in an eclipse? why did they merge? why is the rs and gs models with 420a while gst and gsx with the real meaty jap motors? i have been searching all over the internet and nothing but reviews of cars and stuff like that comes up? please explain this to me why a chrysler engine is in a car with nice body that says mitsubishiiit on it when its not mitsubishi or japanese its chrysler (which i hate)??? tell me what the deal is yo!?

i have searched about engine swaps and thats a waste of time and money but is a good idea for insurance purposes and you wanting a turbo and nice ass motor...but please enlighten me on this topic as iam starting to hate what mitsubishi is doing



[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 2:05 AM. Reason : freindly ]

11/3/2005 1:37:12 AM

Whoever told you Mitsubishis were good cars

11/3/2005 1:39:26 AM

i just wanna know the reason!

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 2:06 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2005 1:46:28 AM

someone's sad they bought a mitsubishi neon.

11/3/2005 1:51:01 AM

VERY! i just hate to think about it...how a person might take good care of a neon engine and all...you know??
so what is going on!?


V iam not whinning i just want some questions answered?



[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 2:07 AM. Reason : V: bottom post]

11/3/2005 1:55:13 AM

wtf difference does it make...I mean unless you wanna enjoy whining.

11/3/2005 1:58:13 AM

I am going to go shit my brains out. That is all.

11/3/2005 2:00:45 AM

DSM

doesn't mean

Dis Stuff's Mitsubishi

11/3/2005 8:51:20 AM

fun fact

our old Plymouth Voyager(s) had Mitsubishi engines

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 8:53 AM. Reason : and the engine was still a POS]

11/3/2005 8:52:47 AM

More for your factoids...

The 2.6 engine used in quite a few Chrysler products is a Mitsubishi engine. A horrible adaptation, if you ask me.

All 3.0 V6 engines are Mitsubishi...and they all have leaky valve guides.

11/3/2005 9:18:36 AM

How many times has someone mentioned this to him already?

I can't believe he's just now figuring it out.

11/3/2005 10:26:29 AM

A855/853 > 420a

11/3/2005 11:12:00 AM

i don't even know where to start with this thread

11/3/2005 11:54:34 AM

everyone said to sell the damn car if u were planning on turbo'ing it it's a waste of money. there is a 16 year old kit at my work that is the same as you, he's trying to turbo his neon engine'd eclipse as we speak. i told him to sell his car and get another but go figure. although he does have nice nos floor mats .

11/3/2005 12:00:17 PM

oh, is this that same guy?

we've already covered this. sell the car, do the right homework so you buy the right car next time, then buy the right car.

or maybe you'd be better off with what you have until you really learn a lot more about what you're doing.

11/3/2005 12:05:55 PM

TURRRRRRRRRRBO

11/3/2005 12:09:37 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=357019

lmao.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2005 12:29:24 PM

There's nothing wrong with a Neon... as a matter of fact... I was spanked by one the other day

11/3/2005 1:03:36 PM

If you hate Chrysler, then you shouldn't own a Mitsubishi of that vintage.

I mean, shouldn't the existence of the Eagle Talon (Eagle being a Chyrsler brand) be a clue to you that both companies were involved?

11/3/2005 1:16:25 PM

Dude, just put mirror tint and a supra wing and some incorrect badging on it, then it'll be fast regardless of what is under the hood.

11/3/2005 1:32:37 PM

^^^ No 420a powering that beast.

11/3/2005 1:38:48 PM

^^^not to mention the Plymouth Laser

11/3/2005 2:07:31 PM

Just drop the 4G63 in, its easy....

11/3/2005 3:34:14 PM

ok guys thanks for the sarcasm, i just want some info, i know i can sell this and buy another car and all, but all i want is facts and information on why doesnt the mitsu eclipse doesnt have a mitsu engine (the rs and gs models) and how come the gst and gsx have mitsu engines. i figured out that its hard and time consuming to swap and is costy so its not worth it...but i just want to be enlightened on this issue..

11/3/2005 5:17:25 PM

because the DSMs were a joint venture between Mitsu and Chrysler Corp.

just like Ford and Mazda are in bed together

and Saab is a GM brand now (not to mention that one of the Saab models is a glorified WRX)

and Geos were just rebadged somethingorother

and McLaren F1s used BMW engines


i mean, this isn't the only example of this

11/3/2005 5:23:42 PM

i had the 89 2.5 I4 mistu engine in my dodge spirit before it was totalled

they have been in bed together for years

11/3/2005 5:24:00 PM

my shit was the turbo 2.5L I4 from 89

11/3/2005 5:24:58 PM

turbo? was it one of the Spirit R/T's? Heard those were fun little cars.

11/3/2005 5:28:01 PM

The real answer is because the 420A is a better engine than the old 4G63 found in the turbo DSMs. Notice that the Lancer Evo switched to the completely new variant of the 4G63 way back, prior to the demise of the turbo Eclipses, at the Evo IV variant and we are on Evo IX now. Now don't get me wrong, I know that 4G63s are making more power on a large scale in comparison to the 420A and I also know about the inherent problems with the 420A, but Mitsubishi saw the 420A as a better motor than the non turbo 4G63, so when the new platform came out in 95, they designed it around the 420A. Obviously the cost of developing a turbo 420A and an AWD transmission to match outweighed any benefit, so the turbo DSMs kept the old 4G63 set up. There's you answer, minus any sarcasm.

11/3/2005 5:32:25 PM

I'm guessing it was dollars and cents. I think Mitsubishi saw the 420A as the CHEAPER motor, not necessarily the better. Aren't the 420A and the N/A 4g63 similar in power output?

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 6:01 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2005 5:59:52 PM

Technology and engineering wise, the 420A really is a more advanced engine. The old 4G63 is an extremely simple motor, nothing fancy about it.

The following link is an overview of the technology found in the 420A.
http://www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Sections&op=printpage&artid=7

There's more information out there about why it is better, I've read it casually when browsing the various DSM forums I am on.

I don't think it was really a cost issue in the sense that the 420A cost less to build, since Mitsubishi was still building the 4G63 for the turbo cars and the only difference was the pistons and some very minor other differences.

11/3/2005 6:53:22 PM

420a, where the power aint at!

11/3/2005 6:53:33 PM

TURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBO

11/3/2005 6:55:55 PM

if you want a turbo eclipse sell the one you have now, and and go buy a gs-t or gsx. swapping the 4g63 into your current car will be a huge pain in the ass considering that the motors are mounted differently in each respective car.

the 420a is a POS too regardless of whether or not it is a more advanced motor than the 4g63 considering that it lends itself neither to performance or easy modification.

11/3/2005 9:48:29 PM

Quote :

"why is the rs and gs models with 420a while gst and gsx with the real meaty jap motors?"

they made the rs and gs models with the underwhelming 420a powerplant so that ricers with little knowledge and poor taste wouldnt kill themselves in a car that was reasonably quick to begin with and much much faster with a little investment.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 9:51 PM. Reason : f]

11/3/2005 9:51:09 PM

Quote :

"turbo? was it one of the Spirit R/T's? Heard those were fun little cars."

wasnt a R/T, it was the base with the 2.5L I4 turbo mated to a 3 speed auto

didnt the R/T have a 5 speed manual?

and it wasnt little

fucker weighed 2 tons

11/3/2005 10:27:16 PM

im pretty sure chrysler didnt put a neon engine in a mitsubishi, but vice versa

11/3/2005 10:32:37 PM

whos engine is it thats in the VR4s and Stealth R/Ts?

11/4/2005 12:33:58 AM

mitsu.

also id say a LOT (well over 50%?) of the dodge/chrysler minivans on planet earth are powered by a mitsu v6

11/4/2005 12:35:51 AM

Mitsu's been a... partener of Chrysler since at least the early eighties... maybe earlier
CONQUEST AHOY

11/4/2005 11:07:38 AM

Quote :

"and it wasnt little fucker weighed 2 tons"

Damn. Didn't look it. Those barely qualified as midsize cars...

11/4/2005 11:21:16 AM

ok, so follow me on this one.

I want to buy a GS-T or GSX but i know my insurance is going to be crazy high b/c of my record....so i am thinking to stick to this car and put a turbo that way insurance wont be affected (this is the real reason, i think its worth it??)...but i want to still get more info of why, if at all, is the mitsubishi motor(4G63s) better than the 420a motor...last time i looked in the manual i bought and under the hood of the GST and GS, there isnt much diffrence with the engine except that its just turned 180 degrees and just has the turbo..so, mechanically and durability speaking which one is better and why?

and also is the 95-99 models of GS-t and GSX engines made in japan like the earlier eclipse 94 and down or are they also "chrysler mitsubishies"?

thanks!

11/6/2005 4:06:26 AM

Call your insurance company and ask them how much more it would be if you own a GSX. They should be able to give you a good estimate. It may not be that much... on my car actually they don't even charge a higher rate for turbo vs. nonturbo. They only raise the rate if you have a convertible.

Remember that turboing this engine is not going to be cost-effective, so cheaper insurance on an inferior platform won't necessarily put you ahead financially. The 4G63 has a huge aftermarket compared to the 420A, so that will automatically make it easier and cheaper to upgrade.

11/6/2005 10:11:11 AM

Go to DSMTuners.com and start reading. Your insurance isn't really going to be any worse. All of your questions have been answered 1000 times over at DSMTuners, so go over there and search around. Do not, I repeat, do not post this question on that forum. Just search and you will find your answers pretty quickly. If you post, you'll get dogged a bit and then it will probably get locked.

11/6/2005 11:19:55 AM

Let me answer your original question, btw.

Money.

Platform sharing; look it up.

Mike

11/6/2005 11:34:58 AM

Quote :

"Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, the parent company to Mitsubishi Motors is one of the worlds largest corporations, dating back prior to 1937. Mitsubishi Motors Division is ranked among the 10 largest automobile manufacturers in the world. As a side note, Mitsubishi is also the only automotive manufacturer in the world that builds their own turbochargers! In 1972, Chrysler Corporation purchased a minor percentage of Mitsubishi Motors stock that gained them a seat on the board of directors. This opened up Chryslers ability to introduce a variety of low cost, fuel efficient cars toting the Chrysler, Plymouth or Dodge banner. We saw many cars, such as the Champ, Colt, Arrow, Challenger, Sapporo, mini trucks roll off Chrysler's lots and home in the hands of happy consumers. Many of Chryslers US built cars shared Mitsubishi power plants (i.e., LeBaron, Dodge 400, Reliant, and Aries.) It was to no-ones surprise when they announced their intended entry to the US automotive market in 1983. Having gained knowledge of what the US consumers wanted through their partnership with Chrysler Corporation, the car manufacture stood ready to strike out on their own. To introduce themselves in October of 1982, a modest lineup of models prove sufficient. These were the Cordia, Tredia, Montero, 2WD and 4WD trucks, and of course, their Flagship, the Starion."

11/6/2005 1:32:47 PM

It's funny how he used to talk shit about my Eclipse and then he turned around and bought one himself.

11/6/2005 2:18:46 PM

fun fact the awd caravans were based on 3000gt vr4 parts (sans motor)

11/6/2005 6:45:50 PM

my parents old VW van had a porsche engine in it - lol

11/6/2005 7:40:08 PM

nothing funny about that

11/6/2005 7:53:37 PM