Quote :

"And I'm 100% sure you're failing to abide by the contract you entered into with the Carrier when you purchased the ticket."

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger/

4/11/2017 10:47:04 PM

Quote :

"INVOLUNTARY DEBOARDING SITUATION"

4/11/2017 10:52:54 PM

I have a few air line attendant friends that are standing on the side of United in this...

I can't see how, no matter how I look at this situation I can't fathom how this could happen.

I would sue till I owned a % of United.

4/11/2017 10:56:49 PM

the link below has things i did not see before:

- video of him running back on
- video of him saying "kill me" repeatedly
- united ceo apologizes in public with the "re-accommodate"
- but congratulates all in private for going above and beyond in doing a great job
- united stock falls 3%
- details about victim (wife doctor too, and so are 4 of 5 children, and more)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4401444/Name-man-hauled-United-flight-Chicago-revealed.html

4/11/2017 10:57:08 PM

asshole goes into damage control and finally says something human, but only because his congratulatory email to employees was leaked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4402888/United-CEO-Oscar-Munoz-says-outraged-new-memo.html

4/11/2017 11:48:04 PM

So dumb to write emails

4/11/2017 11:57:37 PM

Quote :

"http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger/ "

I read the CoC before reading this, and my interpretation also was that United was in breach by attempting the remove the passenger for a reason other than the "allowed" reasons stipulated in the Contract of Carriage, which don't include wanting to fly their own employee. They can't un-board a passenger because they want to board their own employee. However, the contract of carriage doesn't define boarding explicitly, so United might try to make an argument here.

This asian guy is going to get paid I predict...

4/12/2017 12:12:17 AM

Exchanging drugs for sex just makes the guy more relatable.

I mean, we kinda already knew his talk game was weak...seeing how he got dragged off the flight and all.

4/12/2017 5:45:53 AM

He should have just complied. Blue lives matter

4/12/2017 7:06:15 AM

Quote :

"http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/united-cites-wrong-rule-for-illegally-de-boarding-passenger/"

If what this article says is correct, then I'm 100% wrong in all of my previous analysis of this situation.

4/12/2017 8:10:54 AM

Quote :

"I know that this stands no chance of happening, because....monopolies.... but it would be so nice if America was so appalled by this that United's stock price plummeted."

that did happen after the video of this was released.

4/12/2017 8:14:17 AM

more of an oligopoly than a monoply

4/12/2017 8:32:10 AM

^^^it's just one lawyers opinion, but, at a minimum, it seems to be more of a gray area than you implied.

4/12/2017 9:07:06 AM

Quote :

"Exchanging drugs for sex just makes the guy more relatable. I mean, we kinda already knew his talk game was weak...seeing how he got dragged off the flight and all."

The sites reporting this had the wrong person. He wouldn't have a medical license if he was arrested for pushing pills.

Guy, his wife and 4 of their kids are apparently squeaky clean doctors...

4/12/2017 9:31:31 AM

Ha ha ha, it's not even him who has the sordid past, just a guy with a similar name. Lawsuits everywhere for this man.

[Edited on April 12, 2017 at 9:33 AM. Reason : ^this]

4/12/2017 9:32:56 AM

Man I feel bad for this dude just trying to get to work and now all this shit gets piled on. These are the people who actually deserve money from lawsuits.

4/12/2017 9:44:36 AM

^^ any source for this? I can't find anything, trying to show people in my office

4/12/2017 10:05:32 AM

even if he did have some bad shit in his past how is that grounds for what happened to him?

4/12/2017 10:08:18 AM

It's not, but it's nice icing on his forthcoming lawsuit cake and an extra lesson in why United should have handled this better

4/12/2017 10:15:21 AM

I do have one question though. Are we sure it was United who physically removed the dude from the plane? Seems like that would have been security or the police who probably aren't employed by United. Seems from what I have been reading United was pretty much required by law to bump people off in this instance. I have no idea how much they went through to try to resolve this peacefully before security was called to remove the man. If they followed all their procedures should we really be upset with United or more so at the people who beat the guy up to remove him from the plane?

4/12/2017 10:36:39 AM

I think that the people who removed the doctor from the place were actual air marshalls. Given, I don't know everything that happened, I actually place the absolute LEAST blame on the air marshals in this situation. I mean, from their perspective, they just get a call to remove someone from a plane...and their job is to do that. It didn't look like they punched the guy, or did much other than break the doctors grip on the seat and drag him away.

I mean, fuck...when you see the guys with blue coats, badges, and guns on their hip come for you... you're somewhat in control of your own pain there. Again, I wasn't there...but I feel fairly certain the marshalls said something to the effect of 'aight, bruh....we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Are you going to get up for us?'

4/12/2017 10:44:18 AM

Quote :

"I can't find anything, trying to show people in my office"

It's just on Twitter, currently.

Quote :

"Are we sure it was United who physically removed the dude from the plane?"

I'm not sure anyone here actually thinks it was United Employees who dragged him off the place.

Quote :

"If they followed all their procedures should we really be upset with United"

Yes, because United called in the cavalry to drag this dude off the place. Their policies and decisions caused the situation.

4/12/2017 10:45:20 AM

i heard one of his patients died because he couldn't make it back home in time

4/12/2017 11:30:04 AM

i heard he lured Clarence Thomas into his chambers and showed him lewd pictures of himself.

4/12/2017 12:22:34 PM

Quote :

"it's just one lawyers opinion, but, at a minimum, it seems to be more of a gray area than you implied."

Yea, and I still think the boarding=/ deplaning argument is weak. However, that article gives pretty good credence to contract law, and because the United Contract of Carriage makes a distinction then that argument must exist on some level. Further, United acted in breach of that contract as he understands it. So... I'm willing to admit when a valid source has shot me down.

I'm not sure I should have been condemned to death for speaking my opinion though. Seems ironic in hindsight.

4/12/2017 4:44:24 PM

I'm so confused... this dude wasn't born with the enalienable right to a plane ride. Why couldn't United have just said "sorry sir here's your money get the fuck off my plane?"


I don't understand how the conversation has moved passed. Dude should have gotten off plane when directed.


^^^^ I would disagree the "calling the Calvary " caused the situation as they were called as a direct result of him refusing to GTFO

4/12/2017 9:06:02 PM

I purchase a plane ticket with the understanding that if it takes off I have a seat.

Are you a fucking narc???

4/12/2017 9:09:22 PM

Of course you do... but only because that's good business. As long as you get your money back, there's no "legal garuntee" to your seat. You assume you'll get your seat because a company that had that shitty of business practices would go out of buisiness. Not because you have some divine right now.



Give Asian dude his money back. Tell him tough fucking luck.

4/12/2017 9:12:36 PM

I hope the next time ssclark gets a haircut, the barber drags him out of the chair, keeps his money, and tells him he has the right to refuse service to anyone.

Or the next time he goes to Subway, I hope they snatch his footlong out of his hands and kick his ass to the curb without giving him his 5 dolla back.

4/12/2017 9:13:54 PM

I don't fly for fucking fun. I fly bc I gotta get somewhere.

I'll never fly United after this.

4/12/2017 9:14:07 PM

I'm glad I don't have to fly very often. I couldn't deal with this mess.

4/12/2017 9:15:48 PM

Ssclark, once the money is exchanged that seat is essentially yours, you've entered into a contract. This seems like the most basic business principle. Like just imagine the chaos if anyone could break a contract at any time just by returning funds.

If you rent me a house and I pay first month rent and move in, if you come by the next day with my cash and tell me to GTFO expect me to tell you to fuck off

I mean to further the airline scenario, at what point would you consider the seat "owned" by the customer? Imagine I have a layover, should the airline be able to just refund all or half and leave you sitting in an airport??

[Edited on April 12, 2017 at 9:23 PM. Reason : Air]

4/12/2017 9:19:56 PM

^^^ didn't read what I said eh?? Don't be a fucking moron. I clearly said they needed to give him his money back.

Although yes I agree with you, stealing is wrong and I'd be upset if subway stole from me.


Ok I take it back. It would seem there is infact a law that makes planes like counteries i that once you're on the plane you're golden. There fore... Asian dude gon get paid

4/12/2017 9:21:26 PM

you put forth a scenario that business should be able to rescind goods at any time they please, i said "no they shouldnt be able to do that," you respond with "oh so businesses can never rescind goods??"

you edited but to sue or not to sue comes down to whether there was damage. it was my understanding that the united flight was the last one of the evening, hence why united was willing to pay money to get their employee's onboard.

for the roofing analogy, how about if you have a massive leak and choose roofers and this guy is first available, with some other that could start shortly after. You choose him b/c he can start earliest then later he rescinds his offer. at that point your other options have pushed their start date and your roof leak proceeds to cause more and more damage. I could def see a court case in that scenario

[Edited on April 12, 2017 at 9:45 PM. Reason : eh i guess you edited all that but my point stands]

4/12/2017 9:44:40 PM

Munoz owned big time

https://twitter.com/emirates/status/851845063999188994

More owning

4/12/2017 11:58:28 PM

https://www.someecards.com/news/so-that-happened/united-airlines-david-dao-trolling/

Quote :

"We’re united in our goal to always accommodate our passengers, even with our app updates."

[Edited on April 13, 2017 at 6:40 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2017 6:25:48 AM

this jimmy kimmel spoof ad for united is great!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jimmy-kimmel-united-commercial_us_58ec7654e4b0df7e2044b81e

4/13/2017 6:41:04 AM

They just can't get a break

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/14/man-stung-by-stowaway-scorpion-on-united-airlines-flight-6574417/
http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/13/grandma-94-forced-out-of-business-class-seat-on-united-airlines-6572771/

And this is an interesting development:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/13/united-airlines-refund-every-single-passenger-on-that-flight-6571891/

Quote :

"United Airlines will refund every single passenger who was the plane when a doctor was injured dragged off by airport officers in Chicago. Hoping to resolve the incident and resulting backlash, the company also announced that it would no longer ask police to remove passengers from full flights."

Has the CEO finally come to his senses, or is it the bottom line speaking?

Quote :

"In an interview with ABC’s Good Morning America, United parent company chief executive Oscar Munoz said he felt ‘ashamed’ watching video of Dr David Dao being forced off the jet. He has promised to review the airline’s passenger-removal policy. Mr Munoz, apologised again to physician Dao, his family and the other passengers who witnessed him being taken off the flight. ‘That is not who our family at United is,’ he said. ‘This will never happen again on a United flight. That’s my promise.’ In the future, law enforcement will not be involved in removing a ‘booked, paid, seated passenger,’ Mr Munoz said. ‘We can’t do that.’"

[Edited on April 14, 2017 at 6:59 AM. Reason : ]

4/14/2017 6:58:48 AM

That all happened like 2 days ago...

4/14/2017 10:06:58 AM