besides ferrari of course

12/8/2005 12:52:29 PM

Indy cars

12/8/2005 12:57:23 PM

volkswagon/audi DSG
bmw (M3 and others)

12/8/2005 12:57:46 PM

astons i think>

12/8/2005 1:12:06 PM

Maserati (its the same system as Ferrari since Ferrari is the parent company)

12/8/2005 1:40:15 PM

Pontiac Grand Prix

12/8/2005 3:29:30 PM

u can pretend like i do with the headlights and windshield washer sticks..

12/8/2005 3:43:59 PM

^ nope, i think he means manual transmissions that can be shifted by computer.

grand prix is an automatic transmission, torque converter, valve body, etc.

12/8/2005 3:44:15 PM

it depends. BigMan157 needs to tell us whether he means any form of semi-manual shifting, including switch intervention on an auto or whether he literally means a computer controlled manual. There's a lot of either, but the DSG audis (and VW's soon) are the only cheap paddle-shifted manuals.

so....
VW Audi/ DSG...
found in Audi TT v6, some cars equipped with the new 2.0T VW engine: a3, maybe a4, probably soon on the Jetta, coming soon to the new golf GTI and r32 (which will be a 3-door, meaning the 5-door a3 is the only one we get). And of course the new bugatti Veyron, but I think Ricardo built that one, it's a 7-speeder...

BMW's smg... e46 m3's, new m5, pretty sure it wasn't available with the previous m5... I think you can get SMG on the z4, or maybe I just saw that in pics for the new M roadster (coming out this year for those who missed it... expect to see it in writeups for detroit and LA auto shows next month)

Magnetti Marelli customers....
Lambo E-gear (gallardo, Maranello), Ferrari F1's- f355 (first car to have f1, or any other true paddle-shifted manual, way older than the rest of the cars here, btw), 550 Maranello, 575M, 612 Scaglietti, 360 Modena, F430, Enzo; recent aston martins... Vanquish was the first, DB7's, even the V12 powered Vantages, GT's, Zagatos, and AR1's never had it. Db9, v8 vantage when it's available.

Porsche has one, they just aren't selling it yet. Porsche used one in the 70's for the 917 racers, Audi was imitating them when they built one for their quattro rally cars. Porsche is definitely going to have one on the 997 turbo and gt2 and gt3 when those are available. It will probably replace tiptronic as the "automatic" option, thus removing the unholy torque converters from our porsches! hooray!

So yeah, if you want to see DSG or any other semi-auto-manual in action, go drive an audi a3. If you like it, get in line for a GTI when it comes out, because that'll probably be cheaper.

V pretty sure that's a no. The new corvettes have a new 6 speed automatic that, like most expensive cars today, have a manual-shifting option. The one in the new corvette is considered damn good from what I've read, and is making loud noises for a not-so-new idea because the previous 4-speeder was an embarassment for a car like the vette.

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 10:43 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2005 10:30:16 PM

2006 ZO6

12/8/2005 10:37:55 PM

Quote :

"^ nope, i think he means manual transmissions that can be shifted by computer. grand prix is an automatic transmission, torque converter, valve body, etc."

I know the difference in an automatic and manual transmission, he said which cars have paddles

Pontiac Grand Prix

12/9/2005 12:22:40 AM

^understood. But if that's the case... oh man... it's a looooooong list. starting with the first tiptronic porsches.

12/9/2005 12:49:30 AM

Quote :

"Maserati (its the same system as Ferrari since Ferrari is the parent company)"

sold again

12/9/2005 1:02:28 AM

i'm driving an 06 Jetta GLI w/ the 6 speed dsg (dad's car, mine's broken) for the week, its pretty impressive, especially in a sub-30,000 car. blips the throttle and rev matches perfectly on downshifts everytime.

12/9/2005 7:08:38 AM

BARELY a sub 30k car. I like the GLI, but it should be a sub 20k car.

12/9/2005 11:04:58 AM

sticker was 27K, got it for 25K. It's a package 1.

12/9/2005 11:49:33 AM

package 1 dsg GLI stickers for more than 27k im pretty sure. A 2.0t package 1 dsg sitckers 27k.

12/9/2005 12:09:27 PM

Ferrari Style would imply computer controlled clutch engagement, not some gay torque converter automatic with paddles

12/9/2005 1:20:06 PM

all GLI's for 06 are 2.0t's, and i have the sticker, it says 27K and some change

12/9/2005 1:23:00 PM

im saying the 2.0t NON GLI. GLI has xenons, diff wheels, and a few other things the std. 2.0 doesnt.

Quote :

"Ferrari Style would imply computer controlled clutch engagement, not some gay torque converter automatic with paddles "

Do you know what DSG is? I suggest you try it before you call it gay.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 7:29 PM. Reason : more]

12/9/2005 7:29:07 PM

Quote :

"im saying the 2.0t NON GLI"

no such thing. 2.0t is GLI regardless of options.

GLI comes standard with 17" and optional 18". pack 1 is i think moonroof and satellite radio. package 2 is better seats, cold weather package and some other stuff. 18" wheels arent part of either package.

12/9/2005 7:46:49 PM

RX8

12/9/2005 8:44:26 PM

^nope. That's an auto. So is the new mx5

12/10/2005 2:45:56 AM

i thought he was referring to paddle shifters on the steering wheels because the auto rx8s have em

12/10/2005 3:36:02 AM

do you really want an automatic on a car with like 6 inch-ounces of torque below 5000rpm (RX-8)

I'll answer for you

no, you don't, you want the manual

12/10/2005 6:36:44 AM

Yes there is dipshit. I wouldn't said it if there wasnt. There is a non GLI 2.0t. I had 2 at my dealership.

I know what it comes with and i know the packs.

http://config.vw.com/autodata/config/buildModel.asp?AppID=GNQ&model=jetta

Quote :

"no such thing. 2.0t is GLI regardless of options. GLI comes standard with 17" and optional 18". pack 1 is i think moonroof and satellite radio. package 2 is better seats, cold weather package and some other stuff. 18" wheels arent part of either package. "

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 12:23 PM. Reason : link]

12/10/2005 12:20:15 PM

the new gli has an msrp starting at 23790, according to vw.com

http://www.vw.com/jetta/gli/gli_specs.html

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 12:28 PM. Reason : added a link for the assholes that think i'm wrong b/c they are too lazy to look it up]

12/10/2005 12:26:35 PM

I understand what you mean. yes the 2.0t is available in a regular jetta. The GLI, which comes with the 2.0, does list for much less that 30k unless you get the package 2.

12/10/2005 5:51:38 PM

Quote :

"do you really want an automatic on a car with like 6 inch-ounces of torque below 5000rpm (RX-8) I'll answer for you no, you don't, you want the manual"

you failed to mention the horrible difference in hp between the auto and manual too

12/10/2005 8:11:07 PM