I think they are back, Brady's offense was ROLLLLLLIN today

9/3/2005 11:40:09 PM

1 game and they're back?

9/3/2005 11:44:48 PM

against Pitt, a team which they rolled over.

9/3/2005 11:47:20 PM

schedule is too tough

they looked good tonight though

9/3/2005 11:50:06 PM

funny how ND was a joke earlier today but after the asskicking they put on tonight ESPN commentators are all over their cocks

9/4/2005 1:31:23 AM

ND sucks

Pitt sucks

[/thread]

9/4/2005 1:35:14 AM

well, i feel better about usf's chances against pitt, but worse about the big east's chances of keeping their BCS bid now.

9/4/2005 5:32:26 AM

collegefootballnews.com picked ND over scUM (to borrow Ohio State's little nickname)..

[Edited on September 7, 2005 at 1:12 PM. Reason : f]

9/7/2005 1:12:04 PM

and collegefootballnews is a bunch of idiots.



If ND even gets close I'll be amazed

9/7/2005 1:13:34 PM

Quote :

"schedule is too tough"

Yeah, and everyone thought Pitt would be a tough game for them.

For ND to be "back," though, it'll take more than a few games or one good year (don't forget that Ty was 10-2 his first year there).

9/7/2005 1:14:02 PM

^^ Why? Michigan [and ND for that matter] doesn't have that strong a defense. If Weis calls a good game then I see no reason why it would be a blowout. They beat them last year with far less of a team. I'm not saying ND will win but to think it will be a blowout.. i just don't see that..

9/7/2005 1:23:55 PM

ND's schedule is no tougher than pretty much that of any other team in a major conference. They scheduled teams that have recognizable names from the past but aren't worth shit now (Syracuse, Washington, BYU, and Stanford... hell, Mighigan State and Purdue ain't exactly studs either). Michigan, Tennessee, and Pitt is no different than what an ACC, SEC, or Big 12 teams faces in conference (like us playing VaTech, FSU, and BC).

Don't believe the hype. Big Blue will crush them.

9/7/2005 1:36:07 PM

The wolverines aint losin to nobody (cept OSU )

9/7/2005 1:39:18 PM

^^ umm a lot of people are predicting Purdue to win the Big 10. Granted it's because they don't play OSU or Michigan but they aren't some schlub team..

I'll go on record saying this. Notre Dame 31 - Michigan 28. If I'm wrong so be it.

and Tenn, Mich, Purdue, USC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FSU, BC, VT



[Edited on September 7, 2005 at 1:44 PM. Reason : ..]

9/7/2005 1:43:26 PM

haha you just said PURDUE is not good? are u kidding me

please watch football more and look at their defense and its experience

9/7/2005 3:09:38 PM

if michigan has trouble with anyone this year it'l be iowa....i'll be at the ND game to make sure no shenanigans occur. it was my presence last year at the MSU game that led to the great comeback

9/7/2005 7:14:17 PM

^yea thats the truth, i think Iowa is one raw ass team

9/7/2005 7:18:44 PM

Purdue always looks strong in the preseason and early on then when the competition really comes they collapse. Everyone knows that the Big Ten gets overinflated because its "glory days" football. I used to fall for the Purdue hype but never again. Last year was the last straw.

Yeah, so listing NCSU's opponents wasn't the best of choices... but just take a look at your typical SEC team or someone in the ACC who doesn't have a pass on the top dogs and you'll see that ND's schedule is pretty typical.

9/8/2005 1:36:27 AM

I disagree about the schedule plain and simple.. sure teams like Syracuse and Pitt (although I feel as the season progresses they will be pretty good still) aren't as good as their glory years but you still have USC (#1), Michigan (#3), Tennessee (#6), Purdue (#13), Michigan State (#39), and a very tough Navy team (just ask Maryland -- who Navy throughouly manhandled even though UMd somehow won)..

No team in the country plays a schedule with 4 Top 13 teams on it I would bet.. plus there are no typical cupcakes like a Michigan has with an Eastern Michigan or a down year NIU.

As the season plays out I would bet the only team in the country that has a comparable schedule ranking to ND is Ohio State [I would say Texas but both A&M and OU losing hurt that already] with games against #2, #3, #8, #32, #36 and #39

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:06 AM. Reason : f]

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:07 AM. Reason : oops.. they don't play Wisconsin]

9/8/2005 8:03:43 AM

USC #1 - Overrated. Losing Chow is gonna hurt big. 3 losses would not surprise me in the least. They will get decimated in their New Years Bowl.
Michigan #3 - Overrated. They definitely haven't lived up to their billing the last few years. The Big Ten gets more props then it should, really.
Tennesee #6 - Overrated. Tennessee has had its share of QB controversies in the past but usually its just decind who is the best and not who sucks the least.
Purdue #13 - See previous post.

Early season rankings are pointless anyways but there are plenty of teams who have it tough based on them... just look at #23 Virginia (#7 VaTech, #11 FSU, #14 Miami, #17 Ga Tech, #19 BC). Or UNC (#7 VaTech, #12 Louisville, #14 Miami, #17 Ga Tech, #19 BC, #23 UVA) How about Ga Tech (#7 Va Tech, #9 Georgia, #14 Miami, #16 Auburn, #23 UVa, #25 Clemson, and an undervalued NCSU). FSU takes on a bnuch too (#9 Miami, #10 FLorida, #19 BC, #23 UVa, #25 Clemson, and NCSU). Look at someone like Kentucky who plays #5 LSU, #6 Tenn, #9 UGa, #11 FSU (thats 4 in the top [i]11[/1] and none of them named Purdue. My point is that Notre Dame's schedule soudns a lot more impressive than it actually is because of the names. Plenty of teams have just as tough, if not tougher schedules, top to bottom.

No cupcakes? Washington, Stanford, and BYU in their current state are essentially cupcakes. They aren't just not good, they are bad.

You honestly think Syracuse will be pretty good? Did you see their game at all? 103 yards of total offense and 0/15 on third down conversions. They aren't going to do shit.

9/8/2005 9:23:16 AM

so basically your saying you think everyone on NDs schedule is overrated. Fair enough. I say the same about all the ACC teams pretty much outside of Va Tech. Like I said. When the season plays out I feel that the two teams with the best SOS will be OSU and ND.. we'll see.

Oh and I never said Syracuse will be good.. Pitt I believe will be a decent team though..

You seem to be totally discounting the Big 10 and overhyping the ACC.. which happens every single year on this message board.. when all is said and done every single year, the Big 10 proves to be the better conference..

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 9:30 AM. Reason : f]

9/8/2005 9:26:07 AM

Basically, Iowa would roll over anybody

9/8/2005 9:55:52 AM

Quote :

"so basically your saying you think everyone on NDs schedule is overrated. Fair enough. I say the same about all the ACC teams pretty much outside of Va Tech. Like I said. When the season plays out I feel that the two teams with the best SOS will be OSU and ND.. we'll see."

When I said USC/Tenn/UM were overrated I didn't men they weren't good, just that they weren't the best in the country good. UM will have its typical 2 losses. Tennessee will lose to UGa, LSU, and probably Florida. And USC will just be settling back down to reality. They are stil some of the best teams in the country. You might say that about the ACC but as of right the upper half has made a good showing for OOC (taking out Texas A&M and Auburn). Of course its all speculation and still too early to tell for any of this.

Quote :

"Oh and I never said Syracuse will be good.. Pitt I believe will be a decent team though.."

Sorry, I read "Syracuse and Pitt (although I feel as the season progresses they will be pretty good still)" as applying to both but see how you could have meant only Pitt. Yeah, Pitt will be fine.

Quote :

"You seem to be totally discounting the Big 10 and overhyping the ACC.. which happens every single year on this message board.. when all is said and done every single year, the Big 10 proves to be the better conference.."

I'm a Big 10 fan. I grew up in Illinois and have always been a Michigan fan (so not at all biased against ND ). I discount them because they haven't lived up to their billing the last few years. How does the Big 10 prove to be the better conference at the end of the year? If anything the Big Ten always falls apart at the end of the year (very lackluster in bowl games). Every year the Big Ten is supposed to be neck and neck with the SEC as the best in the country and they always disappoint. I love the Big Ten but they are not what they used to be.

Here are what the power ratings say about SOS:

Rank	Team		PR	PS	SOS								
64	North Carolina	0.519	0.519	0.843								
107	Temple  	0.303	0.317	0.744								
18	Georgia Tech	0.704	0.644	0.729								
79	Arizona 	0.442	0.418	0.725								
84	Washington	0.420	0.448	0.725								
1	USoCal  	0.895	0.887	0.722								
59	Northwestern	0.551	0.525	0.721								
66	Stanford	0.518	0.518	0.715								
39	Maryland	0.636	0.615	0.700								
26	Notre Dame	0.671	0.626	0.695								
31	UCLA    	0.655	0.624	0.680								
5	Oklahoma	0.788	0.872	0.670								
36	Colorado	0.644	0.628	0.670								
12	Tennessee	0.759	0.752	0.665								
35	Clemson 	0.649	0.630	0.665								
77	Wake Forest	0.453	0.497	0.665								
118	Wild Card U	0.240	0.237	0.662								
28	Minnesota	0.661	0.630	0.658								
9	Virginia Tech	0.776	0.756	0.656								
22	Wisconsin	0.694	0.674	0.656								
103	Duke    	0.334	0.353	0.655								
10	Ohio State	0.772	0.756	0.642								
24	Virginia	0.690	0.685	0.642								
27	Arizona State	0.666	0.650	0.641								
94	Kentucky	0.384	0.389	0.641								

Conference	PR	PS	SOS
ACC     	0.636	0.633	0.665
Pac 10  	0.63	0.621	0.659
Big Ten 	0.625	0.603	0.631

9/8/2005 10:17:23 AM

Is this based on 1 week though? It's a moot point until it's futher along in the season I guess..

** also, isn't SOS only for games played already.. not based on future games?

9/8/2005 10:26:53 AM

There was a YTD category just after the SOS one that handled only games played. This SOS is for the whole year (otherwise NCSU wouldn't be #40 in SOS after having just played a top 10 team).

Honestly, rankings and SOS are pointless at this point of the season. You can say ND is playing 4 top 13 teams and I can point numerous other similar tough schedules but these rankings aren't going to apply at the end of the season. We really don't know how good or bad some of these teams are gonna be. I'm just trying to nip the ND love-fest in the bud the best I can.

9/8/2005 10:59:45 AM

cant believe i missed this thread

big game tommorow, should be a tight one

9/9/2005 10:18:20 PM

can we stop licking notre dame's balls after the pitt loss to Ohio?

9/10/2005 2:53:56 AM

replace 'we' with

1 or 2 misguided homers

because everyone else is well aware that ND still lives in the palace of mediocrity for programs with delusions of grandeur.

They will not beat UM.

9/10/2005 8:47:47 AM

Michigan will be a good test for Notre Dame. But I'm hoping the Irish beat Michigan so that I can watch in person the Boilermakers of Purdue give them their first loss.

Quote from above:

"ND's schedule is no tougher than pretty much that of any other team in a major conference. They scheduled teams that have recognizable names from the past but aren't worth shit now (Syracuse, Washington, BYU, and Stanford... hell, Mighigan State and Purdue ain't exactly studs either). Michigan, Tennessee, and Pitt is no different than what an ACC, SEC, or Big 12 teams faces in conference (like us playing VaTech, FSU, and BC)."


Ok. Lets compare to NC State, which I would say is a normal major conference schedule.

Notre Dame:

09/03 at #23 Pittsburgh W 42-21
09/10 at #3 Michigan 12:00 PM
09/17 Mich St 2:30 PM
09/24 at Washington 3:30 PM
10/01 at #13 Purdue TBD
10/15 #1 USC 3:30 PM
10/22 BYU 2:30 PM
11/05 #6 Tennessee 2:30 PM
11/12 Navy 1:00 PM
11/19 Syracuse 2:30 PM
11/26 at Stanford 3:30 PM


NC State:

09/04 #8 Va Tech L 20-16
09/17 E Kentucky 6:00 PM
09/24 UNC TBD
10/06 at #17 Ga Tech 7:30 PM
10/13 #25 Clemson 7:30 PM
10/22 at W Forest TBD
10/29 So Miss TBD
11/05 at #11 Florida St TBD
11/12 at #19 BC TBD
11/19 M Tenn St 1:00 PM
11/26 Maryland TBD


A point to Notre Dame for not having a I-AA team. Another point to Notre Dame for not having a Sun Belt team. Another point to Notre Dame for having 5 road games versus NC State's 4.

Notre Dame has 6 teams on their schedule that could compete for their conference championship, and 3 that could compete for the national championship. NC State has 1 team on their schedule that could compete for the national championship.


Comparing likeable games: At Pitt is probably on the level of Southern Miss at home. At Washington is probably the same as at Boston College. Navy and Maryland are pretty much equal (see game last week). BYU at home is probably the same as at Wake Forest. Clemson at home versus Michigan State at home is probably the same (a bit of a stretch but I'll give benefit of the doubt).

So that leaves:

at Michigan, at Purdue, USC, Tennessee, Syracuse, at Stanford

versus

Virginia Tech, Eastern Kentucky, North Carolina, at Georgia Tech, at Florida State, Middle Tennessee State


Hands down, Notre Dame wins. Their season ticket holders get to see so many good games. I'm jealous, we get the power of EKU and the Mid Tenners.

[Edited on September 10, 2005 at 10:14 AM. Reason : .]

9/10/2005 10:08:23 AM

Why are you comparing ND to NCSU to assert or at least imply that ND has national relevance?

NCSU certainly isn't there. ND is a comparably mediocre program, but is not in the same league as Michigan, Oklahoma, Tennessee, USC, Miami, or FSU.

However, their fans have this delusion that they are, in fact, up there.

Not so much anymore.

9/10/2005 10:17:05 AM

funny thing is, ND beat 2 of those wonderful programs just last year

nobody thinks that ND is on the level of USC or Oklahoma at this point

but only fucking morons think that the 5 or 6 dominant teams will be the 5 or 6 dominant teams for perpetuity.


ps: if you read flying ryan's post he was purely illustrating the strength of ND's schedule not saying that NCST was a powerhouse

[Edited on September 10, 2005 at 10:24 AM. Reason : d]

9/10/2005 10:23:15 AM

Quote :

"nobody thinks that ND is on the level of USC or Oklahoma at this point"

funny, i'd swear that's what people were trying to say last week.

9/10/2005 10:32:29 AM

Quote :

"Michigan #3 - Overrated. They definitely haven't lived up to their billing the last few years. The Big Ten gets more props then it should, really"

the big ten doesnt get as much as they should

the Big 12 is the most overfuckingrated conference

Michigan is not overrated one bit and look for them to put 28 up on the scoreboard in the first half vs ND

9/10/2005 10:41:09 AM

^^ nobody fucking said that

michigan overrated? too early to tell...thats great if they put up 28, heres hoping their defense doesnt allow the same

9/10/2005 10:47:49 AM

i give ND respect, b/c they are the 2nd best program ever


but u know lou all that hype after beating Pitt was unwarranted


and yall are playing in the big house

[Edited on September 10, 2005 at 10:50 AM. Reason : btw this is BoobsR_gr8 the michigan fan ]

9/10/2005 10:49:33 AM

GO IRISH!! and this is my only post of the day! this is one of the best Saturdays of the year by far. Don't have to worry about watching Jay Davis throw a game and there are TONS of awesome games..

Flame away!

9/10/2005 10:51:56 AM

^ agreed except for the go irish part

9/10/2005 10:52:51 AM

im not saying ND is gonna win today, i never said that

i was impressed by the way the offense looked against pitt. if pitt had lost to cary high last night i still would have been impressed with the ND offensive scheme

9/10/2005 10:54:26 AM

i really think ND's defense is a lot weaker than people think, and if its a shootout, then u have to go with the more talented team

9/10/2005 10:56:38 AM

if people dont think that ND's defense is weak, then they shouldnt comment on the matter

im well aware of the defensive woes

i dont think its gonna be a shootout though, not this game

9/10/2005 11:09:31 AM

you sure their defense is weak now?
yeaaaaaaaaaa

9/10/2005 2:03:20 PM

mich looked like clowns today

9/10/2005 3:14:58 PM

Quote :

"If ND even gets close I'll be amazed"

Quote :

"Don't believe the hype. Big Blue will crush them."

Quote :

"The wolverines aint losin to nobody (cept OSU )"

Quote :

"if michigan has trouble with anyone this year it'l be iowa....i'll be at the ND game to make sure no shenanigans occur. it was my presence last year at the MSU game that led to the great comeback "

Quote :

"replace 'we' with 1 or 2 misguided homers because everyone else is well aware that ND still lives in the palace of mediocrity for programs with delusions of grandeur. They will not beat UM."

Quote :

"Michigan is not overrated one bit and look for them to put 28 up on the scoreboard in the first half vs ND"

Quote :

"i really think ND's defense is a lot weaker than people think"

This thread should be used as a study of how to eat crow..

9/10/2005 3:15:01 PM

damnit NYM, i was gonna do that

but lets finish this game first

9/10/2005 3:15:30 PM

oops.. well before anyone complains THAT WAS a good call. 2 Views. One showed Henne clearly fumbled before knee/goalline. Second one showed clearly that ND recovered the ball..

umm Brady was down there..please to review

[Edited on September 10, 2005 at 3:17 PM. Reason : fasf]

9/10/2005 3:16:41 PM

lets see what they throw on the field now

9/10/2005 3:17:36 PM

wow, and we thought we had bad fans. it was clearly the right call and they still throw shit. bad fans.

9/10/2005 3:23:14 PM

they are just frustrated, and i understand why

michigan is a classy program with great fans

9/10/2005 3:24:54 PM

haha the quote about puttin 28 up in the first half, they couldnt even put a touchdown up the whole game until 3 left in the 4th

If anyone thinks Notre Dames defense is not good enough to accentuate this offense, you are highly retarded. They have played quite solid, told you this team was one to watch...i dont see them losing a game except to maybe USC and its possible they could beat them I think.

gotta remember they dont show the replay at home if its a good call...sort of a instigation thing


[Edited on September 10, 2005 at 3:27 PM. Reason : :-D]

9/10/2005 3:25:04 PM

Quote :

"If anyone thinks Notre Dames defense is not good enough to accentuate this offense, you are highly retarded. They have played quite solid, told you this team was one to watch...i dont see them losing a game except to maybe USC and its possible they could beat them I think."

lets not get ahead of ourselves

the ND secondary is not good, theres no way around it

they are always solid up front...they lost more than half the starters off a horrible defensive team last year. They are playing solid right now, and hopefully it continues

9/10/2005 3:26:18 PM