Does it bother you people that your efforts to paint Dubya as the Satan we all know he is aren't really getting anywhere, and on top of it the more shit you stir the more it splatters on your lovely left-wing politicos in Louisiana who rejected assistance time and again before and after the hurricane?

All that hyperventilation, and the war is still the only hope you have going into 2006...

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:44 PM. Reason : ---]

9/8/2005 8:41:15 PM

Satan???

Speaking of hyperventilation...

9/8/2005 8:46:05 PM

^
surely you jest. have you been to Democratic Underground lately?

("lately" of course being any time within the past 5 years...)

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:48 PM. Reason : clarification]

9/8/2005 8:48:15 PM

a.) I don't personally blame bush for the disaster
b.) the efforts ARE working. either that, or they don't have to work, because most people already think that the feds did an awful job with this situation. either way, if he was going to come up for re-election again, he'd lose.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:50 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2005 8:50:02 PM

they are pushing me more and more right

9/8/2005 8:52:33 PM

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"DirtyGreek: the efforts ARE working. either that, or they don't have to work, because most people already think that the feds did an awful job with this situation."

How's that?



http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=18412

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:54 PM. Reason : ---]

9/8/2005 8:54:15 PM

Uh...forgive me, for this. But I really have to object.

Was the question really, "Who is most responsible for the problems in New Orleans?"

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 8:56 PM. Reason : o]

9/8/2005 8:56:15 PM

Damn I didn't realize they made the poll subscription-only, it was publicly available yesterday. [yes] that was one of the questions currently on the Gallup homepage.

With teh L3ft running around talking about how everything is Dubya's fault (just go through some of pryderi's recent threads), are you suggesting it's not a valid question?

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 9:00 PM. Reason : ---]

9/8/2005 8:58:44 PM

so the next time the left is in office im going to make the same thread but call it "Question for teh Right" and have the same questions and a different disaster.

9/8/2005 9:04:22 PM

Well, see, as I read through the question and come to the part about "the problems in New Orleans," I'm supposing that we're talking about the flooded city that was destroyed by a hurricane.

From where I'm standing, none of the officials, federal agencies or president had any effect on the hurricane (black helicopter stuff about HAARP weather-control notwithstanding) or the resulting flooding.

In fact, asking "who" is responsible is a little stupid. Isn't it fairly obvious that those most responsible for the problems in New Orleans, being the ones who decided to build a major port city 20 feet below sea level, are now dead?

9/8/2005 9:07:08 PM

^^
more power to you. you'll only have to wait 3 more years until Clinton gets sworn in and we can all swap sides in the debate...

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"Gamecat: In fact, asking "who" is responsible is a little stupid. Isn't it fairly obvious that those most responsible for the problems in New Orleans, being the ones who decided to build a major port city 20 feet below sea level, are now dead?"

BUT OMF W CUT FUNDING TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR THE LEVEES!!1

You are trying to inject logic into the debate. Stop now or teh L3ft will have to ask you to leave...

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 9:08 PM. Reason : ---]

9/8/2005 9:07:18 PM

OMF FORECAST!!1

9/8/2005 9:07:57 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Federal government adequately prepared? 31% 67%
State/local government adequately prepared? 24 75
Blame Bush? 44 55



also, it's not just teh l3ft who's talking shit:

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""A better leader," the paper continued on August 31st, "would have flown straight to the disaster zone and announced the immediate mobilization of every available resource to rescue the stranded, find and bury the dead, and keep the survivors fed, clothed, sheltered and free of disease. "The cool, confident, intuitive leadership Bush exhibited in his first term, particularly in the months following September 11, 2001, has vanished. In its place is a diffident detachment unsuitable for the leader of a nation facing war, natural disaster, and economic uncertainty.""

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=59785
The Union Leader, with columnists: malkin, novak, and goldberg. probably one of the most conservative in the country

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 9:15 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2005 9:13:24 PM

From your link DG:

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"Americans are broadly critical of government preparedness in the Hurricane Katrina disaster — but far fewer take George W. Bush personally to task for the problems, and public anger about the response is less widespread than some critics would suggest."

You basically just illustrated my point.

And when you want to start talking about Teh R1ght complaining, start pulling me some quotes from National Review or the Weekly Standard

9/8/2005 9:21:00 PM

Dear TGD,

Who the hell are these liberals you're hanging around?


P.S. - All you people on the Right are batshit insane. Every single person right of center. I mean, look at Pat Roberson.

9/8/2005 9:37:42 PM

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"black helicopter stuff about HAARP weather-control notwithstanding"

hahaha, did anyone actually bring up a HAARP conspiracy theory? Those are awesome.

9/8/2005 9:51:16 PM

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"batshit insane"

Amen

On another note

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"more power to you. you'll only have to wait 3 more years until Clinton gets sworn in and we can all swap sides in the debate..."

This just cracks me up. The right is so adamant in being every thing anti-Clinton it's unbelievable. The saddest thing is that they smear his presidency based on a blowjob, a blowjob... Nothing is said about the economic stability and surpluses he created at the end of his presidency. All the while they overlook that the rights current standing president isn't worth the lint picked out of a fat man's naval.

9/8/2005 9:55:57 PM

same problem the left perpetually has

whole lotta complaining/comparison

no actual leader stepping foward and acting out "good ideas"

9/8/2005 9:59:13 PM

i should be made dictator for life immediately.

9/8/2005 10:00:17 PM

an authoritarian government is the most effective

9/8/2005 10:03:26 PM

Personally i'm neither for the left or the right. Two extremes governing our nation is not the way it should be done. Both sides represent only the rich first. Congress is filled with a bunch of gutless swine who only cater to the big lobby groups, supported by "donations" from big business. There needs to be a middle party soon, because neither republicans or democrats seem to want to get anything done. It's just a power struggle and us americans are getting the short end of the stick.

9/8/2005 10:05:02 PM

i'd be a benevolent ruler. So its all good.

9/8/2005 10:06:54 PM

Can I be the head of your secret police Shaggy?

9/8/2005 10:09:43 PM

This thread started out as a strawman.

9/8/2005 10:13:19 PM

Forgive me for asking this.
What is a "strawman"
I'm not up to date with the current lingo.

9/8/2005 10:14:37 PM

it's an already tearabledowner argument

9/8/2005 10:17:23 PM

Ah, so this is just another ridiculous bitch and moan thread. Thank you

9/8/2005 10:20:24 PM

Teh l3ft cannot win the debate of ideas so they have to latch on to anything that they think can give them some kind of poltical edge. It's interesting to see the media echo the democrat talking points, as if Bush could have miraculously have predicted what was going to happen.

9/8/2005 10:26:43 PM

The left didn't have the christian grassroots stirred up by 911 to assist them in the elections, but it's clear that Bush has eroded away his own following to a more right wing extremist group. You can see his support waning by even republican majority leader senator Frist. They're still powerful none the less, it's just that they wont be able to win the debate of ideas come next time in my opinion.

9/8/2005 10:35:15 PM

"strawman" is perfect for people who pretend they want to debate, but will never listen to the other side

it sounds like they're breaking every thing down logically, and deconstructing it

dunno why they bother

might as well soap themselves in dogma

9/8/2005 10:35:17 PM

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"supercalo: This just cracks me up. The right is so adamant in being every thing anti-Clinton it's unbelievable. The saddest thing is that they smear his presidency based on a blowjob, a blowjob... Nothing is said about the economic stability and surpluses he created at the end of his presidency."

1) who mentioned Bill?

2) use the search button for the Clinton surplus "he created". that argument's already been lost by teh L3ft several times over...

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"moron: This thread started out as a strawman."

How's that?

Unlike a strawman (a distortion of someone else's argument), there's been plenty of media coverage for the past week on teh L3ft's futile effort at painting W as teh deb1l...

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 11:00 PM. Reason : ---]

9/8/2005 10:58:48 PM

Strawman's when you falsely characterize your opposition in such a way as to make winning an argument easier.

Like,

"liberals want to take your guns"

9/8/2005 11:19:26 PM

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"^^ more power to you. you'll only have to wait 3 more years until Clinton gets sworn in and we can all swap sides in the debate... ---"

I believe that was your quote was it not?
The fact that during his presidency he actually cut the deficit and achieved this is all the merit you need to know that he was good president. What else freaking matters.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/26/clinton.economy/
I suppose now you're gonna say those figures are tarnished because it's a cnn story.

9/8/2005 11:21:23 PM

yeah, it was a scary moment for fox news with shepard smith and geraldo rivera calling out the usual spin and telling hannity he was full of armchair silliness

their comments might have been emotional and pondering (especially with geraldo crying,) but it was still pointless

the fact of the matter is that no one from the left has gone down there and done anything inspirational

what this moment needed was a john brown emerging from the water and taking charge without the federal government's sayso

9/8/2005 11:25:28 PM

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"All that hyperventilation, and the war is still the only hope you have going into 2006... "

ONLY war. huh.

well glad its nothing signficant. wars arent significant.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 11:27 PM. Reason : 0]

9/8/2005 11:27:01 PM

ha. .I was kinda thinkin the same thing when I read that earlier

9/8/2005 11:34:23 PM

Quote :

"Unlike a strawman (a distortion of someone else's argument), there's been plenty of media coverage for the past week on teh L3ft's futile effort at painting W as teh deb1l..."

I stay out of the media as much as possible. But, when I do catch something, and from the stuff people have posted, most people want to blame FEMA (which Bush is tied to because he appointed the director guy), and the governor. Few reasonable people are directly attacking and solely blaming Bush, but Bush does have his share of blame. By starting this thread, you're not serving any good purpose, because the way it's worded, it's clearly troll bait, and it's also clear you mind is made up. People like you whose only desire is to polarize "teh l3ft" from the "neocons" is partly what's wrong with this country's politics.

Also, the Democratic Underground does not represent most democrats, or "the left" in any meaningful way.

But, you can continue with your trollfest now.

9/8/2005 11:45:36 PM

Quote :

"Also, the Democratic Underground does not represent most democrats, or "the left" in any meaningful way"

Seriously. It reps the dems about as much as the SDS did in the 60s-70s.

9/9/2005 12:03:12 AM

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"Nothing is said about the economic stability and surpluses he created at the end of his presidency."

yeah, its really easy to create a surplus by raping our military for eight years and all... overextended, what? and its also really easy to create a surplus when you get to get all the tax money from a tech boom that you had NOTHING to do with and that went bust shortly after you left office because you did nothing to actually control the boom (stock market of 1920s anyone?)

9/9/2005 12:11:56 AM

who was in the majority of the house and senate during Clinton years?

9/9/2005 12:17:17 AM

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"boonedocks: Strawman's when you falsely characterize your opposition in such a way as to make winning an argument easier."

We've been over this already...

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"TGD: Unlike a strawman (a distortion of someone else's argument), there's been plenty of media coverage for the past week on teh L3ft's futile effort at painting W as teh deb1l..."

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"supercalo: I believe that was your quote was it not?"

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"TGD: 1) who mentioned Bill?"

(surely you're familiar with the 22nd amendment right?)

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"supercalo: I suppose now you're gonna say those figures are tarnished because it's a cnn story."

Nah, I cite CNN stories all the time. Try deviating from your Teh L3ft H4ndb00k every now and then and come up with something original.

The fact CNN wrote it though doesn't change the fact that "he" didn't do shit to "cut the deficit"...beyond cutting defense spending, having his wife help give Republicans control of both houses of Congress (thereby creating the economy-boosting political gridlock that ensued), and being in the right place at the right time when the tech boom got underway.

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"Josh8315: ONLY war. huh. well glad its nothing signficant. wars arent significant."

Where exactly did you see "ONLY war" anywhere in that line? I must be missing it...

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"moron: Few reasonable people are directly attacking and solely blaming Bush...Also, the Democratic Underground does not represent most democrats, or "the left" in any meaningful way."

1) Surely elected Democrats count as "reasonable people", don't they? Nancy Pelosi is the paradigm of reasonable IMO.

2) The Democratic Underground represents Democrats and teh L3ft about as much as Pat Robertson and the religious right represent Republicans and conservatives.

oh, wait...


[Edited on September 9, 2005 at 12:39 AM. Reason : more]

9/9/2005 12:36:45 AM

[Edited on September 9, 2005 at 12:44 AM. Reason : 2x]

9/9/2005 12:43:10 AM

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"1) Surely elected Democrats count as "reasonable people", don't they? Nancy Pelosi is the paradigm of reasonable IMO. "

I wouldn't say so. Zell Miller is a nut job.

Quote :

"2) The Democratic Underground represents Democrats and teh L3ft about as much as Pat Robertson and the religious right represent Republicans and conservatives. oh, wait..."

Exactly.

9/9/2005 12:44:14 AM

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"moron: Exactly."

Glad we're in agreement then. So does this mean we won't be seeing you people make any further posts equating the two?

9/9/2005 12:45:44 AM

You people? Americans?

I've never equated Republicans with Pat Robertson. I've always acknowledged Pat was a fringe whacko.

[Edited on September 9, 2005 at 12:52 AM. Reason : ]

9/9/2005 12:52:15 AM

i just blame the freemasons for everything

bush is just taking up space

9/9/2005 1:12:13 AM

where the hell is the leader fron the left?

9/9/2005 1:17:02 AM

Quote :

"moron: You people? Americans?"

"You people" => teh L3ft

Feel free to leave Pat Robertson out of it, I'll be content doing without the "OMF all Republicans / conservatives are Bible-thumping religious wackos worried about catching teh gh3y"

9/9/2005 6:16:35 AM

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"the fact of the matter is that no one from the left has gone down there and done anything inspirational "

Al Gore did something.

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_4054083,00.html

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"Haven from fury Mercy Flight Brings Evacuees to ET Gore accompanies about 140 arrivals from New Orleans but declines to take credit By ROBERT WILSON, rlwilson2594@msn.com September 4, 2005 They saw nature's unmatched fury up close. Now they would see unbridled human compassion. About 140 people - mostly elderly and infirm - arrived Saturday at McGhee Tyson Airport on a chartered mercy flight from hurricane-ravaged New Orleans, welcomed to East Tennessee by a bright sun and a host of medical professionals straining at the reins to help their fellow human beings without regard to whether they were on the clock. The displaced hurricane victims came to Tennessee on a hastily arranged flight, accompanied by doctors and carrying whatever they had in boxes, bags or, in one case, an old suitcase tied up with rope. Former Vice President Al Gore arranged the flight and was on board, but he declined to take credit for the airlift, fearing it would be "politicized." The patients and evacuees arrived aboard an American Airlines MD-80 about 3:15 p.m. The unloading process took almost two hours, as some walked hesitantly down a staircase beneath the rear of the aircraft. Others were rolled down a ramp from the front of the plane to waiting wheelchairs. Personnel from Rural/Metro and the Tennessee Air National Guard volunteered their services, as did others, to get the patients and evacuees loaded onto buses or ambulances for the ride to area hospitals to be assessed medically before going to a Red Cross shelter. On hand to help with the operation were Knox County Mayor Mike Ragsdale and his wife, Claudia, still decked out in orange from having attended the University of Tennessee football game against Alabama-Birmingham. The county's first couple assisted medical staff in shuttling patients from the ramp to buses. One of the doctors on board the flight was Dr. Anderson Spickard of Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, who said he had a "personal and professional" relationship with Gore. Spickard said Gore called him about 11 p.m. Friday to ask him to participate in the flight. "The jet was chartered," he said. "It was a private effort." Gore chartered the plane, but, Spickard said, "we'll decide who pays for it later." The doctor said the patients on the plane traveled well and added that he was "pleased" with Knoxville and Knox County's response to the call for help. The patients, he said, "didn't know what kindness" they would receive here. Spickard said the plane would leave McGhee Tyson Saturday evening for Dallas, where he would spend the night before making another mercy flight, possibly to Chattanooga, Nashville or Chicago. The plan had been to make two flights Saturday, Spickard said, but delays in getting to Knoxville meant that the plane could not get back to New Orleans before dark. And there are no landing lights at New Orleans International Airport. Mayor Ragsdale said he was touched by some of the heart-wrenching stories the people told him as they disembarked from the plane. One, he said, was a man of 80-plus years who described being on his roof for three days before being rescued. Another was in an attic that almost filled with water. A third was a man who got off the plane barefooted and with obvious skin trauma to his lower legs, who told the mayor of having to stand in water for 2-3 days. "Some folks are mentally exhausted," he said. And, the mayor said, he has been notified that the Knoxville area can expect as many as 1,500 more evacuees in coming days. Ragsdale said a meeting was held Friday afternoon - before the mercy flight was announced - that included representatives of his staff and Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam's, all area hospitals, Knoxville's Community Development Corporation, Child and Family Services, the Red Cross, the Salvation Army and the Knox County Health Department to come up with a plan to mobilize in case of such an emergency. "We didn't know this would happen," Ragsdale said. "It is fortunate we had the meeting." He called Saturday "a very successful day." Gore chose not to speak to the assembled media, but he was seen in a black T-shirt and jeans moving rapidly from one side of the plane to the other assisting with the off-loading operation. Forty people aboard the plane were uninjured evacuees, mostly family members of the elderly patients. Two or three children and a dog also were on board. Participating in the operation were the Knoxville Fire Department, the Blount County Rescue Squad and the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency. Cruisers from the Tennessee Highway Patrol escorted the buses to hospitals. Additional medical personnel within the regional emergency system also were on standby. Units at the airports included at least 10 ambulances, a phalanx of buses, fire trucks and other equipment. All those aboard the mercy flight were taken to hospitals for evaluation, including the University of Tennessee Medical Center, St. Mary's, Fort Sanders Regional Medical Center, Parkwest, the Baptist Health System, Methodist Medical Center of Oak Ridge, Blount Memorial Hospital, Jefferson Memorial Hospital, Fort Sanders Loudon and Children's Hospital of East Tennessee. Air National Guard personnel donated their time to help move patients and others to buses and provide liquids, said Capt. Lisa Godsey, public information officer for McGhee Tyson Air National Guard Base. Also coordinating the event was Rebecca Huckaby, public information officer for the airport. The crew for the plane was made up of volunteers led by Capt. E.W. Evans. Mayor Ragsdale said the effort "could not have had better cooperation" and that the response was "heart-warming." "

9/9/2005 7:55:50 AM

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"Where exactly did you see "ONLY war" anywhere in that line? I must be missing it..."

Quote :

"and the war is still the only hope you have going into 2006..."

gee i dont know.

9/9/2005 10:29:58 AM