The first MB to receive the new AMG engine is the ML class. It is the world's most powerful NA V8. And it also makes the ML63 the world's most powerful SUV.

6.3 liter NA V8

510 hp

465 lb-ft

Replaces the 55 AMG supercharged V8.

S63, SL63, CL63, E63, CLK63, CLS63, R63, G63, and C63 to come in due time (some models are to be revised soon, so they will have to wait for the new engine). 55 "sounds" better than 63 does.

(You can read more about the engine here: http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/amg63_engine.asp )

Specs for ML63 AMG:

0-62 mph in 5 seconds

Top speed of 155 mph (electronically limited)

295/45 R19 all around, optional: 295/40 R20

AND IT IS THE MOST GORGEOUS OF ALL THESE LATEST GERMAN PERFORMANCE SUVs:









[Edited on August 18, 2005 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2005 9:55:40 PM

looks gaudy, whats with all the cladding

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"AND IT IS THE MOST GORGEOUS OF ALL THESE LATEST GERMAN PERFORMANCE SUVs:"

if by most gorgeous you meant ugliest

[Edited on August 18, 2005 at 9:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2005 9:57:07 PM

you can question body cladding or a spolier on a 200 hp vehicle, but not on a 500+ hp vehicle. such a vehicle has earned the right to have those.

8/18/2005 10:02:26 PM

Anyone else find a resemblance in the Chevy Trailblazer???

8/18/2005 10:07:02 PM

who needs to do 160 to soccer practice anyway

8/18/2005 10:11:30 PM

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"Anyone else find a resemblance in the Chevy Trailblazer??? "

yep

8/18/2005 10:20:11 PM

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"who needs to do 160 to soccer practice anyway"

8/18/2005 10:26:28 PM

^ that's a pretty stupid argument.

why is it always used against super-utes, and not super-sedans?

i mean what's the use of a 500+ hp sedan? do you need a car that powerful to go to work, or to lug your family around?

i am not saying that such powerful SUVs are not stupid, i am just pointing out the inconsistency with which that argument is used.

450+ hp sedans, wagons, trucks, and SUVs exist, but that argument is always used against SUVs only.

8/18/2005 10:34:34 PM

id rather have the bmw, porsche, vw, or audi over that thing

[Edited on August 18, 2005 at 10:36 PM. Reason : trailblazer]

8/18/2005 10:36:45 PM

its a station wagon.

8/19/2005 1:31:30 AM

hideous

8/19/2005 1:34:18 AM

I'm less upset by the lack of real design separation in the current M class relative to the first one than by the fact that the new M will be the starting point for the new G-class...

8/19/2005 3:02:30 AM

yo

show me a thread for a 500hp station wagon and i'll ask why soccer mom needs that shit too

8/19/2005 8:28:40 AM

I heard that eventually they're gonna slap some twin turbos onto that beautiful new engine, hehe.

8/19/2005 10:59:55 AM

its ok

like a 7.5 out of 10 maybe 7

8/19/2005 11:07:29 AM

^^^ but you won't question sedans, i suspect.

because 500 hp sedans are for men, and men need 500 hp vehicles, right? for what, picking up the beer?

^^^^ yeah well you know MB always goes for subtle evolution between generations, so it is ok. but yes, the new G class will be completely watered down from the current formidable military truck. it will be quite similar to the ML class, which is not right.

[Edited on August 19, 2005 at 11:09 AM. Reason : ]

8/19/2005 11:07:51 AM

looks like a soccer mom vehicle too me

8/19/2005 12:50:14 PM

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"show me a thread for a 500hp station wagon and i'll ask why soccer mom needs that shit too"

i've never seen a soccer mom in a 500hp wagon

8/19/2005 12:54:37 PM

^ exactly



this sort of vehicle and this sort of power is something that appeals to men, and men alone




keep your fucking faggot idiot trolling in chit chat

8/19/2005 7:56:06 PM

the M class has definitely started looking a hell of a lot better

I saw a new one at the Teeter in Cameron Village

8/20/2005 2:48:30 PM

STILL LOOKS LIKE A VAN

8/20/2005 2:58:36 PM

MB makes ugly SUV's. They all look terrible.

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"It is the world's most powerful NA V8"

By what, 5 horsepower? LS7 makes 505 doesn't it?

8/20/2005 4:39:56 PM

I believe the Z06 makes 500 even.

Regardless, the Z06's engine is significantly larger.

Just saying.

8/20/2005 4:57:53 PM

saleen s7 anyone? 7L N/A (ford bore-center based) v8 , 550 hp... although now I bet they only sell the twin-turbos as anyone ponying up 400k+ is going to go for the full 750 or so....

ascari kz1 also has a 500 hp version of the previous m5's 5.0L v8.... but no that isn't more than the '63.

[Edited on August 30, 2005 at 8:40 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2005 8:34:19 AM

and btw... interesting move MB is making here. replacing:

supercharged 5.5L v8: 493 hp, 516 lbft
with
NA 6.3L v8: 510 hp, 465 lbft

dunno about you, but I think I'd prefer the older motor in bigass cruising cars. In an SLK the new motor might be more fun, but you just know that the older s/c v8 has an incomparably broad torque curve the new motor won't be able to match. hopefully MB knows this and will go for a revvier, wilder approach or else this'll be one of those moves that the public backlashes against and makes the outgoing cars inexplicably depreciation resistant, like porsche ended up (accidentally?) doing for the 993 and earlier air-cooled 911s.

edit:
looks like I ought to just read the article:

Compression ratio 11.3 : 1
Output 510 bhp at 6,800 rpm
Max. torque 465 lb-ft at 5,200 rpm

pretty sure the redline on the old motor was ~6000 and the torque peak was at ~2700, so this is VERY different... I'll go check. I know I've seen the 55 or 65 in the news lately... I might be thinking of the 65...

[Edited on August 30, 2005 at 9:12 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2005 9:05:01 AM

R 63 AMG





[Edited on September 5, 2005 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ]

9/5/2005 12:39:03 PM

faster but even worse

9/5/2005 12:54:10 PM

The LS7 does 505 hp and 470 lb.-ft. of torque.

It was revised up 5hp after SAE tightened its standards for horsepower estimation.

9/5/2005 1:29:31 PM

i want the pacifica on the bottom for my wife

9/5/2005 1:30:25 PM

The back of that bottom one is ok, but the front is horrible.

9/5/2005 3:16:03 PM

I'm an ML fan, and I like this new one as well.

9/6/2005 1:28:14 AM