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The corporate media machine has now begun a full onslaught of the Jill Stein campaign. We work very hard to spread information about the policies of Jill and the green party on the grassroots level, but several months of work can be undone by a few biased articles/reports in mass media. I want to clarify a few of our positions based on things people have been saying lately.

They are digging deep because none of these are key issues on her website or anything but they are from soundbites that have been dug up recently.

"Jill Stein supports alternative medicine"
The real issue is that we are facing an opiate epidemic that the two major parties refuse to address or even mention much about. 78 americans die everyday yet all they want to do is fight isis. It would be in good wisdom to avoid getting and opioid prescription if something else is out there. Pharmaceutical companies want to make sure we wait and address this problem when they are certain that something is another drug they can sell at unfair prices.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-bad-is-the-opioid-epidemic/

"But alternative medicine is based on pseudoscience"
Not all of it actually. Specifically, in the area of pain, research exists and more is being done on alternative forms of pain relief but drug companies obviously won't fund it so there is a large funding gap. At the end of the day, advancements in alternative medicine could yield huge savings on healthcare (something that is necessary with an aging population), reduction in addiction to pain killers, and decreased profits for drug companies. Even though, two of those are great solutions to key issues, the last result is why you will hear bad things about this policy. They are better off spending a few billion to smear Jill than losing billion each year from painkiller dependency.
https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002064.htm

"Jill is anti-vaccine"
Simply not true.
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""As a medical doctor of course I support vaccinations. I have a problem with the FDA being controlled by drug companies.""


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"people do not trust a Food and Drug Administration, or even the CDC for that matter, where corporate influence and the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of influence."

You have to take an honest look at what is going on in regulatory agencies and ask yourself if the conflicts of interest could lead to any biased results. Its enough for me to be skeptical about the regulatory process. We know that companies will often choose more money when given the choice of more money vs less money and we've seen countless examples of them risking public health to do so.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/obamas-new-appointee-to-head-the-fda-is-a-big-pharma-mega-lobbyist/210458/
http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2014/09/15/the-fda-revolving-door-fosters-conflicts-on-advisory-panels/


Jill is anti-GMO even though science suggests there is no danger to human health"
Keyword human health. There are several documented cases of introduced genes flowing into natural ecosystems and crossing over into other farms. We don't know the long-term ecological effects and can't even begin to find out until the regulatory agencies are purged of the monsanto conflict of interest.

FYI several countries and agencies support and/or enforce GMO labeling.
EU
Australia
New Zealand
Russia
China
American public health association
British medical association
Public health association of australia

So with all of that considered, its really the republicans and democrats who are the scientific outliers, no the greens and that is obviously because of their corporate (monsanto) influence


[Edited on July 30, 2016 at 12:17 PM. Reason : If the facts could make it to the people before being twisted, jill would beat trump and hillary]

[Edited on July 30, 2016 at 12:32 PM. Reason : obama refuses to say the words "opioid epidemic"]

7/30/2016 12:08:43 PM

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I think we're past the "opioid epidemic" and have moved into full-blown "heroin epidemic" mode now. Cracking down on the pharmaceutical companies alone isn't going to fix this problem; they missed that boat 15 years ago.

7/30/2016 2:18:04 PM

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Pharmaceuticals are only part of the problem. People who want to take drugs will find other drugs to take.

The problem is the decreasing quality of life and upward mobility for the lower class.

7/30/2016 3:28:36 PM

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7/30/2016 3:58:57 PM

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Jill Stein has said she will not only pardon Snowden, but make him a cabinet member.

Do you support this?

7/30/2016 5:46:13 PM

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You know what we call alternative medicine that works? Medicine. [/thread]

7/31/2016 12:46:11 AM

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"I think we're past the "opioid epidemic" and have moved into full-blown "heroin epidemic" mode now. Cracking down on the pharmaceutical companies alone isn't going to fix this problem; they missed that boat 15 years ago."


No one said alone but this is the first part of the road to addiction and prescription rates are still at an all time high. 12 states have more opioid prescriptions than people. Just because something you have identified as a major part of the problem isn't going to fix the problem alone, doesn't mean you don't stop it.

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"People who want to take drugs will find other drugs to take."

Good, because opioids are the most addictive, damaging drug.

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"The problem is the decreasing quality of life and upward mobility for the lower class."

Nope. Please get the facts straight. This is affecting the middle class and overprescribed pain killers are the main cause.
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"Now, nearly 90 percent of the people who tried heroin for the first time in the past decade were white. And a growing number are middle-class or wealthy."

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"In a July report, the CDC found “significant increases in heroin use were found in groups with historically low rates of heroin use, including women and people with private insurance and higher incomes. The gaps between men and women, low and higher incomes, and people with Medicaid and private insurance have narrowed in the past decade.”"

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"Three out of four heroin addicts started out by using prescription drugs, according a recent survey, which is part of a growing body of evidence that many of today’s heroin users are shifting from prescription pill addiction to heroin addiction.

The C.D.C. reports that 45 percent of people who used heroin between 2011 and 2013 were also addicted to prescription painkillers.

People who are dependent on prescription opioids are 40 times more likely to abuse or be dependent on heroin, according to the C.D.C."

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/30/us/31heroin-deaths.html?_r=0

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"Jill Stein has said she will not only pardon Snowden, but make him a cabinet member.

Do you support this?"

There needs to be a position for protecting the american people on the cyber front and who would be a more trustworthy patriot for the position than snowden? He definitely needs to help oversee the nsa and cia

[Edited on August 1, 2016 at 12:00 PM. Reason : keep em honest]

8/1/2016 11:56:35 AM

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She had a good segment on the Diane Rehm Show this morning

https://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-08-01/green-party-candidate-jill-stein - not sure the audio is up yet

8/1/2016 11:59:06 AM

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"Nope. Please get the facts straight. This is affecting the middle class and overprescribed pain killers are the main cause"


there isnt a middle class

8/1/2016 12:32:14 PM

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Explain to me the logic of cracking down on pharmaceutical companies to limit opioid prescriptions

8/1/2016 1:17:10 PM

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I don't think anyone said anything about cracking down on pharmaceutical companies directly. We just can't let them drive policy. They profit off of the prescriptions that lead to addiction and the epidemic. Solving the problem will certainly reduce their profits so they will lobby against any measures being put in place to prescribe these painkillers more responsibly as well as the proliferation of any alternative painkillers that they cannot sell.

8/1/2016 1:31:01 PM

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"Jill is anti-GMO even though science suggests there is no danger to human health"
Keyword human health. There are several documented cases of introduced genes flowing into natural ecosystems and crossing over into other farms. We don't know the long-term ecological effects and can't even begin to find out until the regulatory agencies are purged of the monsanto conflict of interest.
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gimme a fucking break. What a bunch of conspiratorial bullshit. GMO is a process. It's not an ingredient. Its not a chemical. It's no different than hybridization, except, where hybridization is shooting in the dark, GM is precise to specific gene or set of genes.

There's no argument against GMOs which doesn't also apply to conventional crops, including "organic."

8/1/2016 2:29:00 PM

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Hybridization also happens naturally. GMO is extremely different and as you said, extremely precise which is the cause for concern. There very little chance a gene from an exotic fish could make it into a plant naturally and there are huge ecological implications to the release of targeted genes into the wild. A chemical or indgredience can be cleaned up at a point spill. Chemicals cannot reproduce or magnify themselves at an exponential rate. This is a much more serious ecological threat which is why the organizations i listed agree.

We are specifically taking about genes that prevent plants from being preyed upon, make them grow faster, and make them tolerant to environmental limitations that could otherwise limit their growth such as climate and soil quality. Imagine if this combination of genes became invasive by making it into a non-crop population. In that situation, the best case scenario is that the company introduces a reversal gene (also with unknown implications) to try and fix the problem.

The least we're asking for is sterile seed GMO so that these unnatural gene combinations can't cross over into the wild. This isn't cattle. You can't contain plants to a certain area and keep them from mixing with native populations.

[Edited on August 1, 2016 at 7:47 PM. Reason : c]

8/1/2016 7:45:28 PM

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We should not be exposing the brains of children to wireless internet.

8/1/2016 8:03:59 PM

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its funny how thats the worst smear you hillary folks can dig up;

8/1/2016 8:09:23 PM

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I don't like Hillary, I'm not voting for her in the election.

Would you please like to address her talking about the dangers of wifi?

8/1/2016 8:10:38 PM

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I disagree with it but if that is such a big problem, good luck with clinton and trump's problems!

8/1/2016 9:19:52 PM

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It speaks of the mentality of 'I will take a look at the advice of all published science, and I will ignore it completely'

8/1/2016 9:21:07 PM

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertszczerba/2015/01/13/study-suggests-wi-fi-exposure-more-dangerous-to-kids-than-previously-thought/#307ec2955fdc

8/1/2016 9:30:00 PM

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You should actually try reading the study that shitty article cites.

8/1/2016 9:44:33 PM

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I admit, I didn't go past the abstract because its not that important of an issue to me relative to all of the other issues which we are certain about.

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"igital dementia has been reported in school age children. A case study has shown when cellphones are placed in teenage girls’ bras multiple primary breast cancer develop beneath where the phones are placed. MWR exposure limits have remained unchanged for 19 years. All manufacturers of smartphones have warnings which describe the minimum distance at which phone must be kept away from users in order to not exceed the present legal limits for exposure to MWR. The exposure limit for laptop computers and tablets is set when devices are tested 20 cm away from the body. Belgium, France, India and other technologically sophisticated governments are passing laws and/or issuing warnings about children's use of wireless devices."


[Edited on August 1, 2016 at 9:57 PM. Reason : uncertainty. i teach with devices everyday though]

8/1/2016 9:56:29 PM

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What a fucking loon

8/2/2016 9:33:41 AM

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i hate that we live in a world where using an abundance of caution to question the amount of low energy radiation we beam into the brains of small children or the amount of chemical drugs we pump into their bodies is considered looney.

but not giving them food, clean, heated schools or even a home is often the norm

[Edited on August 2, 2016 at 10:18 AM. Reason : k]

8/2/2016 10:16:49 AM

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b
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8/2/2016 2:27:41 PM

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who saw the townhall lastnight?

I set the DVR to record it and the guide ended the show right before she was going to talk about how to end student loan debt. Of course CNN isn't reairing it like they normally do and of course its not all over their website.

8/18/2016 12:52:02 PM

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did she get more in to the whole "seas are going to rise by 9 feet in 34 years" or nah?

[Edited on August 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2016 12:53:49 PM

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chris cuomo was such a plant with his loaded questions. wasted half of the damn event bringing up shit baraka said years ago. the media wont let these things be just about policy.

8/19/2016 5:31:10 PM

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yeah. that's what's hurting her. not the whole batshit insane thing

8/19/2016 10:42:14 PM

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that is the batshit insane thing. silence opposition by drowning them out with narrative that they are insane before people actually hear what they are about.

the current state of our government is sane though...

You will win the battle but you won't suppress information forever. Eventually, the people will wake up and reject the oligarchy. Even if its 50 years too late.

8/19/2016 10:46:00 PM

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WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

8/20/2016 8:36:22 AM

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https://www.inverse.com/article/19954-jill-stein-harambe-deez-nuts-donald-trump-hillary-clinton

Texas would rather have a dead gorilla run the country than a progressive...LITERALLY

8/21/2016 11:19:58 PM

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Can you blame them? I doubt a dead gorilla would increase the national debt, taxes, government dependence, etc.

8/22/2016 2:03:52 PM

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neither would we

[Edited on August 22, 2016 at 2:12 PM. Reason : they dont understand the policies just like most americans]

8/22/2016 2:11:46 PM

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LOL, you absolutely do. All I knew about Stein was that few of the Berniebot SJWs I knew went to her instead of Clinton. Just checked out her website and all I see is:

FREE SHIT
BIG GOVERNMENT
MORE FREE SHIT

8/22/2016 2:32:21 PM

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the government is already big. handouts already exist. we just reallocate them to jobs, education, and healthcare instead of wars, subsidies, and, corruption.

8/22/2016 2:40:37 PM

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lol "we"

this guy probably has Lebron's Miami Heat and Cleveland Cavs jerseys in his closet

8/22/2016 3:06:40 PM

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great analogy. green party= lebron james stacked teams

8/22/2016 3:15:40 PM

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"The killing of Harambe 3 months ago today reminds us to be a voice for the voiceless. jill2016.com/statement_by_j…"


It's totally the media that makes her look like a loon though..

8/28/2016 4:31:56 PM

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well yeah, this is the perfect example of focusing on something meaningless while not giving any attention to her key policies.

8/28/2016 4:35:01 PM

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I appreciate that the Greens are trying to move America more to the left but they have got to find someone else to be the face of it. Labor unions aren't getting behind some homeopath who attracts mostly upper middle class hippies.

8/28/2016 5:34:45 PM

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how much is big pharma paying you to call her a homeopath?

No wonder they are so profitable when they get people to push their lies for free.

8/28/2016 5:51:08 PM

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how one can cape up for johnson and stein would make a great study in schizophrenia

8/28/2016 9:49:42 PM

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I'm for Jill Stein but unlike most on this board, maintaining one set of beliefs doesn't prevent me from seeing multiple perspectives which allow for understanding (and even respecting) a set of political beliefs that I disagree with overall. Libertarian policies make sense based on their premise that the federal government cannot thus should not solve a lot of these problems.

I disagree with their premise because other governments successfully solve a lot of the problems we are talking about. Sure it hasn't been done here but I don't attribute that to an innate inefficiency in the american government but to the corruption of the democrat and republican parties.

With all of that said, having a government that governs by a philosophy i disagree with is better than having a government that governs by corruption and crony capitalism. At the end of the day, I'd rather just keep my tax dollars than have them funneled off to global corporate interests especially if they are being funneled away under the disguise of some sort of alleged progressive ideology (democrats).

8/28/2016 10:25:33 PM

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Politics Earl is Best Earl

8/29/2016 12:20:46 AM

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8/29/2016 9:19:42 AM

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https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/769977124304420864

[Edited on August 29, 2016 at 9:59 AM. Reason : /]

8/29/2016 9:58:37 AM

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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/green-party-supporters-stare-at-empty-podium-after-jill-stein-accidentally-flies-to-the-wrong-city/

9/2/2016 9:38:24 PM

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That's fucking hilarious. Those tens of people must have been so disappointed

9/3/2016 8:43:34 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5nlqaivDno
Sad how we have to rely on Russia Today to clear up some of the lies. I can't wait for Goalielax to come in and defend PBS as some sort of credible network.

I can picture it now...

Executive: "Give Jill Stein 2 minutes but no more and make sure you edit it so that she sounds crazy "

[Edited on September 4, 2016 at 11:57 PM. Reason : j]

9/4/2016 11:53:45 PM

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you should post more putin propaganda. it really makes you look smart.

9/5/2016 10:18:27 PM

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