http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

10/18/2005 3:39:31 AM

SHIT.... should of expected that....

10/18/2005 7:50:37 AM

sweet

10/18/2005 8:55:27 AM

Those towel heads get what they deserve. Nuke'm all and let Allah sort them out.

10/18/2005 8:56:36 AM

^ wow

10/18/2005 9:06:18 AM

Anglo-American Aggression

10/18/2005 9:07:08 AM

ok



because none of those kids could POSSIBLY be the victims of the terrorist bombings over there...

10/18/2005 11:10:00 AM

ahh the internet where you can post pictures and take them out of context to push your own political agenda.

10/18/2005 11:21:48 AM

yup, like this one

10/18/2005 11:23:29 AM

exactly

I mean I could buy a domain like http://www.ihateniggers.com and its cool because its the internet.

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2005 12:11:48 PM

http://iraqvictims.com/photos.asp

more .... pictures dont lie.

10/18/2005 12:38:15 PM

true they don't lie.

they don't make any statement as to the occurances slightly before the photo, or how the subject came to be the way it is either.

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 12:39 PM. Reason : *]

10/18/2005 12:39:06 PM

but they dont tell the entire story either... assuming they've not been doctored

10/18/2005 12:39:06 PM

^ well you need to do some reading up... acc to one news source for example, 65% of falluja was leveled.

people are really being murdered, ..

with highest compliments -- (our tax dollars/leaders )

10/18/2005 12:44:17 PM

ohh i wasnt saying they werent, but dont go around saying every photo you see was our fault... unless you know for a fact that it was taken in context.. thats all. you have to admit there have been a shit load of bombings not done by us where many many fellow non-americans have died.

10/18/2005 12:46:12 PM

I've been against the war from day one.

But BigPapa was pretty accurate with this:

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"ahh the internet where you can post pictures and take them out of context to push your own political agenda. "

10/18/2005 2:09:24 PM

because the insurgents don't do shit like this to the innocent Iraqi's? the kind of things that don't get advertised on the net.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/land_mine_in_iraq_kills_7_people_Mar_03_2005.html

10/18/2005 2:11:43 PM

liberals are such tools.

10/18/2005 2:27:43 PM

you're right, we should have a one-party system

10/18/2005 2:37:46 PM

^exactly

10/18/2005 3:06:44 PM

then i guess i 'm a tool who doesn't think it's worth all the carnage for a country that will be probably just a have a civil war within 10 years anyways.

10/18/2005 3:15:31 PM

SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? KILLING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CITIZENS IS GOOD. THAT'S FREEDOM.

DELIBERATELY LYING ABOUT NONEXISTENT WMDS TO GO TO WAR IS GOOD. IT'S CONSERVATIVE.

OH, AND TORTURE IS GOOD. THAT'S WHY BUSH VETOED THE BILL AGAINST TORTURE. TORTURE IS CONSERVATIVE.

FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!!

10/18/2005 3:22:24 PM

i wish somebody would torture you until you click "logout"

10/18/2005 4:14:31 PM

you dont "get it"

please post more pictures of the iraqi kids with pudding cups! happy happy!

wait, most of these were children...THEY MUSTVE ATTACKED US FIRST!

the more children i see dead, the more pro-life i become, seriously. might as well call me a catholic now

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2005 4:21:55 PM

YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS CONSERVATIVE?

LEAVING THE BORDER WIDE OPEN (EVEN AFTER 9/11)...SPENDING LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW AND JACKING THE NATIONAL DEBT UP 3 TRILLION DOLLARS IN 5 YEARS....CREATING A BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL GOVERNMENT THAN EVEN DEMOCRATS WERE PROPOSING....PASSING LAWS THAT DESTROY THE 4TH AMENDMENT RIGHT AGAINST UNREASONABLE SEARCHES...

...JUST TO NAME A FEW THINGS

SUPPORT OUR CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT BUSH! HE'S DELIVERING FREEDOM HERE AT HOME AS WELL AS ABROAD!


[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 4:43 PM. Reason : 3]

10/18/2005 4:23:14 PM

This message is for 30thAnnZ

perhaps this is more what you were looking for, a description of the pictures (when what happened etc)

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/circus.html




picture describing a girls mom and dad killed after they were trying to drive away... 'failure to stop at checkpoint'

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ']

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 4:27 PM. Reason : ']

10/18/2005 4:24:15 PM

um.. yeah if you don't stop at the fucking checkpoint, we have no way of knowing if you're coming back from buying lollypops and visiting grandma or making a huge fucking bomb to blow us the fuck up.

therefore, you get the fuck shot out of you. it's pretty simple.

i blame the parents. don't be stupid, stop the fucking car.

10/18/2005 4:26:51 PM

^ what about the other ones?

10/18/2005 4:28:42 PM

you wanna list 'em?

look, i am sure that there have been insane tragedies. no one is saying there haven'. but you people act like there's a systematic intent to kill as many civilians as possible, which just isn't true.

if there are insurgents in your midst, you need to let somebody know and get the fuck out. not live right next to them, say nothing and then get all indignant and surprised when the house next door and 2/3 of yours is blown the fuck up.

don't be fucking stupid either. whether they like it or not, they are living in a combat zone. don't do shit that can look threatening. do what the fucking soldiers tell you to do and shut the fuck up.

also, don't take photos of people who have been blown up BY INSURENTS and then put whatever caption against americans you like on them for your political bullshit.

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 4:33 PM. Reason : *]

10/18/2005 4:32:08 PM

salisburyboy wins this thread

10/18/2005 4:42:58 PM

Nuke'm all and let Allah sort them out.

10/18/2005 4:54:48 PM

it figures that when you search for "iraq pictures" on google, all that turns up is bad pictures

10/18/2005 7:51:23 PM

Im glad someone is coming forward... The truth gets out.. and for some... like annzee, it hurts.. i have no polictal agenda except the truth. You can find this former marine and his comments, all over the net. enough said.



Ex-US Marine Asks Iraqis for Forgiveness
Turkish Weekly



October 13, 2005

A former US Marine has urged the Iraqi people and Muslims around the globe to forgive the US "war crimes" in Iraq, and said that the Bush administration has sunk deeper into the Iraqi quagmire and will lose the war at the end of the day.

"I ask the Iraqis and Muslims to forgive US practices in Iraq, especially during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan," Jimmy Massey told IslamOnline.net in an exclusive interview on Wednesday, October 12.

Massey, who is currently on a visit to Paris to mark the publishing of his first book " Kill! Kill! Kill!", said there is widespread discontent in the United States at the policies of the Bush

Massey's book was published by a French publishing house a
fter it had been apparently rejected by American publishers.

Massey, who left Iraq in May 2003, wrote the book after being discharged from the Marines with a diagnosed case of post-trauma stress syndrome.

"I spent long hours speechless and looking at the wall, seeing nothing but only images of the killed Iraqis," he said.

On his book, he said "It's been a healing experience. It's allowed me to close a lot of chapters and answer a lot of questions."

In December of last year, Massey along with his paratrooper Jeremy Hinzman applied for political asylum in Canada in protest at the "atrocities" committed by the US army in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In graphic testimonies to a Canadian tribunal, the former Marine Sergeant and Hinzman have argued that they could not tolerate killing innocent civilians in Iraq.

"War Crimes"

The US forces in Iraq are committing "war crimes" against the innocent Iraqi people, said the ex-Marine.

He said he himself had Iraqi blood on his hands, when he killed innocent Iraqis at the start of the US invasion of the Arab country.

He regretted that the victims were not soldiers, but unarmed and posed no threat to the US forces.

Citing a horrific incident against Iraqi civilians at the time, Massey said that he gunned down a number of Iraqi demonstrators during a protest in Baghdad's neighborhood of Al-Rashid in April of 2003, the month when US tanks rolled into Baghdad streets in a heartbreaking scene for the Arabs and Muslims.

The demonstrators were civilian people, however, a US commander ordered his unit soldiers to open fire at the crowd, killing a number of protesters in cold blood.

He said some of the victims were shot directly in the head, citing a CIA memo that brainwashed servicemen in Iraq into thinking that al Iraqis were potential terrorists.

In his book, Massey writes that at one point he told an officer that the US military campaign "resembles a genocide" and that "our only objective in Iraq is petrol and profits."

British medical weekly, Lancet, said last year that over 100,000 Iraqi civilians -- half of whom women and children -- have lost their lives since the US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Late last year, the International Committee for Red Cross (ICRC), the guardian of the Geneva Conventions governing conduct in warfare, lambasted "utter contempt" for humanity in US-occupied Iraq.

The international group also described the US abuses against detainees as "war crimes."

Bush Should Leave

Massey foresaw a "black scenario" facing the US forces in Iraq.

He admired the resolve displayed by the Iraqi resistance fighters, who fight US soldiers.

He said the unabated Iraqi resistance doomed the US mission in Iraq to failure.

Massey reserved an "open message" to US President George W. Bush.

"I call on you (Bush) to leave as you are bring disgrace to the American people and sadness to mothers who lose their sons in Iraq."

Late September, tens of thousands of American demonstrators took to the streets in several major cities to protest the US-led invasion of Iraq and demand the withdrawal of American troops of whom at least 2,000 soldiers were killed since March 2003.

A congressionally mandated panel concluded in September that Bush is seen in the Arab world as a greater threat than Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

A 2004 pentagon report said the US administration was alienating Muslims worldwide and losing the "the war of ideas" because of adopting faulty policies and what is perceived as "self-serving hypocrisy".

Bush has recently appointed Karen Hughes as Undersecretary of State for Diplomacy to shine up America’s image in the Arab world, which is described by pundits as mission impossible.

IslamOnline.net
PARIS, October 12, 2005 –


Islam Online .net
2005-10-13 08:54:31

Journal of Turkish Weekly is an ISRO (USAK) publication
ISRO is an Ankara based NGO

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10/18/2005 7:54:39 PM

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"Massey, who is currently on a visit to Paris to mark the publishing of his first book " Kill! Kill! Kill!""

commence flaming!!

10/18/2005 8:07:54 PM

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"liberals are such tools."

Well, maybe since I am a registered republican my opinion will count more for you, then.

The entire "war" over there has stunk since the beginning. Greed was the primary motivation for attack (as it is in most attacks.) If you think otherwise, stop kidding yourself.

It doesn't matter to me who blew the feet off that young girl or put a man's wife and children in the grave, we started it this time and it is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

The overwhelming majority of people there are just hard working victims stuck in the cross fire. But, for those of you who don't seem to think people from other countries are really people who deserve to live a happy life, consider that for every American casualty reported in the news there are probably 10 of "our" guys seriously injured. One of my close relatives is severely disabled (quadraplegic) from one of our previous unsuccessful attempts at "liberation" of another country. He would be rotting with horrid care in a VA hospital if he didn't have family alive to take care of him. Actually, when I really think about it he would almost certainly be dead by now from neglect and depression if he was spending his life in the VA hospital.

10/18/2005 8:15:17 PM

some of these pictures are funny

10/18/2005 8:41:05 PM

^Did you find the one of the little girl with her feet blown to smithereens humorous?

I just don't see anything funny about maimed children, dead people, or those who are mourning them.

10/18/2005 10:47:52 PM

dear 24carrots,

welcome to the internet.

your friend,
everyone else

10/18/2005 10:57:28 PM

Dear 24carat:

My name is bigben1024, I'm a fucktard and have not even a slightest idea about the basic decency. I'll try to pretend, however, that being a dipshit like myself is acceptable anywhere, e.g. online.

10/18/2005 11:16:06 PM

I was pointing out that you can't expect everyone to be honest or even serious about anything on the internet, be it trolls or whatever. I think this shouldn't be too hard for you to understand. Try reading through the thread again.

* I said that mathfuck must have been waiting at a chance to have a personal attack for some time, but took it out in an edit without seeing his next post*

[Edited on October 18, 2005 at 11:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2005 11:32:53 PM

Waiting for what? To comment on your stupidity? Get real. I could have taken any of your posts.

10/18/2005 11:34:47 PM

Please explain to me how I don't have decency because I said people on the internet don't have decency.
I can't believe I ever thought you were smart. Another one of life's dissapointments I suppose.

10/18/2005 11:41:34 PM

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"I can't believe I ever thought you were smart. Another one of life's dissapointments I suppose."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

10/19/2005 12:05:20 AM

Don't get me wrong, when I was new to the internet, I asked questions similar. I didn't understand how people could use racist terms and post disgusting pictures on the internet all day. It took a little while for me to realize that this is just how some people act on the internet. It's kind of like being surprised when the same people who bitch and moan about dead fetus photos don't mind photos such as these and vice versa. I still don't understand how you could think I'm indecent because I said many people on the internet are indecent though.

10/19/2005 12:21:42 AM

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"New Revelations by American Soldiers of Abuse in Iraq Monday October 17, 9:30 am ET FRONTLINE Presents "The Torture Question" Tuesday, October 18, 2005, from 9 to 10:30 P.M. ET on PBS BOSTON, Oct. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Another American soldier has come forward to reveal abusive interrogation techniques by military personnel in Iraq. Tony Lagouranis, a former Army interrogator at Abu Ghraib and member of a special intelligence team in Iraq, has given FRONTLINE a firsthand account of his involvement in the harsh treatment of prisoners. ADVERTISEMENT "It's all over Iraq," Lagouranis told FRONTLINE. "The infantry units are torturing people in their homes. They would smash people's feet with the back of an axhead. They would break bones, ribs. That was serious stuff." Lagouranis' comments are included in an upcoming FRONTLINE, "The Torture Question," airing nationally on Tuesday, October 18, at 9 P.M. ET on PBS (check local listings). The program includes interviews with other interrogators who also say the abuse of prisoners throughout Iraq is more widespread than previously reported. "Most of the abuses around Iraq are not photographed," a soldier who requested anonymity told FRONTLINE. "And this makes it even harsher, because around Iraq, in the back of a Humvee or in a shipping container, there's no camera, and there's no one looking over your shoulder, so you can do anything you want." "

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051017/nym089.html?.v=23

10/19/2005 12:22:32 AM

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"look, i am sure that there have been insane tragedies. no one is saying there haven'. but you people act like there's a systematic intent to kill as many civilians as possible, which just isn't true."

Quote :

"The US forces in Iraq are committing "war crimes" against the innocent Iraqi people, said the ex-Marine. "

and now in Ramadaan...

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""I ask the Iraqis and Muslims to forgive US practices in Iraq, especially during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan," Jimmy Massey "

who knows if its too late ... to ask for forgivness, the damage is done.. and continues... when the prayer of an opressed person is answered, there is just no telling what Gods wrath will do. I can gaurantee every muslim on the face of this earth is praying for help of the muslims in iraq and to stop the opression. that i can gaurantee.

10/19/2005 12:42:19 AM

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"I can gaurantee every muslim on the face of this earth is praying for help of the muslims in iraq and to stop the opression. that i can gaurantee. "

ahahaha wtf?

Maybe you should talk to some of the T-dubbers who have actually been to Iraq and have been personally thanked by many Iraqis for liberating them before you post bullshit like this.

10/19/2005 12:45:10 AM

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"Maybe you should talk to some of the T-dubbers who have actually been to Iraq and have been personally thanked by many Iraqis for liberating them before you post bullshit like this. "

dude. i have talked and understood conditions with people who have went there. by the way. and besides, what are u talking about. war with iraq was highly illegal in the first place. (even said by the un, too bad they dont have a voice). put yourself in their shoes. perhaps a few did feel that way as you say, but by far... they hate us. when you have innocents opressed and at least 100,000 dead, murdered, imprisoned and thousands women, men and children humilated in every way shape and form, no one can ignore this not in the name of 'liberation' rather 'opression'. wake up and see what is happening...

10/19/2005 1:15:20 AM

hey salisburyboy any word on the draft?

10/19/2005 1:25:16 AM

the un has said a lot of shit

what was illegal about the war, specifically (i.e. name real statutes not some half-baked "NO BLOOD 4 OILZ" rant)

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:30 AM. Reason : s]

10/19/2005 1:28:10 AM