/11/2015 7:32:17 AM

OMG!!! Such science!

11/11/2015 9:08:46 AM