nah, he's trollin you hard

1/24/2017 1:02:50 PM

ok, well I won't be vague about this

I went into PP clinic last year. Working at a before and after school program doesn't pay enough to have health coverage. They caught ovarian cancer that was easily removed because it was caught early enough. I would have waited years to do a screening if I had to wait on money and/or insurance. If I had waited even a year, it would have required invasive surgery. Shutting down planned parenthood is oppression against me, I am a low income female despite having a masters degree and decent work experience. I can talk to you more about this if you like. Making me jump through hoops only to have coverage and affordable care taken out from under me is oppression.

I brought science and art to our center, I sat with both bullies and the bullied to find out what was going on in their lives and figure out how I could help, I called teachers, I tutored, I managed other group leaders, I sat down with every single parent to update them on their childs progress, I cleaned wounds, snot, vomit, piss and shit everyday and I still loved those kids. I deserved to be looked after. I was fine to take the pay cut to sit in PP to have my screening and healthcare, and I was fine to pay my reduced bill. I don't want something for nothing.

I am not legally allowed to homestead, and living off your own land is becoming less legal every year. I am forced to be a member of "society". So if I have to be a member of society, society could at the very least offer basic health coverage.

Militarized police is also oppression, I don't think it is difficult to understand that.

I am not against the republicans. I have friends and family that are republicans, and shocker, we have political and non-political talks without devolving into hate spewing asshats.



[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2017 1:52:19 PM

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"I have friends and family that are republicans, and shocker, we have political and non-political talks without devolving into hate spewing asshats"

Lol

1/24/2017 2:08:36 PM

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"Making me jump through hoops only to have coverage and affordable care taken out from under me is oppression. "

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" I am forced to be a member of "society". So if I have to be a member of society, society could at the very least offer basic health coverage."

Klatypus, the way you are perceiving who is "forcing" who is completely backwards. Nobody is making you do anything. That is why you have no case to make about "being oppressed".

You complain about "force" yet your privileged position was dependent on the government compelling others by force to pay for something they don't want to pay for.

You are not oppressed, if anything you were using the government to oppress others. Then you have the nerve to play the victim when others are no longer forced to pay for you.

After your mischaracterization of which side is initiating "force" against the other, you then fall back on an appeal to emotion in which you see yourself as a victim. The key sentence being:

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"I deserved to be looked after"

To put it simply, no you do not. Healthcare is not a right. No amount of "victimization" or emotional anecdote justifies forcing a doctor to provide care or forcing another citizen to pay for it against their will. And this is essentially what is at the heart of the march, entitled women demanding special treatment at the expense of others, under the guise of "equality".

The kicker is, they have the nerve to act as if they are the ones being "forced" when essentially every Leftist issue they are demanding is 100% reliant on the initiation of force by the government.

So no, you aren't oppressed. You just can't steal from other people.

1/24/2017 3:28:36 PM

Let's be clear, I paid for my services, and I ate canned food for awhile. I didn't get anything for free. I also pay taxes as well.

I would be happy to die of cancer in the woods, maybe one day I can attain this lofty goal of mine, and then I won't be your problem anymore

until then...

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2017 3:42:02 PM

you are right no one is making me drive across the state (and out of state) to find appropriate services that I can afford, I guess I could just sit here and try to die quickly so I don't have to suffer.

1/24/2017 3:51:19 PM

whoa

what just happened here?

1/24/2017 3:57:04 PM

Klatty getting trolled hard

1/24/2017 3:59:22 PM

JCE wants Klatypus to die because she's a liberal

1/24/2017 3:59:50 PM

damn, klatypus da best >----- -----<

1/24/2017 4:00:08 PM

c'mon JCE this board has like 50 active users, why are you trolling it

that's what Reddit is for

or 4chan

or whatever

1/24/2017 4:00:38 PM

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"Let's be clear, I paid for my services,"

If that were the case, there would be no issue here.

You paid for a part of your services, tax payers were forced to pay the rest.

Quote :

"you are right no one is making me drive across the state (and out of state) to find appropriate services that I can afford"

No one is forcing you to make poor life choices that result in a $200 CA-125 test being unaffordable as an adult.

No one is forcing you to not pursue employment where healthcare is an option.

If you can't find a high paying job because there aren't enough to go around: Good News... the current president you were protesting is focused primarily on making sure there are job opportunities available for you!

1/24/2017 4:09:22 PM

The reason the police militarized is bc of liberals?

1/24/2017 5:02:28 PM

JCE, you pro-life or pro-choice?

I'd also like to know your thoughts on drug legalization. srs questions, bro.

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 5:10 PM. Reason : ]

1/24/2017 5:08:50 PM

^^

Depends on what you mean by police militarization. If you're referencing the hundreds of officers in riot gear with armored vehicles, yes that is because of liberals... or rather they are needed because of the riots fueled by liberals and the liberal media pushing their false narratives and race-baiting.

^ ur asking too much of me bae

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 5:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2017 5:13:15 PM

^ who had an armed confrontation and took over a government building recently....

It wasn't abunch of liberals. Your narrative is weeeeaaaaakkkkk.

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM. Reason : Get the tanks ready for abunch if granola eaters!]

1/24/2017 5:34:45 PM

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"who had an armed confrontation and took over a government building recently...."

that will always be allowed because of the old white men in power, well, not allowed, but tolerated to such an extent that they won't be harmed or shot like rats like they deserve to be. it is poor common man on the street who gets shot on the streets or killed in the police van.

1/24/2017 5:39:34 PM

are rats routinely shot?

1/24/2017 5:58:57 PM

1/24/2017 6:25:21 PM

I don't recall conservative media or conservative politicians encouraging ranchers to act.

I do, however, recall Obama equating the cops shot by the #BLM Crazy to the recent police shootings that were still being investigated (at the funeral for the dead cops). Infact it was thanks to the BLM Crazy we had cops take the first step in using a fucking robot bomb to kill a citizen.

I also recall the "hands up dont shoot" narrative being picked up by the liberals, and the race-baiting frenzy they incite anytime a black man is shot by cops. Most recently in Charlotte

I also don't remember Clinton condemning the #NotMyPresident riots after she was the one demanding Trump respect the results of the election.

Not to mention the rioting for the inauguration

But you know, some ranchers hate the government so that totally evens out. #Muh narrative

1/24/2017 6:31:13 PM

1. The Dallas shooter had nothing to do with BLM, and BLM had nothing to do with the Dallas shooter.
2. What do you really expect Hillary Clinton to do? She lost the election, and is not currently a politician. Why is she, or any private citizen really, under any obligation to speak publicly about rioting.
3. lol, rioting during the inauguration? A few people through rocks through windows, a trash can and a car was set on fire, and 200 people were arrested**. Hardly a riot. And most likely anarchist just wanting to cause trouble... a lot of the graffiti was anarchist and disruptJ20 stuff.


** it's looking like the police may have used an illegal policy when arresting these people, and the majority of them will probably have their cases thrown out. The police essentially trap a large group of people between a few city blocks with human blockades, then arrest people without giving dispersal orders. Many of those arrested aren't even tied to a specific crime.

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 7:09 PM. Reason : H]

1/24/2017 7:02:35 PM

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"...the government compelling others by force to pay for something they don't want to pay for."

Quit whining, it happens to all of us. I didn't want my tax dollars to pay for GWB's invasion of Iraq, either.

Suck it up, snowflake, and quit playing the victim card. Maybe you can find some solace with a pack of crayons and a Donald Trump coloring book.

https://www.amazon.com/Donald-Trump-Coloring-Book-President/dp/1944686797/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485303133&sr=8-3&keywords=trump+coloring+book

Sorry, but I ain't making you any hot cocoa; you're gonna have to handle that yourself.

1/24/2017 7:18:59 PM

It must be hard for JCE to get to work and make all that money to pay for every single thing on his own when he doesn't use the roads he is forced to pay for by the damn govt.

1/24/2017 7:35:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQXmnMr_w8

1/24/2017 7:55:30 PM

What the fuck is wrong with this human???

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/unsubstantiated-claims-made-trump-president/story?id=45008005

1/24/2017 8:37:38 PM

^x7

Privilege: A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

As for Privilege, how about ALL LIVES MATTER. It annoys me to see this BLM shit. Completely discriminatory to other races/ethnicities (especially minorities)


[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 9:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2017 9:19:40 PM

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"As for Privilege, how about ALL LIVES MATTER. It annoys me to see this BLM shit. Completely discriminatory to other races/ethnicities (especially minorities)"

Always amazes me that people don't feel a sense of shame when they try this argument.

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 9:35 PM. Reason : Ban St Patrick's Day]

1/24/2017 9:34:49 PM

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"how about ALL LIVES MATTER. It annoys me to see this BLM shit. Completely discriminatory to other races/ethnicities (especially minorities)"

It's not an exclusive argument d00d

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says/

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"TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to."

1/24/2017 9:40:14 PM

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"I deserved to be looked after"

wtf?

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"I was fine to pay my reduced bill. I don't want something for nothing."

Isn't a reduced bill something for nothing?

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"I didn't get anything for free. I also pay taxes as well."

1. You got part of your medical care for free, because other people had their money taken from them to pay for you.
2. If you don't make enough to afford this, you do not make enough money to pay income taxes.




Goddammit, I don't want to side with JCE, but whatever your thoughts are from a policy perspective, we should be honest and call this what it is. You can argue that other people should have to pay for your handout, and that you shouldn't, but you can't argue that you aren't getting a handout or that you're paying for it via taxes that you aren't paying.

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 9:52 PM. Reason : now...back to calling out Trump for his "alternative facts"]

1/24/2017 9:51:46 PM

^^
It shouldn't be changed to "black lives matter too" it should be changed to "Black lives matter only when a white cop pulls the trigger and the victim provides political leverage". I think that would be a little more accurate.

BTW, the best part about BLM is they don't differentiate between justified police shootings and unjustified police shootings. They only care if they can stir up division, per the Soros-leftist playbook.

But yea, black people are victims or something, because they commit more violent crime and end up dead more often... but it isn't because of the violent crime, it's because they are black and "oppressed".



[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 9:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2017 9:56:29 PM

Quote :

"1. You got part of your medical care for free, because other people had their money taken from them to pay for you. 2. If you don't make enough to afford this, you do not make enough money to pay income taxes"

Planned Parenthood funding doesn't come exclusively from income tax money, btw...Not even close really.

1/24/2017 10:33:34 PM

Google fungibility

1/24/2017 10:40:03 PM

Of the women I've talked to about the healthcare issue, they are most concerned about slippery slope situations. These little executive orders regarding PP are just the first wave, they know much worse is coming down the pipe. And they're pissed.

Slippery Slope: just as gun nuts swear the next step to background check reform is the ATF kicking in their door and seizing their arsenal, these women understand that these defunding efforts are just a slippery slope to fetal life bills(criminalizing access to abortion), vaginal probes, and state sanctioned "scripts" your doctor has to read you.



Except women actually have evidence of the end goal. They only need to point to all the bullshit state level abortion restrictions. Mike Fucking Pence. Donald "women should be punished for abortion" Trump. [insert all the other Christi fascists in Trumps cabinet that I can't keep track of]

So some of these signs you just can't get over are a little more significant than "ugh pay for me ugh"

1/24/2017 10:41:52 PM

The difference is:

You have a constitutional right to own a firearm

You do not have a constitutional right to cut up a fetus in your womb.

If you fall down the slippery slope with abortion, all you have to do is buy birth control or not be a slut. If you fall down the slippery slope with the 2nd amendment, its orwellian shit.

1/24/2017 11:21:41 PM

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"Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to.""

BLM is a dumb ass name for a cause, and reddit explanations dismiss the very hypocrisy of its name

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 2:31 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2017 2:29:32 AM

^^Several Supreme Court cases have solidified the idea that women have a due process right to ACCESS a safe abortion. It's not explicitly enshrined in the constitution yet, but that's not a big surprise.

And what is not Orwellian about the state requiring your doctor to read you a script filled with forced birther lies and propaganda before performing a procedure? How bout forced vaginal ultrasounds? Oh wait, it doesn't effect you so therefore it must not be a problem.

And I want to emphasize how sober women are being staring down the gun of the forced birthers. There are no hysterics. There were something like 130 restrictions introduced in 30 states in 2016 alone. Women know they are going to have to fight relentlessly for the next 4 years just to maintain their healthcare. Did I mention how pissed they are?

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 7:12 AM. Reason : FYI birth control is not outside the realm of restriction, Fascists want total control of women.]

1/25/2017 7:11:02 AM

I dunno if I'd call it a "due process right" https://rewire.news/article/2016/06/17/three-constitutional-basics-every-abortion-rights-supporter-know/

1/25/2017 8:46:25 AM

Roe v Wade was decided on the due process clause of the 14th amendment wasn't it?

1/25/2017 8:52:45 AM

So, I take it JCE is one of those "abortion is murder" kind of guys then?

1/25/2017 8:54:33 AM

^^

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"The 14th Amendment prohibits states from depriving a person of liberty without due process of law. A person has the right to end a pregnancy without undue interference from the government because that right to liberty includes (1) the right to make decisions about family and (2) the right to bodily integrity."

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"Abortion is protected by the due process clauses of the Fifth Amendment (which restricts the federal government) and the 14th Amendment (which was added to the Constitution to restrict the states). As Casey explained, “It is a promise of the Constitution that there is a realm of personal liberty which the government may not enter.” Using the force of law to compel a person to use her body against her will to bring a pregnancy to term is a violation of her physical autonomy and decisional freedom—which the Constitution does not allow."

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 8:55 AM. Reason : ^ who cares]

1/25/2017 8:55:01 AM

All I meant is that I want access to screenings. I paid for the other services in full (no taxpayer money involved), I just had to find a cash facility that didn't take insurance, therefore they were able to keep costs down to a level I could afford. So thank you to all taxpayers for paying for 1/2 of a screening for me, I do appreciate that. Perhaps I used "deserve" incorrectly. Personally, I think a hardworking person should be able to be seen by a physician so they at least know what their health status is. I understand this is where many people will disagree with me.

1/25/2017 9:10:15 AM

To lighten the mood, here's Kellyanne doing standup in the late glorious late 90s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKFUL_dksUA

1/25/2017 9:29:18 AM

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"Personally, I think a hardworking person should be able to be seen by a physician so they at least know what their health status is. I understand this is where many people will disagree with me."

No, you apparently don't understand because you ONCE AGAIN framed the issue in a completely oversimplified, dishonest way. You completely left out the key part that all socialist policies are reliant on: The initiation of force. That is where people disagree with you.

"I think people should be forced to pay for other people's medical care"

That is what you are saying, at least be honest about it. (And this is my main problem with the march, every issue is so dishonestly framed it just spreads ignorance amongst gullible people with good intentions).

1/25/2017 9:37:35 AM

I mean, duh, I am sorry I didn't word it explicitly enough for you. Yep, people were forced to pay money which was given to the government. The government in turn decided that very basic health screens were important enough to assist with.

do you think people should "be forced" to pay for roads? clean water? energy expenditures? I know I want to pay a fraction of my money for these things.

I am just interested to know where you draw the line.

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 9:43 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2017 9:41:04 AM

^^You're the one oversimplifying, as I previously explained.

And I thought I told you to quit whining about it.

1/25/2017 10:34:46 AM

^^If you wanna drive from Raleigh to Charlotte, build your own goddamn road and stop sponging off the hard work of others.

1/25/2017 10:49:29 AM

Over 50% of discretionary spending of my taxes goes to fund the military, I'm forced to pay money into a bloated, mismanaged armed force that deploys in areas I don't agree we should be in.

See how that works? We all pay money into a system that funds initiatives/programs/institutions that we don't agree with.

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ]

1/25/2017 10:56:15 AM

Yep and the only real way to change that is to vote in people who are gonna spend the money you put in on things you agree with and hope they actually follow through.

1/25/2017 11:04:40 AM

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"I mean, duh, I am sorry I didn't word it explicitly enough for you."

I’m not asking you to word it explicitly. I’m asking you to word it honestly.

Obviously you don’t want to do that because if your side is honest about what you want, you can no longer demonize your opposition and claim your position is the moral one. In my opinion, that is what the march is all about. “Virtue signaling”. How many of you that attended the march did it without taking a picture of yourself to share with others for validation?

This also explains why the majority of the signs are so dishonest in how they frame the issue. I don’t think it is deliberate dishonesty, I think it is ignorance. So that begs the question, why would someone be willing to drive and march for hours, yet not be willing to spend 5 minutes Googling the issue? Because the motivation isn’t a better understanding or advocating for a just cause, the motivation is vanity, validation, likes, acceptance, etc.

1/25/2017 11:12:06 AM

It actually baffles me that folks like JCE#'s are against abortion. They should happily keep it legal, since banning it means a lot more unwanted pregnancies that result in impoverished children which ultimately get footed by the taxpayer.

1/25/2017 11:12:11 AM