http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=b5054582-7a73-42eb-94aa-a99a9cc4bf74&k=7384

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"Handgun ban Anne Dawson , with files from James Gordon and ElizabethThompson, CanWest News Service Published: Thursday, December 08, 2005 MONTREAL -- Prime Minister Paul Martin will propose a ban on most handguns in Canada, CanWest News Service has learned. Sources say Martin, who will make the election campaign announcement this morning, wants to choke off the supply of handguns in this country, particularly guns brought into the country illegally and those sold on the black market. There will be some exemptions, including maintaining the right for police to carry handguns. The prime minister is also expected to announce a significant increase in resources for police to deal with the ban. The Liberals say the thinking behind this crime strategy is that if no one is allowed to have a handgun in Canada, policing authorities will be in a better position to act on anyone who has a handgun or attempts to transport or sell a handgun. The announcement will include the banning of all registered handguns in Canada. However, sources say special arrangements will be made for gun collectors. This crime prevention strategy will be announced as a key plank in the Liberal election campaign Thursday."

12/8/2005 2:35:55 PM

HOLY SHIT! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING!

Oh wait, we don't live in Canada.

12/8/2005 2:38:47 PM

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"special arrangements will be made for gun collectors"

the loophole

12/8/2005 3:09:42 PM

YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO OWN ONLY ONE HANDGUN!!!!1

12/8/2005 3:17:42 PM

this is what happens after guns are registered. if you tell the gov't you have them, they know whose door to come knocking on. that's why left wingers want to register guns. it's just deceptive means to an end.

12/8/2005 3:27:42 PM

who let you out of the soapbox?

12/8/2005 3:29:32 PM

doesn't canada have really low gun crimes?

12/8/2005 3:52:19 PM

lets go rob some canadians.

12/8/2005 4:01:38 PM

As explained by salisburyboy, gun laws actually create crime. So Canada is on the verge of being overrun by murderers and rapists.

12/8/2005 4:01:50 PM

Are you required by law to register guns in North Carolina?

12/8/2005 4:06:32 PM

This will make it so much easier for myself and a small militia to takeover Canada for fun and profit.

12/8/2005 4:29:04 PM

$profit!

12/8/2005 4:31:41 PM

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"Are you required by law to register guns in North Carolina?"

Handguns in Durham county. Everywhere else, no

12/8/2005 4:45:45 PM

R E T A R D E D >.<

12/8/2005 4:54:37 PM

^^Cool.

12/8/2005 5:17:34 PM

Cool that Durham does or everywhere else doesn't?

12/9/2005 1:34:37 AM

Shit, that reminds me. Now that I've moved I get to unregister my handguns.

Why the hell did i register them in the first place? None of the gangbangers do it.

12/9/2005 1:37:19 AM

they should just ban rap

12/9/2005 2:19:36 AM

Finally, something to stem the tide of the rampant and unending cycle of Canadian gun violence.

12/9/2005 2:42:32 AM

apparently it's something like $1300 to get CCL here in FL

and odds are i'm going to CA next, so i know i won't be doing it there

prob be back in SC after that. i bet they're cool with guns.

12/9/2005 2:47:32 AM

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"Handguns in Durham county. Everywhere else, no"

hahahaha i wonder why

12/9/2005 3:08:16 AM

HOW DARE A POLITICIAN PROPOSE LEGISLATION!!1

12/9/2005 3:09:02 AM

yeah man mad props to the pm for proposing this close to election time to rack up votes for a party that is under heavy scruntiny i mean who cares that he didnt bother with this in the years that he was already in office pretending to be tough on crime only matters when your job is on the line am i right

12/9/2005 5:51:55 PM

Did you get run out or discouraged with the soapbox, i'm starting to notice you're posting, your political graffiti all over this place.

12/9/2005 6:04:13 PM

^ agreed

12/9/2005 6:30:02 PM

Ok, so I'd really like to go on a long rant about how Canada is one of the most liberal hell holes on the planet (and fucking cold too) and site some statistics about places where they've already tried banning handguns (e.g. London). But I think "CANADA SUCKS" is sufficient.

12/9/2005 7:52:03 PM

guns, drugs, & prostitution should all be legalized and they would be less sketchy

12/9/2005 9:03:09 PM

this canada place sounds scary

12/9/2005 9:09:03 PM

wow, canada is a liberal hellhole? and here all this time, with all the time i spent there and all the time my dad worked there, i just thought they were a colder version of the US where you can get cheap drugs and pot and healthcare for all. guess thats only evident to people who dont have such a hard-on for guns, like theres a homeless man militia parked outside your house ready to invade and kill your children at any moment.

a ban is silly, yes, but some of you need to stop watching south park and listening to political pundits run their mouths and actually get out in the real world and learn something.

and yes, i am a liberal who owns a firearm, and i dont see why registering your gun should be such a hubub. you register your car, why not this one more thing? this is why i never joined the nra, this issue all seems very silly.



[Edited on December 11, 2005 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2005 2:24:33 PM

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"and yes, i am a liberal who owns a firearm, and i dont see why registering your gun should be such a hubub. you register your car, why not this one more thing? this is why i never joined the nra, this issue all seems very silly."

Registration does absolutely nothing good. Canada has a handgun registry, and all is does is cost taxpayers billions and now it tells the government who has gun that needs to be confiscated. Meanwhile, criminals who use guns are not affected because they don't register their guns.

Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right. There is a big difference.

12/11/2005 9:29:29 PM

sure you have the right to own a gun but its going to be regulated regardless. You have a right to property and we still get taxed out the ass for everything we own and we still have to regester all our shit. A gun is no different.

12/11/2005 9:52:57 PM

Are we mandated to register bats? Crowbars? Steel Pipes?

NO

<not yet anyway... This is by the way in the works for the great EU>
Apparently guns were evil so they banned them... Violent crime rate only went up. ie: bats, crowbars, steel pipes, etc...

You can live through being shot.. even multiple times.. But get hit in the Skull ONCE with any of the above and you're pretty much screwed...

Think about it...

12/11/2005 11:32:08 PM

if you get shot in the skull once, you're probably not going to make it

and you can survive many more hits from a crowbar in the chest than you can gunshots

12/11/2005 11:46:44 PM

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"sure you have the right to own a gun but its going to be regulated regardless. You have a right to property and we still get taxed out the ass for everything we own and we still have to regester all our shit. A gun is no different."

Uh.. What shit do we have to register?

Saying "Oh it is going to happen anyway" and just laying down and letting them roll all over you and your rights is a terrible way to think.

12/11/2005 11:58:05 PM

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"Driving a car is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right. There is a big difference."

so if youre wreckless with a car...they can take your license away. that makes sense.

but if youre wreckless with a gun...you dont think it should be taken away?

either way you are endangering people. be consistent here. id like to think people could be trusted not to do stupid shit with their things, but people do. thats why we have consequences and reprocussions, to teach people not to be wreckless.

oh, wait, the holy 2nd amendment...its beyond criticism and reform, regardless of common sense.

[Edited on December 12, 2005 at 12:27 AM. Reason : .]

12/12/2005 12:24:05 AM

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"What shit do we have to register?"

A car.

You kind of have to register your house and property as well.

12/12/2005 12:36:05 AM

he's 18, im sure he's never had to deal with that. His arguements are kinda mute now.

[Edited on December 12, 2005 at 12:47 AM. Reason : !]

12/12/2005 12:46:38 AM

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"so if youre wreckless with a car...they can take your license away. that makes sense. but if youre wreckless with a gun...you dont think it should be taken away? either way you are endangering people. be consistent here. id like to think people could be trusted not to do stupid shit with their things, but people do. thats why we have consequences and reprocussions, to teach people not to be wreckless. oh, wait, the holy 2nd amendment...its beyond criticism and reform, regardless of common sense."

there is a definite difference here. if you are wreckless with a car, they don't take your car away. they take your license to drive it on a publicly funded road.

that's different than taking your property away, as you are implying.

12/12/2005 12:52:41 AM

that point definetly makes sense but theres still no reason why people shouldnt register the guns they own.

12/12/2005 1:09:15 AM

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"so if youre wreckless with a car...they can take your license away. that makes sense. but if youre wreckless with a gun...you dont think it should be taken away?"

Did I say that? Please point to where I said that if I did.

It is illegal for felons to own guns. (Or at least handguns. I suppose it varies from state to state.) Doing stupid stuff will get your CCL taken away. Instant background checks are taken at each gun purchase from a dealer. I don't have a problem with this.

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"either way you are endangering people. be consistent here. id like to think people could be trusted not to do stupid shit with their things, but people do. thats why we have consequences and reprocussions, to teach people not to be wreckless."

What does this have to do with registering guns?

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"oh, wait, the holy 2nd amendment...its beyond criticism and reform, regardless of common sense."

Maybe common sense should tell you to never give up any of your rights. Your second amendment right is the one that allows the people to keep all of the others that they are entitled to.

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"A car. You kind of have to register your house and property as well."

Do you have to register a car that you are never going to drive on public roads?

And a gun registry serves an entirely different purpose.

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"that point definetly makes sense but theres still no reason why people shouldnt register the guns they own."

In 1934, Germany required all guns to be registered. When Hitler came into power, the registry was used to confiscate the weapons.
In 1967, New York City required long guns to be registered. When some of the guns were later deemed illegal, the registry was used to confiscate the weapons.
California required assault weapons to be registered. It is now illegal to own an assault weapon in California.
Brazil started a registery in the 80s. Recently, they have tried to ban guns.
Australia started a registery. Now they have banned many guns.
Canada created a gun registery. Now banning handguns is being proposed.

Are you seeing a pattern?

12/12/2005 1:43:02 AM

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"Maybe common sense should tell you to never give up any of your rights. Your second amendment right is the one that allows the people to keep all of the others that they are entitled to."

ok everything else you posted aside. This might have been true in the 1789 but is not the case now. I have no problem with gun ownership but to think a gun is required to protect your rights is just ridiculous. But I guess you're waiting for the commies to come.

[Edited on December 12, 2005 at 9:17 AM. Reason : qiiizuote]

12/12/2005 9:17:08 AM

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"This might have been true in the 1789 but is not the case now. I have no problem with gun ownership but to think a gun is required to protect your rights is just ridiculous. But I guess you're waiting for the commies to come."

it is just as true today as it was in 1789. there are plenty of countries out there where the citizens need to be able to rise up and protect their own rights. and not to get too salisburyboy here, but you're naieve if you think it can't ever happen here....

[Edited on December 12, 2005 at 9:25 AM. Reason : *]

12/12/2005 9:23:24 AM

ok lets say it does happen. Your ownship of a gun is not going to stop the US government from blowing the shit out of your house with a missle.

thinking the ownership of a 9mm or shotgun is going to protect you from anything other than some minority you're afraid of is not rational. And the whole idea of militias protecting the state isnt even thought of anymore let alone used in the arguement for the 2nd amendment.

i thought liberals where the ones who didnt live in the real world. If the US government wants to be a tyrannical governing body then you and buddies and you guns are not going to do shit.

12/12/2005 9:50:05 AM

you're forgetting that the military is made up of citizens as well

bases get seized, national guards become state armies

all sorts of shit would happen

in the anarchy that would follow, i will have something to protect myself from not so much the "government" as the crazy ass crackheads that would be running wild

12/12/2005 9:56:52 AM

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"In 1934, Germany required all guns to be registered. When Hitler came into power, the registry was used to confiscate the weapons."

Not true. The quote is a fake.

12/12/2005 10:10:36 AM

^^ i dont even need the bill of rights at that point.

12/12/2005 10:20:22 AM

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"ok everything else you posted aside. This might have been true in the 1789 but is not the case now. I have no problem with gun ownership but to think a gun is required to protect your rights is just ridiculous. But I guess you're waiting for the commies to come."

In 1789 it probably was't needed because everyone saw how they had to get their freedom. The founding fathers saw it fit to include it because further down the line, people would forget and think that it wasn't important.

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"ok lets say it does happen. Your ownship of a gun is not going to stop the US government from blowing the shit out of your house with a missle."

The US Government blowing the shit out of my house isn't going to stop me from trying to take back what is rightfully mine. I don't think a government that actively attacks its citizens is one I want to live under.

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"thinking the ownership of a 9mm or shotgun is going to protect you from anything other than some minority you're afraid of is not rational. And the whole idea of militias protecting the state isnt even thought of anymore let alone used in the arguement for the 2nd amendment."

Militias protecting the state is what the 2nd amendment protects. Those are the words used. How is this not thought of?
The militia is protecting the state right now.

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"i thought liberals where the ones who didnt live in the real world. If the US government wants to be a tyrannical governing body then you and buddies and you guns are not going to do shit."

I think you underestimate the power of an armed populace.

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"Not true. The quote is a fake."

Could you provide a source? It's not that I don't believe you, it's that I've always heard it my way and I'd like to read about it.

12/12/2005 7:27:33 PM

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"Do you have to register a car that you are never going to drive on public roads?"

Legally, yes

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"And a gun registry serves an entirely different purpose."

Really?

You really think they made it just so they'd know who's door to knock on when the big bad government comes to take your guns? Doesn't that strike you as a bit tinfoil-hat-paranoid?

12/12/2005 7:33:00 PM

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"Doesn't that strike you as a bit tinfoil-hat-paranoid?"

It would if I didn't see it happen.

What is a gun registration for?

12/12/2005 8:21:56 PM

To track guns used in murders.

12/12/2005 9:01:23 PM