Hello all,

I just got a new flat screen LCD monitor and it works fine with windows but it does not work with LINUX!!!! What the hell????

The PC is dual boot... The screen says "signal out of range" when you start up with LINUX.

Any ideas???

10/15/2005 2:59:54 AM

your freq is off

10/15/2005 3:03:30 AM

It sounds like linux isn't outputting a resolution that your monitor can display. Try a CRT monitor and make sure linux is putting out a resolution that will work.

10/15/2005 3:04:39 AM

60hz

10/15/2005 9:03:14 AM

sounds like you are using linux

shit not working is part of the fun

10/15/2005 9:52:32 AM

press control-alt-f1 (or f2 or whatever) to switch to a virtual terminal, which should switch to a safe resolution, and then look up the specs for your monitor and adjust the xorg config accordingly. Countless websites detail this process.

[Edited on October 15, 2005 at 10:43 AM. Reason : w]

10/15/2005 10:42:33 AM

ISN'T LINUX FUN!!!

AND THE DUAL BOOT MEANS YOU REALLY NEED IT!

10/15/2005 10:44:11 AM

Dude you guys are so funny... So im not alone with this linux shit. I dont know how something so fucking complicated got so fucking popular, i hate it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need to learn to use it for work though so I appreciate you guys help!

So I need to set the refresh rate to 60hz but i am an idiot when it comes to linux... How can I do this with the existing monitor that does not work when I boot linux? Do I HAVE to hook up the old monitor? Then I dont know where the settings are....I dont know any of the terminologies that describe linux.

10/15/2005 1:40:09 PM

go to borders and get a book, thats what i did

10/15/2005 1:50:30 PM

whats the title of a good book, or the author?

10/15/2005 1:57:14 PM

Linux for Dummies

10/15/2005 2:29:10 PM

http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/xorg.conf.5.html#sect9

as moron said up there, just ctrl-alt-F[1-6] until you get a working text-based terminal, log in, and edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf - the above link should point you in the right direction as far as setting the horizsync and vertrefresh under the "monitor" section. once you set them, the easiest thing to do is reboot the system, but you could also just hit ctrl-alt-F7 to go back to the X virtual terminal, and then ctrl-alt-backspace to reset the X server.

let me know if any of this isn't clear.


and as far as getting a book goes....in all seriousness, google is infinitely better than any book out there when you're dealing with stuff like linux. there's just so many different things to handle, and so many different nuances between distributions, that a single book could never cover. not to mention that depending what you're dealing with in linux, whatever book you get could very well be out of date within a few months.

[Edited on October 15, 2005 at 3:17 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2005 3:15:37 PM

file /etc/X11/xorg.conf DOES NOT exist... I did what u said...no file of that nature exists... What do i do now?

10/16/2005 4:25:40 AM

what distro are you using?

What do you get if you try to run 'startx'?

10/16/2005 9:32:59 AM

what about /etc/X11/XF86Config ?

10/16/2005 12:58:23 PM

/etc/X11/XF86Config this file is available. I can type "view <filename>" to see it but I dont know how to edit it.

also, when I type view, I cannot get out of it....

I have not tried typing STARTX b/c my Linux is set to start in GUI mode anyway, thats the problem, the monitor that I installed linux with is the monitor which is in the config file. How do I even know what specs to type in, EVEn if I can edit the file????

10/18/2005 12:27:32 AM

is it Fedora/RedHat?

Simply run XConfigurator.

10/18/2005 12:29:43 AM

its Red Hat 9,thats all i know

10/18/2005 12:39:36 AM

^ That's part of your problem.

10/18/2005 12:42:51 AM

red hat linux release 9 (Shrike) Kernel 2.4.20-8 on an i686

10/18/2005 12:43:48 AM

Run

"XConfigurator"

and ignore anyone making comments like "that's part of your problem"

10/18/2005 12:44:29 AM

how do you run XConfigurator?

10/18/2005 12:44:56 AM

login as root

and type it

10/18/2005 12:45:25 AM

i get, "-bash: XConfigurator: command not found

10/18/2005 12:47:33 AM

my bad

it is "Xconfigurator"

http://infocom.cqu.edu.au/Units/aut99/85321/Resources/Online_Resources/Commands/Xconfigurator/

10/18/2005 12:48:41 AM

still doesnt exist

10/18/2005 12:51:03 AM

no idea...it should be there if you installed the entire Red Hat distro.

10/18/2005 12:52:35 AM

i installed everything , it was working fine with the old monitor.... No fucking wonder Bill Gates is so Rich!!!!!! LINUX SUCKS

10/18/2005 12:54:37 AM

Quote :

" No fucking wonder Bill Gates is so Rich!!!!!! LINUX SUCKS"

Linux doesn't suck, you suck at Linux.

10/18/2005 2:46:13 AM

THANKS, ur a lot of help, show me what u got buddy! solve my problem and prove to me that I suck

10/18/2005 8:36:05 AM

XF86Setup

try that

or do a search for the file XF86Config or xorg.conf ... quick and ugly: find / -name 'XF86Config'

10/18/2005 8:38:48 AM

even if i find a file, How do I edit it and save it?????

10/18/2005 12:55:05 PM

edit with pico or nano since i believe i can safely assume you dont know how to use vi/vim

and yeah - don't listen to esgargs, redhat 9 is obsolete...large improvements in usability, compatibility, and security have been implemented since the time that redhat 9 was current. I'd suggest reinstalling with a current distro ASAP if you have the option. chances are, with a current distro, the monitor would be working out of the box.

if you dont have the option because of work, i'd suggest you tell your boss that you'd rather not use an insecure and out of date OS, and to either buy licenses for the new corporate redhat if you want support, or install the new version of fedora for free....or just find some other distro. the suggestions i just made are taking into account the fact that you probably don't care about learning to use it so much as getting the job done. if you want to learn it, i'd suggest slackware...if you can't handle slack, gentoo is the next best thing for learning it. (/opinion)

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 2:24 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2005 2:17:42 PM

In the Linux world, it all boils down to having the latest drivers.

There is no such thing as an obsolete Linux.

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2005 2:37:34 PM

having the latest drivers == running a current kernel

redhat 9 includes an old kernel => doesn't have the newest drivers

so by your definition, redhat is obsolete

(also, to cover all the bases, if you have any experience at the kernel level, you know that redhat is not friendly to running vanilla kernel.org or self customized kernels)

plus, with improvements that aren't /quite/ kernel level, like udev - it's not necessarily the drivers themselves, but the driver infrastructure - something that redhat 9 has no hope of ever being adapted to except by a masochistic geek that doesn't realize he could much more easily just update to a non-obsolete distro/version

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 2:51 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2005 2:47:43 PM

do you not know that you can still run the latest kernel on a RedHat 9 distro?

10/18/2005 2:50:21 PM

try it

i wanna see a transcript of you pulling down a 2.6.14-rc4 kernel, applying all the redhat-specific patches, resolving any patch conflicts, running the configuration, compiling the kernel itself, installing the new kernel, making any changes to the infrastructure of the system (creating /sys, etc directories, editing init scripts or fstab to mount it properly, downloading udev, configuring it in a sane manner, again editing the init scripts,...).

then, you'll have a point

until then, go back to your hole

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2005 2:51:31 PM

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=150


tell me why it won't work

10/18/2005 2:54:07 PM

Quote :

"i wanna see a transcript of you pulling down a 2.6.14-rc4 kernel, applying all the redhat-specific patches, resolving any patch conflicts, running the configuration, compiling the kernel itself, installing the new kernel, making any changes to the infrastructure of the system (creating /sys, etc directories, editing init scripts or fstab to mount it properly, downloading udev, configuring it in a sane manner, again editing the init scripts,...)."

How is that different from updating any other distribution?

10/18/2005 2:56:11 PM

it will work, with a significant amount of effort and annoyance described in my previous post that makes it beside the point

running a current release makes much more sense sense

10/18/2005 2:56:11 PM

Answer my second question.

10/18/2005 2:57:43 PM

hahaha, you mean a current distribution that already runs a 2.6.x kernel, udev, or if you wanna go really crazy, runs a vanilla kernel like slackware?

it's different in that all you do is download the kernel, configure it, install it, and run it.

no need to make the changes that the distro designers already made in this case

10/18/2005 2:57:59 PM

so you're telling me that, if I speak in common language, the utilities and various other software that comes in a distribution is not at all tied with the kernel version?

10/18/2005 2:59:23 PM

the userspace tools to support loading of devices (udev, modprobe, hotplug, etc) are separate entities from the kernel, yes. and some of them rely on running a certain version (such as 2.4 vs 2.6) kernel, or sometimes properly running the kernel relies on using certain versions of userspace tools (like modprobe).

(and you /can/ run a 2.6.x kernel using the old /dev model, but you lose a huge portion of the convenience in managing devices that 2.6 brought with it.)

10/18/2005 3:03:41 PM

I win...carry on now.

10/18/2005 3:04:35 PM

how do you win again? i'm sorry, i missed this

edit: don't bother trying to explain how you won with words, i'd rather you show me a non-broken redhat 9 system running a 2.6.14-rc4 kernel. i mean, since you're an expert on the subject and everything. hell, i'd even make it easy on you and request only a 2.6.13.4 kernel - someone's probably already made a redhat 9 customized 2.6.13.4 even...cause you know how there's such a huge market for running obsolete linux installs these days.

also, to put things back into perspective, the original argument was whether redhat 9 is an obsolete linux distro. out of the box, it comes with an out of date kernel. hell, redhat even stopped providing updates for it, so even fully updated, it's an obsolete install. now, whether or not the distro has a possibility of becoming up to date by hackery is an aside, not related to the original discussion. i could go out and get a slackware 8 install and update it to 10.2 (more easily than updating redhat9 to a 2.6 kernel i might add) and say slack8 isn't obsolete. your argument is asinine.


regardless of all this - what's this guy gonna do with the following two options:

1) update his system manually, probably breaking it in a long and tedious process (then most likely resorting to #2)

2) download an up to date distro, install it, have a 99% working system out of the box, and get his work done

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2005 3:05:22 PM

dude, you guys are so funny, i was getting a kick out of all the terminology that I couldnt understand! But i am glad you came back to the monitor problem in the end.

Here's my situation;

I work with linux a lot at work and I do not know how to install stuff and update stuff. I constantly need to install servers, and plug ins and crap and modify servers and stuf..... so i got an old computer at home and installed the same exact software that is running at work on the linux machines. I did this in hopes of learning how to use Linux by messing with it at home, the same way I learned windows when I was 12 years old!!!! but now I cannot get the freakin monitor to work. What if I just re installed linux all together? I actually booted the computer up with the disc #1 installation, the screen showed the installation screens but it was whacky as hell!

It also detected the monitor model number CORRECTLY! I guess this monitor was a waste of money huh?

10/18/2005 6:07:17 PM

how old is your hardware?

10/18/2005 6:10:24 PM

i have a 1.7 gig celeron, 40 gig hard drive, 256 RAM

10/18/2005 9:52:52 PM

Quote :

"THANKS, ur a lot of help, show me what u got buddy! solve my problem and prove to me that I suck "

No thanks. The only way to truly learn something is to figure it out for yourself. I've got my own problems with my Linux box and yes it can be aggrevating but it doesn't mean Linux sucks. If you don't like it I'm sure any windows box will work with that monitor without much trouble.

10/19/2005 5:19:07 AM