http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9890829

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"CIA holds terror suspects in secret prisons Debate grows within agency about legality, morality of approach By Dana Priest The Washington Post Updated: 7:57 a.m. ET Nov. 2, 2005 The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement. The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents. The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions. The existence and locations of the facilities -- referred to as "black sites" in classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents -- are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country. The CIA and the White House, citing national security concerns and the value of the program, have dissuaded Congress from demanding that the agency answer questions in open testimony about the conditions under which captives are held. Virtually nothing is known about who is kept in the facilities, what interrogation methods are employed with them, or how decisions are made about whether they should be detained or for how long. While the Defense Department has produced volumes of public reports and testimony about its detention practices and rules after the abuse scandals at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay, the CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites. To do so, say officials familiar with the program, could open the U.S. government to legal challenges, particularly in foreign courts, and increase the risk of political condemnation at home and abroad."

Hmmmmm. So this is where the CIA will be torturing the "terrorists." Our government is so loving. Freedom is surely on the march.

11/2/2005 8:30:38 AM

so not wanting the terrorists to know where we are holding their leaders automatically means we're off some place torturing the shit out of them...

sorry, we've got saudis and pakistanis to do that for us.

[Edited on November 2, 2005 at 8:51 AM. Reason : *]

11/2/2005 8:51:38 AM

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"the CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites"

then they wouldn't qualify as black sites now would they?

11/2/2005 8:52:31 AM

how does everyone think the suspects get there........................................


................how about the "secret" flight department in Smithfield, NC

11/2/2005 9:42:29 AM

read the entire article. its a lot longer than what he posted

11/2/2005 10:57:40 AM

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"It is illegal for the government to hold prisoners in such isolation in secret prisons in the United States, which is why the CIA placed them overseas, according to several former and current intelligence officials and other U.S. government officials. Legal experts and intelligence officials said that the CIA's internment practices also would be considered illegal under the laws of several host countries, where detainees have rights to have a lawyer or to mount a defense against allegations of wrongdoing. Host countries have signed the U.N. Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, as has the United States. Yet CIA interrogators in the overseas sites are permitted to use the CIA's approved "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques," some of which are prohibited by the U.N. convention and by U.S. military law. They include tactics such as "waterboarding," in which a prisoner is made to believe he or she is drowning."

11/2/2005 11:45:02 AM

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""Enhanced Interrogation Techniques""

LOL

11/2/2005 11:50:56 AM

^ So you bitch and bitch about preserving civil liberties, but laugh at the torture of others?

11/2/2005 11:56:02 AM

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"So you bitch and bitch about preserving civil liberties, but laugh at the torture of others? "

Nice try moron.

Only an idiot would actually believe that I support torture after reading my posts. You know well about the threads and posts I have made denouncing U.S. support and use of torture.

I am laughing at the euphemism given to torture by the government because of it's absurdity.

And if anybody is going to openly support torture around here, it's probably going to be someone like you who apparantly believes that the government is so good, can do no wrong, and never lies.

[Edited on November 2, 2005 at 12:10 PM. Reason : 1]

11/2/2005 12:07:02 PM

SMEAR SMEAR SMEAR! SLANDER SLANDER SLANDER!

You are all about some NWO tactics, aren't you?

11/2/2005 12:09:45 PM

^ like a supplex or a bodyslam?

11/2/2005 12:11:27 PM

the whole thing is pretty crazy. capturing suspects from countries all over the world (not just middle eastern countries) and whisking them away to secret prisons in foreign countries like thailand where no one knows anything at all about whats going on.


where's the black helicopter picture??

11/2/2005 12:12:27 PM

This is the most legitimate thread I think he's ever posted, folks

11/2/2005 12:15:45 PM

Why? Because msnbc is the source?

If you'd notice, most of the threads I post use "mainstream" sources for documentaion.

11/2/2005 12:17:34 PM

YEAH! YOU DON'T GET MORE MAINSTREAM THAN PRISON-PLANET!

11/2/2005 3:13:06 PM

I've said this before, and I guess I need to say it again...the http://www.prisonplanet.com website consists mainly of LINKS TO "MAINSTREAM" SOURCES. With many of the mainstream articles, the site will create an archive of the article and include a link to the original source at the top of the "archive page." I sometimes post the link to this archive of the mainstream article. So, you see prisonplanet as the link, but the orignial source is a "mainstream" newspaper or website.

[Edited on November 2, 2005 at 3:32 PM. Reason : 3]

11/2/2005 3:24:49 PM

Secret torture chambers, WMDs....OMG SOMEONE NEEDS INVADING!

11/2/2005 3:44:56 PM

fuck them all i see no problem with secret prisons, it's not like they're grabbing car-jackers and throwing them in there, lock all the terrorists up and forget the prisons even exist

11/2/2005 6:20:22 PM