Will she go to jail? There's not enough here to judge, but it looks as though she shot an unarmed fleeing man to protect her car.(which I don't really have a problem with, though I know the law does) Anyway, we'll see what happens.

http://www.wral.com/news/4906724/detail.html

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"RALEIGH, N.C. -- The State Bureau of Investigation is investigating a deadly shooting involving a Raleigh police officer. Raleigh police said Michelle Peele was working off-duty as a security guard at the La Rosa Linda's restaurant on New Bern Avenue Sunday morning when she spotted a person stealing her personal car at about 1 a.m. Peele confronted the suspect and fired one shot, which hit the man, police said. Police have identified the man as 42-year-old Nyles Arrington. Police said Arrington then drove Peele's vehicle across New Bern Avenue, struck a parked vehicle, drove back across New Bern Avenue and stopped in the median. Arrington was transported to WakeMed, where he was pronounced dead. WRAL asked a spokesman with the Raleigh Police Department if the suspect was armed. The spokesman said the SBI, in accordance with department policy, is conducting an investigation into the incident. The department's Internal Affairs Unit also will conduct an investigation. Police will submit a report about the shooting to the city manager within five days. Peele, who has been with the department since June 1999, has been placed on administrative duties, which is customary in cases such as this, police said. "

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8/28/2005 10:36:43 PM

Well, at she's a good shot.

Who say women can't shoot?

8/28/2005 10:40:06 PM

I support her actions, but I doubt the law does.

8/28/2005 10:42:17 PM

There's not enough information there to see if she was morally right or wrong, IMO, but generally speaking, I don't know if it is right to trade the life of a person for a car.

8/28/2005 10:51:32 PM

Killing a suspect in defense of property, I believe, is only legal in Texas.

BTW, I love the internet. This sentence just sounded halarious to me!

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" From 1987 to 1991, Californians shot, stabbed and beat to death 456 criminals. That is far more than any other state in the country, even when the results are adjusted for the state’s population."

8/28/2005 11:14:16 PM

^

Compton.

8/29/2005 1:24:29 AM

in the dark, 1 am at night, and while dealing with someone willing to steal a car... it wouldn't be hard to over react against the criminal.

8/29/2005 1:29:18 AM

I'm pretty sure the law will not shine upon this woman in favor. I don't know if Lonesnark is correct about Texas, but shooting in defense of property is not legal in North Carolina. For shooting somebody to be legal in North Carolina, the suspect would have had to have threatened her, preferably physically as opposed to just verbally. If the dude had pulled out a gun or a knife, the lady would have a much better chance, but as far as I can see it looks pretty bad for her legally.

In North Carolina (and in probably most other places that don't completely ban guns), there are four questions that have to be answered before the legality of a shooting can be decided: 1) was the defendent in immediate mortal danger? 2) would someone else of sane mind have done the same thing? 3) did the defendent use excessive force? and 4) was the defendent the instigator of the confrontation?

From the info we have, I'd say that 2, 3, and 4 are probably covered, but she's not kosher with regards to 1. That is why I feel that she's probably going to get into legal trouble. However, the law make take her police experience and training and years of good service into account, so I don't know.

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8/29/2005 1:38:37 AM

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"I support her actions, but I doubt the law does."

8/29/2005 6:21:02 AM

Well, I have been searching, and some states make accomodation of deadly force to prevent a felony. In NC this is manifest in the legality of deadly force to prevent armed robbery. But I don't know if grand-theft auto is a felony nor if NC makes such accomodation.

8/29/2005 8:40:51 AM

What do they mean 10% unknown killers on the justified homicides by sex chart. Do they mean trannies or something?

8/29/2005 10:00:23 AM

I hope she gets off. We need more vigilante justice in the US (even though she is a police officer, so it's not really "true" vigilante). IMO all this means is one less thieving scum on the street.

8/29/2005 10:10:11 AM

Gimme Those Keys, Punk!

8/29/2005 10:31:37 AM

vigilante justice is a double edged sword.

there was some old charles bronson movie about this guy that starts killing muggers after one kills his wife and daughter or something. the crime rate went way down and the cops were scared the public would find out.

8/29/2005 10:46:06 AM

Well, not all vigilante justice has to be mortal. A severe, non-mortal wound would teach a criminal a lesson a lot better than the month they would spend in prison for theft.

8/29/2005 11:01:53 AM

CLEARLY SHE HAS PLAYED TOO MANY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES
AND WATCHED TOO MANY VIOLENT MOVIES

8/29/2005 11:22:28 AM

Putting them in a wheelchair would often serve as better punishment than prison, because their ability to commit crime is almost non-existant and you don't have to incarcerate.

8/29/2005 11:25:19 AM

yeah but its hard to get a spine shot on a guy in a car.

8/29/2005 11:37:24 AM

texas is the only state where it is legal to shoot over property


all this woman has to do is prove that she felt her life was in danger causing her to shoot the CRIMINAL

8/29/2005 11:39:46 AM

Yeah from a legal standpoint, she'll be able to pull the strings of "I'm a trained law enforcement officer, this guy is a now deceased criminal". That is, unless the media gets ahold of it and calls for her head (which may already be happening).

8/29/2005 11:43:50 AM

which is sad, cause the poor guy that was stealing a car got shot boofuckinghoo

8/29/2005 11:49:03 AM

Legal or not, I suspect the Jury might nullify her case, depending if their is a "sick and tired of crime" individual on the jury.

8/29/2005 12:56:18 PM

It says that she confronted the suspect, so she could have been worried about being run over with the car, in which case shooting was justifiable.

8/29/2005 1:40:40 PM

It is a women! They don't go to jail!

I question if the DA will even attempt to try her, because he knows he'll probably never find a jury to convict her.

8/29/2005 1:45:28 PM

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"there was some old charles bronson movie about this guy that starts killing muggers after one kills his wife and daughter or something. the crime rate went way down and the cops were scared the public would find out."

Deathwish.

8/29/2005 3:02:26 PM

According to the N&O today:

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"Arrington's family, however, said Internal Affairs investigators told them that Arrington sneaked behind the wheel of Peele's car when she ran inside the restaurant to respond to a call. Then Peele, seeing Arrington behind the wheel of her car, stepped in front of the moving car. Arrington continued to drive toward her; she shot him once in the chest, Arrington's brother-in-law, Tim Williams, said Sunday night. "

8/29/2005 3:25:20 PM

^ Justifiable.

8/29/2005 3:36:03 PM

He probably didnt think she was going to go Hollywood on his ass and cap him as he was driving toward her.

8/29/2005 3:42:13 PM

Thats actually a pretty good idea. I'm going to begin stepping in front of moving cars and then capping the driver.

8/29/2005 3:44:28 PM

^^^^

ahahhaha, that's a good enough straw for me

8/29/2005 4:28:13 PM

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"Thats actually a pretty good idea. I'm going to begin stepping in front of moving cars and then capping the driver."

Sounds like a plan.

8/29/2005 4:41:04 PM

am i the only one who pictures "sneaked behind the wheel" to mean dude was crouched behind the car

8/29/2005 5:09:24 PM

Alas, this was the last test of his ninja training.

8/29/2005 5:20:14 PM

I'm pretty sure he didnt pass.

8/29/2005 6:28:05 PM

regardless of whether it was justified or not, all cops are just itching to squeeze off a round at someone, so when they get a hint of opportunity, they take it.

8/29/2005 7:49:22 PM

So your saying all cops are sadistic killers at heart?

8/29/2005 7:52:46 PM

clearly you've never been pulled for more than 10 mph over

you wouldn't have to ask that question if you had

8/29/2005 8:13:33 PM

I've had two tickets in the last 4 months. One 16 over and the other 10. The second ticket was actually 15 over but the female cop from winterville gave me a reduction becuase she felt sorry for me.

Police are taught to eliminate a percieved threat before deadly action should take place. I'm not saying there are not dirty cops out there, but to say all cops are bloodthirsty is ridiculous.

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8/29/2005 8:19:09 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/4909804/detail.html

It looks like they're handling this properly and not just brushing it under the table.

8/29/2005 8:27:43 PM

Its a shame that we even have to talk about things like this.

The woman had her property stole in front of her face. The only way she probably could have stopped him would have been to shoot him. It was a lose-lose situation for her. She could have either let the guy steal her car, or shoot him and face what she is now. If the shot would have not been lethal, then the criminal probably would have got a month in jail, then he could have pressed civil charges ect. against Peele. The laws are way way way way way to loose on situations like this.

8/29/2005 8:51:12 PM

8/29/2005 9:04:13 PM

I'm not saying ALL cops are sadistic killers. just most of them have a hard-on to use their gun, thats all. out of the cops I know, three of them have killed people, in and out of the line of duty, and the other two talk about the "what if" they had to situation quite alot. While it is something you have to consider if you're going to be in law enforcement, you don't have to do it gleefully or talk about it.

When you have killed someone, you tend to think about doing it quite differently than you do had you not. It changes you. Taking a human life is a powerful thing and not something that you would think one would want to do. However I can understand how holding that much power in ones hands could make someone want to use it.

8/29/2005 11:32:43 PM

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"I support her actions, but I doubt the law does."

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"I hope she gets off. We need more vigilante justice in the US (even though she is a police officer, so it's not really "true" vigilante). IMO all this means is one less thieving scum on the street. "

i have a friend who posts on this website who killed gangbangers and other violent criminals on several occassions by smothering them with a pillow.

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"I'm not saying ALL cops are sadistic killers. just most of them have a hard-on to use their gun, thats all. out of the cops I know, three of them have killed people, in and out of the line of duty, and the other two talk about the "what if" they had to situation quite alot. While it is something you have to consider if you're going to be in law enforcement, you don't have to do it gleefully or talk about it. When you have killed someone, you tend to think about doing it quite differently than you do had you not. It changes you. Taking a human life is a powerful thing and not something that you would think one would want to do. However I can understand how holding that much power in ones hands could make someone want to use it. "

cops piss me off all the time, but it's crazy to say that they're bloodthirsty killers.

and what's wrong with doing it with a smile on your face if you're killing someone who really sucks? I can't wait to kill some people who suck.

and either way, there's nothing wrong with talking about it if you're comfortable with it.

8/29/2005 11:45:44 PM

i hope the court charges her with murder. I'm sorry, but your fucking car is not worth someone's life. Die Bitch.

8/30/2005 10:07:20 AM

this story doesnt add up at all

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"Raleigh police said Michelle Peele was working off-duty as a security guard at the La Rosa Linda's restaurant on New Bern Avenue Sunday morning when she spotted a person stealing her personal car at about 1 a.m."

then today:

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"Arrington's family, however, said Internal Affairs investigators told them that Arrington sneaked behind the wheel of Peele's car when she ran inside the restaurant to respond to a call. Then Peele, seeing Arrington behind the wheel of her car, stepped in front of the moving car. "

so was she on duty and answering a call, or off duty working as a security guard? and was this her personal vehicle or blue & white?

some news i heard also stated it is a violation of a year old policy to enter the path of a moving vehicle.

8/30/2005 10:50:35 AM

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"so was she on duty and answering a call, or off duty working as a security guard? and was this her personal vehicle or blue & white?"

Answering a call of the shop owner's is how I read it (off duty). It was her personal vehicle.

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"some news i heard also stated it is a violation of a year old policy to enter the path of a moving vehicle."

Judging by how the stories describe the guy driving I don't think it was exactly in the middle of a street. It doesn't matter where she is either, if the driver shoes clear and intent threat to run her over then its gonna be justifiable.

And I don't know what cops you've met but my sister and brother-in-law (as well as his brother and their friends) have never killed anyone and have absolutely no desire to kill anyone, they would prefer it if they never had to unholster their gun. Oh and my brother-in-law was TACT team and did undercover for NARC squad so its not like he walked the easy streets. Cops are going to talk about the what if's because they happen. Heck, my sister was going to do some follow up questioning at an apartment complex and hile walking up a sidewalk someone fired a shotgun from a doorway and the spray went right between their heads. There was no provocation and no warning (they weren't even going to that guy's apartment).

8/30/2005 1:44:23 PM

^that's called anecdotal evidence.

8/30/2005 3:05:24 PM

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"i hope the court charges her with murder. I'm sorry, but your fucking car is not worth someone's life. Die Bitch."

come try to steal my car. you will find out it is worth more than you.

hell, come try to steal my stapler.

8/30/2005 3:41:16 PM

Haha, this thread has become everything I hoped it'd be.

8/30/2005 4:21:19 PM