because this is what the ipod shuffle should have been

but no, they were too cheap and wanted to up their profits by marketing the fact that not having an LCD is cool...

dumb name, but at least it has a screen and an FM tuner and for the same price as an ipod shuffle.

Dell DJ Ditty
The new Dell DJ DittyTM is Slim and Trim at 1.29 ounces1 - light enough for heavy workouts or runs, yet plays about 220 songs2 for up to 14 hours3.

* 512MB4 of storage for up to 220 songs2
* Integrated FM tuner
* Easy to read 26x11mm LCD screen
* Slim design measuring 3.6 x 1.1 x .5 inches and weighing only 1.29 ounces 1
* Rechargeable Lithium Polymer battery with up to 14 hours3 of battery life
* Includes earbuds, lanyard, and black & blue USB Cap only
* Easy and affordable downloads via Musicmatch Jukebox by Y!Music
* Compatible with Napster to Go
* Compatible with Audible
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dj_ditty?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs



and because they wanted to cover up this:
http://news.com.com/Suit+filed+over+Nano+scratches/2100-1047_3-5906399.html?tag=nefd.top
by telling consumers they should buy a case, when it's obviously a design flaw

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 7:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2005 7:51:48 PM

Is this a fucking ad?

10/26/2005 7:56:12 PM

what about the nomad muvo line

10/26/2005 7:56:12 PM

yea. The muvo was pretty much a shuffle. It just came out like 2 years ahead of time.

10/26/2005 7:58:24 PM

except for that whole two piece design which sucked ass.

10/26/2005 8:05:25 PM

no, it's a thread about how people are sucked in by apple's marketing to believe whatever they dish out and think it's the hottest product on the market.

i'm merely pointing out that dell has added two major features that apple left out and imho it's far superior of a product especially considering the price is the same...

it's more like the zen nano plus than the nomad muvo

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 9:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2005 9:02:24 PM

only product of dell i like is my 24" widescreen ultrasharp monitor. that is all.

And personally i don't put stock in commercials of any kind. I mean look at dell, their commercials are all focused around celeron POS. Apples advertising had 0 influence on me when i bought my ipod. It was more of a "hey whats this thing? ooooh nice, thats a neat looking mp3 player. I think i'll buy it and see how well it functions" ....1 month later..."happy i bought that ipod...best mp3 player i've owned" ....9 months later "damn, this ipod is even better than i thought. goes great with my new headunit"

10/26/2005 9:18:18 PM

does it double as a lighter? looks as though it should

10/26/2005 9:21:17 PM

looks like it should be burned by one though.

10/26/2005 9:21:43 PM

I deal with Dells all day long and it is amazing how uninspired and badly designed a lot of their shit is. I can't understand how such crap can be so popular.

10/26/2005 9:22:29 PM

yeah, we had more dells than anything else. And they are a pain in the ass to take apart sometimes. The worst is the 'slim' case design that opens up in-half so you can work on it. They tried taking the G4's design and fubared it

10/26/2005 9:23:50 PM

^ yes ...

Most of their designs are badly laid out and very difficult to work in. They all look like off-shelf components crammed anywhere they will fit.

10/26/2005 9:31:55 PM

Quote :

"no, it's a thread about how people are sucked in by apple's Dell's marketing to believe whatever they dish out and think it's the hottest product on the market."

10/26/2005 10:19:14 PM

it's simple...apple sucks and is only for people with more money than brains

10/26/2005 11:04:19 PM

how true.


heres $1000....can you dispose of it for me? No more room in my wallet


/sarcasm

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:05 PM. Reason : bucks]

10/26/2005 11:05:43 PM

lots of small penises in tech talk

10/26/2005 11:22:43 PM

Quote :

"no, it's a thread about how people are sucked in by apple's marketing to believe whatever they dish out and think it's the hottest product on the market."

Apple wins out because they beat everyone else to the market with their product. I bought a shuffle in January because it was the only product at the time that met my needs for a portable mp3 player.

Had the dell thing up there been out, i probably woulda bought it instead, being that it's the same price and has an FM tuner. But unfortunately, that's what happens when you're a Johnny-come-lately.

10/26/2005 11:32:39 PM

^i would agree with that as well... but i just can't buy into the "life is random, so is your music" slogan or whatever it is, pure marketing to get around a design 'practicality' flaw

Quote :

""no, it's a thread about how people are sucked in by apple's Dell's marketing to believe whatever they dish out and think it's the hottest product on the market.""

i wasn't promoting the dell as much as i was putting the ipod shuffle down, look at every single other player out there that is in the same market as the shuffle, they all have screens and most of them have an FM tuner, and no the ipod shuffle wasn't the first one on the market... they are just the first one's to put it in a small case and charge a large premium for it...

not to mention the, "everyone has one so i have to have one as well" philosophy

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:51 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2005 11:44:14 PM

The Shuffle is lame, I agree. It's the cheapest for the size though.

You are even more lame for creating this thread, however.

I love Apple though because they are the only company that would dedicate most of their front page to an American hero: http://www.apple.com/


[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:48 PM. Reason : 2]

10/26/2005 11:47:21 PM

apple always does humanitarian stuff like that. which is good.

every disaster that happens world wide not just state side is on their front page with some kind of fund for releif

10/26/2005 11:51:52 PM

Quote :

"You are even more lame for creating this thread, however."

that makes no sense, in one post you've managed to say i don't have the freedom to speech and to have my own opinion, and at the same time promoting someone who fought for freedom and equality.

this is merely an opinion, take it or leave it, i'm just sick of people hurling themselves on the apple bandwagon because they can't think for themselves...

though i would agree with the fact that apple is a very humanitarian friendly company

[/rant]

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:58 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2005 11:54:21 PM

Quote :

"because they can't think for themselves... "

apple ipods being popular is a bad example of that.

however bush winning a 2nd term would have been a much better example.

10/26/2005 11:58:51 PM

Quote :

"this is merely an opinion, take it or leave it, i'm just sick of people hurling themselves on the apple bandwagon because they can't think for themselves..."

Your opinion that the Shuffle is lame is valid, and one I agree with. Your hatred for Apple is lame, and the fact you created a thread to express it is even more lame. I'm not impugning your right of "free speech" ( ), i'm just saying you are LAME for expressing it in the way that you did. Plus, it's stupid to hate an entire company because you don't like one of their products. Of all the hate-able companies out there, Apple should be low on anyone's list.

Also, i've been an Apple since at least 1991, so I am not hopping on any bandwagon. When the first iPod came out (if you're not a Mac user, you probably wouldn't know about it, but it had a mechanical scroll-wheel and a more boxy design), I thought it was lame then... "who cares about a stupid mp3 player," I thought... boy was I wrong (and it's a good thing too).

10/27/2005 12:05:42 AM

Quote :

"i've been an Apple since at least 1991"

i didn't know apples lasted that long without going bad mine always go soft and brown

10/27/2005 12:07:17 AM

^ Yeah, radiation screws with things a lot. You would be surprised how long us apples can last.

10/27/2005 12:08:26 AM

haha

10/27/2005 12:09:10 AM

moron, there's a difference between hating the company apple and hating the brand of apple, the apple design (mostly) and company is great, the brand and everything it stands for in society is what i hate, they've (read:society) taken a design icon and made it into a status icon, it's to the point in which society doesn't even think any more they just assume everything apple is of high worth... and in the case of the ipod shuffle and flawed nano, it's absolutly not.

though i am upset at apple the company for the nano cover up and poor design of ipod shuffle...

moron i wasn't referring to you earlier, but there are a lot of people that do jump on the bandwagon and there are a lot of apple patriots out there that have been with apple a long time and figure that anything they dish out is the best thing since sliced bread, but just like any company, it has a couple hiccups, it's how you deal with those hiccups is what matters...

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 12:25 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2005 12:21:24 AM

if its such a poor design then don't buy it. no ones forcing you to.

10/27/2005 12:24:43 AM

i didn't buy it, i got mine for free, then sold it to some unfortunate soul who paid 140% retail for it on ebay because it was apple's *hottest* product at the time.

10/27/2005 12:26:52 AM

What Nano cover up are you referring to, btw?

The mp3 player market was stagnant before the iPod. Apple released a great mp3 player in to a market that was already established (before the iPod, i liked a lot of iRiver's stuff-- and still do), and rose to the top. People obviously saw something in the iPod that other players lacked (and still lack), which is a simple, appealing design with a simple interface (1 scroll wheel, 4 buttons). It's because of this reason the iPod remains so successful. Other players outclass the iPod for extraneous features, but none outclass it for ease-of-use or looks, which is what most consumers look for. The fringe end of consumers who love Windows, and like to tweak their computers (the kind of people to buy an iRiver, and replace the firmware...) are not going to like the iPod. Apple can't cater to everyone, and they don't.

10/27/2005 12:38:46 AM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=360683

10/27/2005 12:38:57 AM

If any company made an mp3 player skinnier than a #2 pencil, have a black shiny surface, and have an easy to use scroll weel + 4 buttons I would be all over it. a lot of what apple does isn't necessarily innovative--it just takes a little bit from different companies, and puts it together to make an attractive product. Kind of like how Bungie succeeded with the Halo franchise by not necessarily innovating elements but just taking the best parts of other games and creating a high polished, high refined product

10/27/2005 6:40:36 AM

Apple gets props for the Rosa Parks memorial on their home page.

That is just fucking awesome, hands down.

10/27/2005 8:53:08 AM

Quote :

"Your opinion that the Shuffle is lame is valid, and one I agree with"

Hell, I think the shuffle is the only ipod product worth a damn.

But then again, i'm pretty active, and the vast majority of people in tech talk are sedentary...

10/27/2005 9:18:05 AM

lol

equating halo to the ipod is actually a fantastic comparison

neither are innovative and both are overrated.

the iPod's success is pure marketing combined with apple fanboi hype

10/27/2005 9:30:06 AM

I really want the iPod UI to have an alphabet selection option. Hard to drive and scroll through Artists when I could have just scrolled to P and then through a couple artists to find the one I want.

10/27/2005 10:26:04 AM

Halo is based off of Bungies prior work Marathon, a mac only FPS. Microsoft bought bungie and bungie releases HALO.


And I've notice a lot of "It sucks because it is popular" bullshit in here.

10/27/2005 10:33:00 AM

if you thought halo was good you're either an idiot or a console gamer.


or maybe a lolmacgamer

10/27/2005 10:51:08 AM

Quote :

"And I've notice a lot of "It sucks because it is popular" bullshit in here."

that is the gist of the arguments.

10/27/2005 12:24:29 PM

well, I don't think that is the gist.

for example, speaking of speakers, Bose is pretty popular.

They are making good money.

You don't see any other "better" speaker manufacturers making that kind of cash.

And yet, everyone keeps saying Bose products suck.

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 12:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2005 12:32:39 PM

Bose speakers do suck. they are cheaply made and only sound good to an untrained ear. if you turn the bass up and play something loud, a lot of people get impressed.

i don't like the ipod, but not because it is a poorly made product. even the problems with scratching i'm sure are not because apple was trying to save a few bucks. i just agree that they are too much of a status symbol. there are better products out there, but everyone just wants the ipod because it's cool.

Quote :

"The mp3 player market was stagnant before the iPod. "

this is dumb, the whole mp3 scene was pretty new not long before the ipod. it was a new idea to have an mp3 player.

and my girlfriend owns a 1G ipod and an ipod photo, i've used both and i think they are fine products, but she does artistic stuff for a living and has long used a mac, way before the ipod.

10/27/2005 12:51:14 PM

Quote :

"i just agree that they are too much of a status symbol. there are better products out there, but everyone just wants the ipod because it's cool. "

Same goes for Bose.


And I have to say the Bose speakers are actually pretty good.

10/27/2005 12:54:47 PM

i agree people buy Bose because its the name they know, so of course it must be good!

Bose are not the worst ever, and i'm some of their products are better than others... but some of their stuff is real crap.

10/27/2005 12:57:48 PM

Quote :

"does it double as a lighter? looks as though it should"

Does it?

10/27/2005 1:07:34 PM

windows is the most popular os

therefore it is the best and all haters are just jealous

10/27/2005 1:12:50 PM

the shuffle blows.

I won a free 512 mb one at a trade show and gave it to my gf because she didn't have any portable MP3 player at the time.

Thing is, I had to install iTunes on my computer to make it work, and having to deal with that shitty piece of shit fucking crap software is worth every inch of wrath I can lay upon Apple. I've never been an Apple fan, and the shuffle just justified my feelings.

In short, here's why: (Comparing to my personal music solution)
I don't need to convert my songs to add them to my Treo/SD card. I don't have to use iTunes. I can add DRM music to my treo, can't do it on the shuffle. On top of that, the speed of transferring the music to the SD card is SO MUCH faster than the shuffle.

10/27/2005 1:16:42 PM

^ What format is your music in that you need to convert it to have it play on an iPod?

Quote :

" Bose speakers do suck. they are cheaply made and only sound good to an untrained ear. "

So what you're saying is that, to me (an untrained ear (who really can't hear all that great in the first place)), Bose speakers are 100% fine. Perfectly reasonable. If I can't tell the difference between Bose and [betterbrand], then what difference does it make which one I buy?

10/27/2005 1:58:45 PM

if you think something that sounds bad sounds good to you, that's fine... but i wouldn't go around saying they're great sounding speakers. if you're buying them for their looks, then i guess it doesn't much matter how they sound.

10/27/2005 2:03:30 PM

Quote :

"this is dumb, the whole mp3 scene was pretty new not long before the ipod"

i could break out my ol "consumer purchase timeline" but i'm pretty sure i had an mp3 player well before the iPod

it was real shitty, a little smaller than a piece of bread, and had the ugliest screen
it looked like a fucking alarm clock display
and it took the big memory cards, but wouldn't work with over 64 megs

needless to say, when i got my iPod, i realized how far they had come since my first one

10/27/2005 2:57:03 PM

yeah i had the creative nomads when they first came out! w00t for 32mbs of storage.

10/27/2005 2:58:24 PM