Anyone here use Ruby or Ruby on Rails? Ruby on Rails is a framework for creating webapps that appears to take a lot of the pain in creating actions, database connections, parsing XML, etc out of creating an app, allowing the designer to focus on getting the wanted features in an app.

Rails has been getting a lot of hype lately for it's completness and productivity gains for making webapps. And judging from the videos on this site, I can believe it -
http://www.rubyonrails.org/

So does anyone here 1) know/use Ruby, and for what, and 2) use Rails? How is it? Is it worth learning Ruby just so you can use Rails to create webapps? I'm pretty much a beginner in my PHP/mySQL knowledge already, so I think it may be worth it to jump on the Ruby/Rails bandwagon for any future webapps I want to write.
Here's some more info
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/20/rails.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/10/13/what_is_rails.html
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
http://www.rubycentral.com/

And a large number of live sites that were developed in Rails
http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages

10/19/2005 7:26:46 AM

You might want to to check out this thread, this site has had a couple discussions on the topic
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301870

10/19/2005 7:51:32 AM

I've recently started using it. I think it's worth learning Ruby for. Rails does so much behind-the-scenes work for you that you spend time working on your web apps instead of setting up the framework behind everything. I'm getting married in June, so I made a Rails app to handle our guestlist and keep track of who rsvp'd, etc. It was relatively simple to do using a scaffold and then tweaking everything to look and feel like I wanted.

Check out http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html. You can get it off Amazon cheaper than that site. Also check out their Ruby book, referred to as the Pick-Axe. They teach by example and make it easy to get started.

If you use Apache to host your Rails site make sure you setup fastcgi. It's a pain to get working, but it makes things run what feels like 10x faster.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 6:46 PM. Reason : ]

10/19/2005 6:45:54 PM

it's really damn hot. i'm kinda scared Ruby will be the new Java which was the new C++ which was the new C (and past that I don't consider anything before I was born as mainstream).

10/20/2005 2:19:17 AM

cool - the feedback and links look good. I'll download it and start fooling around.

^^ kinda funny - it was for my wedding website I made about 1.5 years ago that I learned PHP/mySQL for the first time. Guess if I was getting married now instead, I would be learning Ruby!

10/20/2005 3:30:52 AM

well speaking of webapp frameworks, Zend announced they are building an "industrial-grade PHP Web application development and deployment environment."
http://www.zend.com/collaboration/qanda.php

cool. that should lower the barriers to entry to creating basic PHP apps (although i'm sure there's plenty elitists purists out there who would rather keep all the noobs out....) and make development faster and more uniform.

10/20/2005 8:58:28 AM

oh, I forgot... somone created a Rails IDE based on Eclipse, called RadRails http://www.radrails.org/. There is also a Ruby plugin to Eclipse that is pretty helpful, but for Rails dev I like RadRails.

10/20/2005 9:01:20 AM

wow - it's like a competition to see how abstract we can make our programming. Lets create an IDE platform for a framework that sits on top of Ruby....

10/20/2005 9:06:30 AM

nice - another free "rails for PHP"
http://www.qcodo.com/

looks pretty good

12/9/2005 4:00:11 AM

I know JaegerNCSU for a while wouldn't shutup about Ruby.

12/9/2005 8:25:10 AM

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"oh, I forgot... somone created a Rails IDE based on Eclipse, called RadRails http://www.radrails.org/. There is also a Ruby plugin to Eclipse that is pretty helpful, but for Rails dev I like RadRails."

heehee i think they're ibm interns that made it.

12/9/2005 8:32:45 AM

^^haha, i know a few people like that

12/12/2005 9:07:20 AM

this is just further proof that web developers aren't real developers. "wah wah these languages are too hard we need languages that do everything for us"

real men write CGI-bin in C++ with only the standard C/C++ libraries

12/12/2005 9:17:43 AM

any they also program in vi or notepad, right?

Yeah, and real-men don't get hired because they take too fucking long to complete anything useful and their bugs take forever to track down

12/12/2005 10:20:25 AM

Quote :

"this is just further proof that web developers aren't real developers. "wah wah these languages are too hard we need languages that do everything for us" real men write CGI-bin in C++ with only the standard C/C++ libraries"

No. real programmers use - Tiny Basic.




I used Ruby a couple times. I would highly recommend it for web developers.

12/12/2005 12:42:18 PM

^^ haha

12/12/2005 1:09:51 PM

bttt

anybody using this?

2/28/2006 9:26:13 PM

I'm learning ror right now.

Nah, real men write it in assembler....yeah....

3/1/2006 10:45:38 AM

Real programmers code in binary.

3/1/2006 11:35:06 AM

yar



Anyway, the Apple Developer Connection has a How-To up for running RoR for OS X
http://developer.apple.com/tools/rubyonrails.html

3/3/2006 8:50:50 AM

From what I can tell they need it cause Ruby and OS X don't play together very well.

3/3/2006 9:45:47 AM

I've been working with RoR quite a bit since I quit my FT Java job back in November. I've also created a tool for generating working Ajax versions of scaffolds. Just thought it might be of interest.

http://ajaxscaffold.height1percent.com

3/15/2006 3:59:53 AM

a rail just flew out of his ass! he's definitely using a bot

-ZiP!-

3/15/2006 9:17:02 AM

well i havne't made any headway on learning Ruby or RoR, and I've seen that there are now 40+ PHP frameworks available, many modeled directly off of RoR.

Here's a comparison of 10 popular ones
http://www.phpit.net/article/ten-different-php-frameworks/

Anyone have any experience with any of these? I have a small application i'm going to write which I could do in about 4 hours stringing together sloppy spaghetti-PHP code and a 4 table mySQL DB. But I might as well go about it the right way and and hopefully get a better functioning page in the end, and teach myself something while i'm at it.

3/27/2006 8:19:05 AM

1.1 released via digg

Quote :

"The biggest upgrade in Rails history has finally arrived. Rails 1.1 boasts more than 500 fixes, tweaks, and features from more than 100 contributors. Most of the updates just make everyday life a little smoother, a little rounder, and a little more joyful. But of course we also have an impressive line of blockbuster features that will make you an even happier programmer. Especially if you’re into Ajax, web services, and strong domain models — and who isn’t these funky days?"

3/28/2006 10:05:25 AM

Beginner's guide to Rails part 1 via digg

4/3/2006 9:11:41 PM

rails doesnt play well with IIS either

4/4/2006 2:51:17 PM

IIS?

HA!

4/4/2006 3:05:44 PM

sadly im not familar with Apache and IIS is easy

4/4/2006 3:10:39 PM

Server Market share August 1995 - March 2006

4/4/2006 3:22:26 PM

i know i know, im trying to find a place to DL it now.

4/4/2006 3:29:00 PM

Sorry for the moron question in the thread but someone has to make one and I'll start.

So is RoR really only needed if you are creating a high traffic complicated site?

I am in NO way a php or mySQL guru but I can create a simple php and database site rather quick. I looked at that tutorial and it seem like a shit-ton of work to just create a form that updates a database.

Granted it did seem simple once created but I just don't get it. I messed with the Smarty Template stuff and that was ok but it just got to be messy for me at least. I felt like I could do just what I wanted on my own quicker in notepad. But I guess thats what prompted my question about a high traffic, production or database heavy website need.

4/4/2006 5:25:31 PM

its called a framework. All frameworks have a bigger initial resource and time investment, but the point is that the more you add, the less time it takes

4/4/2006 5:30:32 PM

So to answer my question Noen.....

It's not for joe shit one website guy like myself.

4/4/2006 5:42:06 PM

Hmm...a new programming language I need to learn I suppose...well maybe.

4/4/2006 6:26:42 PM

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"its called a framework. All frameworks have a bigger initial resource and time investment, but the point is that the more you add, the less time it takes"

That and it saves you the time of creating the framework.

4/4/2006 6:52:22 PM

ok i just used instant rails and create an address book app. If i can do it, ANYONE can

4/4/2006 7:52:25 PM

Who be on this rails 3?

My job might be looking for a dev or application tester

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4/19/2013 3:17:50 PM

Um.




Is it a bad idea to learn this shit when you don't know anything about the internet? I've done quite a bit of perl and some php when I was in high school for funsies but thats all about all I know about the internet other than like basic 7 layer OSI shit

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6/20/2013 3:17:08 PM

Fuck it I'm going balls deep

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6/20/2013 3:19:56 PM

I don't recommend ruby for anything. dynamically typed languages are the hardest to debug imo and if you want to use one for the speed of development, I'd argue python is a better choice.

6/24/2013 8:34:37 AM