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"That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then. It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start. Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spread to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb exploded in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4, and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war. The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep. The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep. And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep. In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep. After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all wehave done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world. Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, politically or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not apolitical thing to be hashed over in an election year. This is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come. "

US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. The above is a speech he gave last month.

[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2005 1:41:53 PM

8/9/2005 1:44:03 PM

gfuckingg

8/9/2005 1:44:38 PM

Yeah, allow searches by FBI without a warrant signed by a judge IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM!!!1

Stupid sheep.

8/9/2005 2:09:41 PM

this friggin thing

its like a john kerry speech

i cant tell if its criticizing bush or praising him until the very last line

i hate stuff like this honestly

8/9/2005 2:13:40 PM

i can't wait to even the score up a little more.

one mk82 at a time.

Fuck a terrorist.

8/9/2005 2:22:54 PM

i really like the speech until he said:

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"Bush for having the courage, politically or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do"

8/9/2005 2:27:31 PM

september 11, 2001


WAS A LONG TIME AGO

cant you find something else to run on? i mean bush's 3rd term isnt gonna elect itself.

[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 2:31 PM. Reason : -]

8/9/2005 2:30:14 PM

well, it was either that


or let terrorists keep trying shit without any consequences

8/9/2005 2:39:44 PM

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"Yeah, allow searches by FBI without a warrant signed by a judge "

i fail to see where this speech references any such thing?

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"this friggin thing its like a john kerry speech i cant tell if its criticizing bush or praising him until the very last line"

hmmm, yeah i can sort of see that. actually, to clarify i included too much in my cut and paste... the last bit was a comment from where i got the speech. the captain actually made no reference to either candidate, it ended after the quote from yamamoto.

8/9/2005 2:41:46 PM

after further research, it was also delivered in 2003... not last month. it became popular at election time as something for bush supporters to pass around, though upon questioning the captain was adamant that when he wrote it he wasn't intending to make any political statement concerning the presidency.

8/9/2005 2:46:22 PM

GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR SECURITY. THE TERRORISTS ATTACKED US BECAUSE THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM. GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY OR YOU ARE AGAINST FREEDOM. IF YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY SO WE CAN GUARANTEE THE SECURITY OF THIS NATION, YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS AND AGAINST FREEDOM.

NOW, LET'S CONCENTRATE ON DELIVERING MORE FREEDOM TO IRAQ AND THE US!!!

IT'S ABOUT FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMM!!!!!!

8/9/2005 2:54:37 PM

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"Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war."

Am I the only one that noticed that all of the terrorist attacks mentioned in the article prior to this statement occurred before Clinton was in any position to do anything about them?

Non-political.

Right.

[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 2:56 PM. Reason : der]

8/9/2005 2:55:58 PM

^^ Press the button that says "Caps Lock"

That should fix your problem.

8/9/2005 2:59:46 PM

A number of the attacks he mentioned were by bin Laden and Al-qaeda. How is invading Iraq "waking up"?

Where is Osama bin Laden?

The real wake up call will occur when Americans realize that Bush has made our country less safe than ever before.

8/9/2005 3:02:43 PM

8/9/2005 3:07:13 PM

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"Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war"

war against who?

a tactic called 'terrorism'?

how can you kill all the terrorists if terrorism is just a choice of military engagement

8/9/2005 3:07:15 PM

okay, it appears what i orginally posted has numerous bits and pieces added by the website owner, or by someone other than the captain. here's a much more accurate version... fawkin idiots, i hate people who skew good quotes/speeches to fit their own agenda

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"America WAKE UP! That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then. It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next 23 years. America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism. America's military had been decimated and downsized / right sized since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start. Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war...the Wake Up alarm is louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision, they kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep. The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep. And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep. In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America has to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to hit the Snooze Button again and roll over and go back to sleep. We have to make the terrorists know that in the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor "that all they have done is to awaken a sleeping giant." Thank you very much."

8/9/2005 3:12:31 PM

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"i can't wait to even the score up a little more. one mk82 at a time. Fuck a terrorist."

Right... That's why you will arm yourself and go to a foreign country to kill people who live there.

8/9/2005 3:24:17 PM

i hope he goes to your home town.

8/9/2005 3:29:36 PM

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"i can't wait to even the score up a little more. one mk82 at a time. Fuck a terrorist. "

how do you know the iraqs youre killing arent just thugs?

8/9/2005 3:31:56 PM

either way, it's cool.

8/9/2005 3:32:49 PM

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"okay, it appears what i orginally posted has numerous bits and pieces added by the website owner, or by someone other than the captain. here's a much more accurate version... fawkin idiots, i hate people who skew good quotes/speeches to fit their own agenda"

yea, that is fucking retarded

8/9/2005 3:34:30 PM

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"the captain actually made no reference to either candidate, "

just because someone doesn't mention a persons name doesn't mean they aren't supporting or maligning someone

8/9/2005 3:40:56 PM

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"okay, it appears what i orginally posted has numerous bits and pieces added by the website owner, or by someone other than the captain. here's a much more accurate version... fawkin idiots, i hate people who skew good quotes/speeches to fit their own agenda"

this and the speach being years old are why you dont post emails

8/9/2005 3:49:16 PM

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"Right... That's why you will arm yourself and go to a foreign country to kill people who live there. "

no, you know why i originally put my name on the dotted line to go to foreign countries to kill people who live there?

afghanistan and iraq didn't even have anything to do with it. september 11th was after i'd already signed up. hell, it was after i went to OCS.

the shit going on in Africa that we had been involved in (and were talking about getting more involved in), along with the shit like Milosevic's "ethnic cleansing" was what made me sign up. i figured that if even if i didn't get sent to Somalia, Rwanda, or the Sudan or Bosnia, or wherever, that something else would come up. i figured that another group of shitty people who the world would be better off without would show up.

and guess what...i was right.

those bastards fucking things up for everyone in iraq are no better than warlords in fucked up African countries or genocidal animals in fucked up European countries.

8/9/2005 3:52:21 PM

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"those bastards fucking things up for everyone in iraq"

Are you refering to yourself?



[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ]

8/9/2005 3:53:23 PM

All i can say for Duke is yup. Its all fun and games until you see a mass grave.

[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2005 3:54:41 PM

I wonder if Captain Ouimette feels the same way today as he did over 2 years ago.

It was posted on 19 Feb 2003

http://www.orbusmax.com/alerts/americawakeup_031903.html

[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 4:03 PM. Reason : You sure he gave that speech last month? ]

8/9/2005 4:02:20 PM

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"those bastards fucking things up for everyone in iraq are no better than warlords in fucked up African countries or genocidal animals in fucked up European countries."

Oh, you hated genocidal animals in Yugoslavia. It thought there must have been a reason why the Americans fought on the side of Tudjman and Izetbegovich. And that's why you guys killed more civilians in Iraq than Saddam. You hated bastards fucking things up for everyone. I guess that clears up a lot.

8/9/2005 5:04:47 PM

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"just because someone doesn't mention a persons name doesn't mean they aren't supporting or maligning someone"

true, but i don't see any underlying references of support for anyone. when questioned about the speech during this past election, he said it wasn't intended as support for anyone, just his views on the "war on terror" or lack thereof. take him at his word or not. i mean, chances are being military and his views expressed he's likely a bush supporter but i don't see in that speech he's trying to convey that. i think it's a good speech, and goes beyond some gay "who's the better president" debate.

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"The real wake up call will occur when Americans realize that Bush has made our country less safe than ever before."

care to back that up with any proof/examples? i'm not saying things are better, but i don't see that we're any less secure. i'm of the mindset there's not but so much anyone can do while still keeping this a "free" country.

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"this and the speach being years old are why you dont post emails"

it wasn't an email. i came across it on another internet site.

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"You sure he gave that speech last month?"

did you even bother to read the thread?

8/9/2005 8:07:15 PM

This would mean something if we were actually at war with the entity that attacked us

8/9/2005 8:20:11 PM

Joshnumbers says "how can you kill all the terrorists if terrorism is just a choice of military engagement"


terrorism is NOT just a choice of military engagement. Terrorism is targeting innocents.


[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 9:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2005 9:51:22 PM

yeah, guerilla and terrorist aren't necessarily the same thing.

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"This would mean something if we were actually at war with the entity that attacked us "

we are.

and i didn't say shit about iraq attacking us.

who in the hell do you think we're fighting in iraq (not to mention afghanistan)?

8/9/2005 10:20:01 PM

^^nope:

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"ter·ror·ism Audio pronunciation of "terrorism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm) n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

was bombing the uss cole terrorism? is kidnapping soldiers terrorism? is suicide bombing the mess tents in iraq terrorism? point is: the people don't have to be "innocent." on top of that, i'd doubt that the terrorists would necessarily think the people they were bombing are innocent. they might have very real reasons for wanting to kill those particular people (ie they're christians or americans or something).

[Edited on August 9, 2005 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/9/2005 10:44:47 PM

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"This is not apolitical thing to be hashed over in an election year."

whoops!

8/10/2005 12:16:20 AM

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"who in the hell do you think we're fighting in iraq (not to mention afghanistan)?"

psst

the saudi's attacked us on 911

8/10/2005 3:50:10 AM

America!

FUCK YEAH!

8/10/2005 9:24:26 AM

theDuke866 said:

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"who in the hell do you think we're fighting in iraq (not to mention afghanistan)?"

Natives of a sovereign nation with a culture unlike ours who are resisting a foreign invader's attempt to impose its own style of government on them.

8/10/2005 9:56:46 AM

^ That's almost too much sense.

8/10/2005 9:58:14 AM

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" care to back that up with any proof/examples? i'm not saying things are better, but i don't see that we're any less secure. "

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" "Islamic extremists are exploiting the Iraqi conflict to recruit new anti-U.S. jihadists," CIA Director Porter J. Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "These jihadists who survive will leave Iraq experienced and focused on acts of urban terrorism," he said. "They represent a potential pool of contacts to build transnational terrorist cells, groups and networks in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries." "Our policies in the Middle East fuel Islamic resentment," Vice Adm. Lowell E. Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, told the Senate panel."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28876-2005Feb16.html

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"Western intelligence services fear that more are on the way and will pose a bigger danger than the returnees from Afghanistan in the 1980s and '90s, the global jihad's first generation of terrorists. The anxiety is justified; the fighters in Iraq are, as the CIA has observed, getting better on-the-job training than was available in al-Qaeda's camps in Afghanistan."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1081392,00.html

8/10/2005 10:50:56 AM

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"Joshnumbers says "how can you kill all the terrorists if terrorism is just a choice of military engagement" terrorism is NOT just a choice of military engagement. Terrorism is targeting innocents. "

i suggest you leave the soapbox, this is a place of actual discussion.




george washington was a terrorist in the eyes of england. terrorism is subjective. its a tactic, its a way of influence, its goal is to get maximum effect through fear, becuase of the small numbers of those in the groups attacking (usually).


[Edited on August 10, 2005 at 11:33 AM. Reason : -]

8/10/2005 11:32:20 AM

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"And that's why you guys killed more civilians in Iraq than Saddam"

We havent killed more than he has yet.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/23493/
(about half way down)

8/10/2005 11:41:14 AM

sadam has probably killed more then we ever will

8/10/2005 11:43:21 AM

well obviously the conservatives in this country won't let that stop them from trying

8/10/2005 11:46:00 AM

well since we dont intend on killing civilians, its ok


just like when i tell my teacher, i intended on doing my HW

8/10/2005 11:48:07 AM

Wait, when we say "20,000 Iraqi Civilians killed" what are we including? Are terrorist victims being included, or does that only include "bomb missed" and "trigger happy private"?

I find it hard to believe we have directly killed 20,000 civilians, accidentally or otherwise.

I'm not questioning the validity of including terrorist victims in the statistics, we are responsible for securing the country, I simply wonder what percentage of the total we are legally culpable for.

8/10/2005 12:31:51 PM

20,000 sounds off to me also^


the official CIA estimate is 100,000

8/10/2005 12:38:40 PM

^^ The 20,000 numbers also includes people not killed by the United States. It includes civilians killed by suicide bombs and a bunch of others.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

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"the official CIA estimate is 100,000 "

I call bullshit on that. The study that had estimates that high came from researchers at JHU and was published in a British Journal.

8/10/2005 1:51:36 PM

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

they say between 23,000 and 26,500 iraqi civilian casualties due to the military intervention in iraq. there is an faq on that site which details their methodology for getting those numbers.

[Edited on August 10, 2005 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ^ha. kept my "reply to topic" open too long.]

8/10/2005 1:55:37 PM