The only ones with the balls to not only launch strikes on Iran but also deploy an effective missile-defense at the same time...

12/5/2005 11:20:07 AM

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"...with the balls..."

Wait. It's the jooz doing the fighting?

I thought they would just send those "stupid goys" from America to do the fighting for them. Like with Iraq.

And they always sell weapons to both sides. How are they gonna make all that money in arms sales and jack up the government debt to their banks if the war is over in a week? They need a long, drawn out conflict.

[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 1:35 PM. Reason : `]

12/5/2005 1:35:01 PM

Define "effective." I'm out of the loop.

I bet Iran looks like it would've been a better target in 2003 right about now...

12/5/2005 3:21:38 PM

^
There was an AP story in the N&O some time in the last couple days, everything's kind of blurred together this past week so I don't remember which one

Essentially teh j00z have been working with US defense contractors on their missile shield, and it's now more effective than what we've got state-side and capable of taking down multiple warheads.

[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 3:28 PM. Reason : still not as good as Aegis though]

12/5/2005 3:27:28 PM

this is dubious

Doesn't mention multiple warheads:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/12/israel-successfully-tests-arrow-theater-missile-defense/index.php


It's more effective than PATRIOT. That's hardly all we have got. Please to back off the israel cock-sucking.

[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 7:57 PM. Reason : kl;]

12/5/2005 7:51:29 PM

Of course it is. It's a Drudge float. Apparently the source misquoted El Baredei entirely, but what did you expect?

12/5/2005 7:57:03 PM

I don't read Defense Industry Daily, and generally don't cite Drudge on TWW. I'm talking about the AP piece that ran in the N&O this past week (e.g. the physical, tangible, non-Drudge thing old cultures used to call a "newspaper").

And if the AP doesn't have their facts straight...well fuck me I guess, along with most of the news posted in TSB...

[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 8:04 PM. Reason : ---]

12/5/2005 8:02:51 PM

I don't think America should support Israel period. What do they do for us? Nothing. All they do is suck our tax dollars up and provide nothing in return. Israel is a leech and it's time to rid ourselves of the parasite.

12/5/2005 8:05:42 PM

^well, they obviously help us test missile defense systems.

12/5/2005 8:07:48 PM

We can test our own missile defense systems. We don't need them. To hell with Israel.

12/5/2005 8:17:06 PM

Hey, there's a multiple billion dollar silicon wafer plant being built their by Intel, I think.

They're like another place to do business, only with more suicide bombing and political controversy.

12/5/2005 8:55:45 PM

last I checked, a lot of americans still like visiting jesus-land

12/5/2005 8:59:22 PM

^^ And lower taxes

12/5/2005 9:47:26 PM

Anyone wondering why we support Israel hasn't looked at a map in a long time, like maybe ever.

12/5/2005 9:59:25 PM

^best argument ever!

12/5/2005 10:27:50 PM

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"Anyone wondering why we support Israel hasn't looked at a map in a long time, like maybe ever."

I know where Israel is, what's the point? All they do is suck our tax dollars and provide us nothing in return. They are a leech, and need to be cut off like one.

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"last I checked, a lot of americans still like visiting jesus-land"

Then let them go at their own risk. I could care less what happens to Israel. I live in the United States of America, not Israel. Their problems are their own.

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"Hey, there's a multiple billion dollar silicon wafer plant being built their by Intel, I think. They're like another place to do business, only with more suicide bombing and political controversy."

Then let Intel bear the brunt of the risk then. There is no need to spend public tax dollars to protect their facilities over there. I'm sure there are many other places that are much safer that where they could build their plant.

12/6/2005 2:53:41 AM

Protostar was born to argue

he was not born to do it well

12/6/2005 4:01:12 PM

and the utterly pathetic drivel you post is what?....the finest example of persuasive argument?

12/6/2005 4:56:12 PM

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"I don't think America should support Israel period. What do they do for us? Nothing. All they do is suck our tax dollars up and provide nothing in return. Israel is a leech and it's time to rid ourselves of the parasite."

As I understand it, we only give Israel money because we give Egypt money. It was the terms of the last peace treaty they signed, we give them each $1 billion.

A crime against humanity, sure enough. Surely it is no longer needed at this point. Egypt can defend itself, so can Israel. The only argument in favor of continuing the subsidy is inertia, as far as I can tell.

As for supporting Israel politically, that is another topic. All our vetos at the UN should continue, if for no other reason than to have the UN butt out of problems it cannot solve. A general sense of favor towards Israel should be maintained, and as far as I can tell that is all we are maintaining, so in this sense I wouldn't change a thing.

But that treaty between the US, Egypt, and Israel should definitely be torn up!

12/6/2005 5:13:17 PM

^^ there is no response to you or anyone of your ilk that is worth the energy to type it out that would ever do any good. your paranoid mind is not only looking far behind the obvious, but so in need of a conspiracy that you make them up when they're not there. you're an absolute tool of any entity in government or otherwise to keep the real conspiracies hidden by being the poster boy of the tin foil hat people.

you have been slapped in the face with outright FACTS regarding several different wackjob theories you have posted and you disregard them, while spewing more bullshit that only another wackjob, ie Protodouche, finds credible.

then you go around spitting at others about "credible arguments" or "persuasive arguments" when the last fucking thing they're ever trying to do is persuade your ass, because they saw long ago that it does no good to try to rationalize with the irrational.

you are a joke. you are the biggest laughing stock EVER to show up on the wolfweb, which is absolutely FILLED with laughing stocks. the fact that you take yourself seriously and think that others take you seriously adds to your laughability.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 6:23 PM. Reason : *]

12/6/2005 6:22:29 PM

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"As I understand it, we only give Israel money because we give Egypt money. It was the terms of the last peace treaty they signed, we give them each $1 billion."

We shouldn't be giving ANYONE money. No money to Israel, Egypt, noone. No foreign aid period. I don't care what it's for.

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"A crime against humanity, sure enough. Surely it is no longer needed at this point. Egypt can defend itself, so can Israel. The only argument in favor of continuing the subsidy is inertia, as far as I can tell."

So we should just continue wasting money because we've always waste money? Gotcha.

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"As for supporting Israel politically, that is another topic. All our vetos at the UN should continue, if for no other reason than to have the UN butt out of problems it cannot solve. A general sense of favor towards Israel should be maintained, and as far as I can tell that is all we are maintaining, so in this sense I wouldn't change a thing."

First off, I think we should get out of the UN completely and tell them to GTFO of the US. Let them move the HQ to Brussels, the capital of socialism. And why should we continue to support Israel politically? How does that help us? It does nothing for the US; the only one benefitting from such a relationship is them. I could really care less if the Arabs went through Israel and tore it apart. I don't live there, what the hell do I care if Israel is wiped out? If they can't hold their own against the Arabs, then sucks to be them.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 6:48 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2005 6:47:48 PM

yeah, we should really quit giving people free money

12/6/2005 7:30:06 PM

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"So we should just continue wasting money because we've always waste money? Gotcha."

You did notice that I called giving them money was "A crime against humanity," right?

As for the rest of it, I could not disagree enough. If I came across someone I considered a friend being mugged on the street and I was armed I would damn sure intervene on his behalf. As such, nations can act in similar fashion with each other. It doesn't help America to see friends come to a bad end, even if they are Israel.

You must fall into three possible camps:
#1: You feel putting your own life on the line to help a friend the street is repugnant, therefore negating my metaphore.
#2: Countries and people are dissimilar and my metaphore is rediculous, apples and oranges.
#3: Both people and nations in good standing should help each other when in trouble, but Israel is "special" in that it is undeserving of respect or help.

12/6/2005 10:14:55 PM

We pay both of them off because in the modern world, Great Britain no longer protects global shipping lanes which promotes trade and world economic growth, the United States now fills that role. Egypt and Israel straddle the hotly contested Suez Canal. Many wars have been fought over this canal. Any instability in the region would cripple the worlds economy fairly quickly, say if Egypt cut off the flow of ship traffic.

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"Some 17,334 ships crossed the canal during the year compared to 16,176 ships in the previous year(2003-2004), Fadel said, adding that about 7. 5 percent of world sea trade passes through the waterway, which connects the Mediterranean and the Red Sea and saves ships the longer, costlier route around South Africa. "

I understand the distaste for Foreign Aid, but it is as neccessary as our warships that routinely pass safely through the Suez Canal.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 11:10 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/6/2005 11:08:29 PM

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"Any instability in the region would cripple the worlds economy fairly quickly"

Bull-Shit.
"The World Economy" would be just fine. What you meant to say was "The European Economy" because the rest of the world doesn't rely on oil coming through the canal.

Even for that, the world-fleet of super tankers, which don't fit in the canal because the badly-maintained canal isn't wide enough, go around anyway.

As for America's navy, you can trust me, we can get through whenever we wish regardless of what Egypt and Israel are doing.

Secondly, the only such war you might be referring to is a war between Egypt and Israel. Odds are, Israel would be capable of siezing the canal intact, minimizing economic disruption.

12/6/2005 11:42:43 PM

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"You did notice that I called giving them money was "A crime against humanity," right?"

Sorry about that. I did indeed miss it.

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"As for the rest of it, I could not disagree enough. If I came across someone I considered a friend being mugged on the street and I was armed I would damn sure intervene on his behalf. As such, nations can act in similar fashion with each other. It doesn't help America to see friends come to a bad end, even if they are Israel."

I only believe America should step in if it benefits us or our security is at risk. Israel's security concerns are not our security concerns. In fact I think our security would improve because one of the biggest reasons the Arabs hate us is for our support of Israel.

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"You feel putting your own life on the line to help a friend the street is repugnant, therefore negating my metaphore."

Not really repugnant, just not worth it. Noones life is worth putting mine on the line for. Noones.

12/6/2005 11:56:38 PM

"no one's"
not noones

and #2.

12/7/2005 12:02:49 AM

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"Bull-Shit. "The World Economy" would be just fine. What you meant to say was "The European Economy" because the rest of the world doesn't rely on oil coming through the canal."

Yeah, I guess you are right, the Eurpoean economy has no effect whatsoever on the world economy. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess that's why we never got involved in WWI or WWII.

Oh and there's always this, since the Euro was introduced:

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"As a continent, Europe has the largest economy. Europe's largest national economy is that of Germany, which ranks third globally in nominal GDP, and fourth in purchasing power parity (PPP) GDP. The European Union is the world's largest economy, surpassing even that of the United States of America."

I guess I was crazy for thinking that the European economy was important to the world.

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"As for America's navy, you can trust me, we can get through whenever we wish regardless of what Egypt and Israel are doing. "

Yeah, I guess my six years in the Navy are nothing compared to your internet research. I can tell you with certainty that passage through the Suez Canal is a very touchy operation every time it occurs. But yeah, you seem to think otherwise, so it must not be what I remember from having passed through the canal. I must have been dreaming about all the 50 cal mounts, small boat patrols, increased watchstanding, and intelligence reports that all have to culminate flawlessly each and every time we nervously pass through the Suez. We pay Egypt money to protect us and we pay Israel in case we need to take care of some business in the region if things don't go well. But whatever, you people can never consider anything other than your own opinion for a moment.

12/7/2005 12:14:27 PM

bttt for the Holocaust myth

now even Sharon is itching for strikes...

12/14/2005 10:47:16 AM