Dude is there a conspiracy theory that you DONT believe. I mean do you believe that we really did land on the moon, or that we dont have alien bodies at area 51 or that crack was not created on purpose to destroy the blacks. I mean it seems you believe every piece of crap conspiracy ever. And you have posted some dumb shit in your time, but the zionist jews created the nazis tops the fuckin cake. How about if you really are this paranoid and delusional you do something to effect change rather than bitch on a board where no one takes you seriously. why not go move to montana and join a freakin militia and live in a uni-bomber shack.

Also, And I mean this in all seriousness, and i dont believe we discussed it, but i would (being absolutely serious now) love to hear your theories on the kennedy assination.



[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 12:14 PM. Reason : your pal repub]

12/16/2005 12:13:13 PM

This is like making a thread about Sarose.

All you're doing is feeding the beast.

12/16/2005 12:46:40 PM

hey Salisburyboy,

as hotly contested as the following notion may be, your presence here is necessary. as is stevenumbers'. its important that even absurd

angles be thrown in, as a part of the entire debate.

its just that you can't be so illogical in all your assertions. you also can't post voluminous amounts of links and copy-paste everything you see that strikes the smallest nerve. you have to be more discerning than that.

i mean you can do all of that, but it serves to discredit you when you do it like that.

12/16/2005 12:55:37 PM

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"i mean you can do all of that, but it serves to discredit you when you do it like that."

This assumes that he had any credibility in the first place.

12/16/2005 1:12:09 PM

I would be interested to know which conspiracies he doesn't believe. Or what about things like Loch Ness and Bigfoot?

12/16/2005 1:23:42 PM

I'd also like for him to discuss and defend his ideas rather than ignore everyone who points out the holes.

12/16/2005 1:23:49 PM

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"Dude is there a conspiracy theory that you DONT believe"

Of course. There is a lot of disinformation out there. Many of the crazy stories are intentionally planted to make "conspiracy theorists" look like idiots and kooks--when, in fact, there are MANY legitimate issues that "conspiracy theorists" bring up. This tactic is called "poisoning the well."

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"And you have posted some dumb shit in your time, but the zionist jews created the nazis tops the fuckin cake."

I know it seems unlikely at first, but facts are facts. Do a little research. The Zionist bankers provided the funding for the Nazi buildup. The Zionists needed a pretext in order to motivate "Jews" to move back to Palestine and found the nation of "Israel" in Palestine. They didn't care if some of their fellow "Jews" were persecuted in the process. In fact, most of those put in the camps were Torah-only Jews, who the Zionists dislike because the Zionists believe that "true Jews" follow the Talmud.

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"Also, And I mean this in all seriousness, and i dont believe we discussed it, but i would (being absolutely serious now) love to hear your theories on the kennedy assination."

I've discussed the JFK assassination before, though not that extensively. 75%+ of the American public does not believe the Warren Commission Report. Count me in. There is no way the government's story is true. Oswald did not act alone. There had to be other shooters, including a shooter from the front. There is clearly a government cover-up. Since Oswald did not act alone and there is a cover-up, there was not only a conspiracy (ooooh, that word) to kill Kenedy, but there is also a conspiracy (within the government and media) to cover-up the truth about the assassination. By the way, the JFK assassination is how the term "conspiracy theory" became popularized. Those who believe that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy are the "conspiracy theorists." Well, excuse me, but if it means I'm a "conspiracy theorist" because I don't believe the Warren Commission Report and because I can see that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, then I'm damn proud to be one.

JFK was assassinated by the ruling elite because he was starting to turn against them. He was going to abolish the Federal Reserve and issue currency outside of the Federal Reserve (the "silver certificates"--some of which are still around--are evidence of that). He was also going to abolish the CIA and pull U.S. troops out of Vietnam. The elite couldn't allow these things to happen, so they killed him.

"The truth is not a conspiracy theory."


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 2:08 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 2:01:48 PM

You know, you'd convince a lot more people if you were a bit more discrete in your proclaimations.

12/16/2005 2:18:58 PM

hey Salisburyboy,

as hotly contested as the following notion may be, your presence here is necessary. as is stevenumbers'. its important that even absurd

angles be thrown in, as a part of the entire debate.

its just that you can't be so illogical in all your assertions. you also can't post voluminous amounts of links and copy-paste everything you see that strikes the smallest nerve. you have to be more discerning than that.

i mean you can do all of that, but it serves to discredit you when you do it like that.

12/16/2005 2:26:07 PM

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"You know, you'd convince a lot more people if you were a bit more discrete in your proclaimations."

I think the best way to present this kind of information is to do it gradually and not throw it all out there at once. Also, you would want to start with the less controversial information before moving on to the more controversial topics. I've tried to do that for the most part, but sometimes there is no easy way to present some things and you just have to come out and say it. I try to stay away from sensationalist stuff and things that are based in pure speculation, and rather stick with stuff that can be proven. And I try to use mainstream sources whenever I can.

But sometimes I think being confronted with controversial information up front can be a good thing. I "woke up" and started to question the official version on things after seeing Alex Jones' film 9/11: The Road To Tyranny. If you haven't seen that film, it gets right into the thick of things quickly. Sometimes, a "good shake" or shock in order to catch your attention will cause you to stop and think.


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 2:31 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 2:29:05 PM

And yet he still never answered my question on why he trust Alex Jones/Prisonplanet sooo much. Why do you give them credence, after admiting that they (and the information they present)may have been "tampered" with??????????????????????????????? How does he know that information is the "truth"?

He dosn't.

Im starting to feel like JonHGuth in wanting salisburyboy suspended.

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 2:34:53 PM

Yes but your credibility is so low at this point that you could say Christmas is in December and nobody would listen to you. All I'm suggesting is that you lay off the extreme sources and statements and use softer tones instead.

12/16/2005 2:38:04 PM

boy who cried wolf

12/16/2005 2:38:30 PM

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"And yet he still never answered my question on why he trust Alex Jones/Prisonplanet sooo much. "

YES, I did answer your question. And just because you say I didn't doesn't mean I didn't. I have confidence in Alex Jones because of his long track record for exposing and telling the truth on issues. That said, I don't agree with Alex Jones on every issue, and I don't completely trust Alex Jones 100% without checking on the information, getting other corroboration, etc.

Also, I must mention again that ~85% of the articles on Alex Jones' websites are articles from "mainstream" news sources. The original articles are usually nothing more than commentary on news reported in "mainstream" outlets.

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"Im starting to feel like JonHGuth in wanting salisburyboy suspended."

For what? Because you don't like my views? Last time I checked, this site doesn't censor users based on the views of users.

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 2:50 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 2:46:12 PM

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"I have confidence in Alex Jones because of his long track record for exposing and telling the truth on issues."

So how many of his theories have actually panned out? How many times has the world stopped and said "Oh wow. Alex Jones was right all along!"

12/16/2005 2:50:35 PM

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". I have confidence in Alex Jones because of his long track record for exposing and telling the truth on issues."

he sure was right about those laptop keyloggers

12/16/2005 2:52:53 PM

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"So how many of his theories have actually panned out? "

He doesn't focus on mere theories. He discusses important facts. And MANY of the things he's talked about have come to pass or been found to be true, including government involvement and the cover-up on 9/11, the national ID card, and the many issues surrounding the rising police state.

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"he sure was right about those laptop keyloggers"

Apparantly that is the one and only thing you can find against Jones. I will admit that he (or whoever liked the story) may have been wrong to trust the source and post that story on his website. Nobody is perfect, and maybe he made a mistake there.

Making an honest mistake is not a big deal. The big deal is when you have someone who is intentionally deceiving you and feeding you false information. Clearly Jones is not doing that. The MSM and the government on the other hand....

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 2:56 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 2:53:16 PM

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"And MANY of the things he's talked about have come to pass or been found to be true, including government involvement and the cover-up on 9/11, the national ID card, and the many issues surrounding the rising police state."

When was any of that found to be true?

12/16/2005 2:56:50 PM

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" Apparantly that is the one and only thing you can find against Jones."

nope

12/16/2005 2:57:24 PM

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"When was any of that found to be true? "

It's been found to be true in the minds of MANY, MANY Americans who think for themselves.

Oh, I forgot...according to you and others, something isn't "found to be true" until the MSM or "officials" in the government come out and tell you what to believe.

12/16/2005 2:59:05 PM

So you feel as if we should all follow you, just because of your intuition? Believe the things that you pick and choose? Thats mere bullshit. You don't believe everything that Alex Jones presents, only somethings. You also believe that Higher-ups may have tampered with him. Counterintuitive. Thats why noone believes you.

And whats funny, you look at us as if we're fuckin looney toons. When none of your shit is justifiable. The reason why you back your lame arguments with "theories" and countless articles is due to the fact that they can't be proven only refuted. You are so wrapped up in this conspiracy world, that even you forget they're theories. Theory does not equal fact in 99.9% of the cases

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 2:59:58 PM

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"It's been found to be true in the minds of MANY, MANY Americans who think for themselves."

Your constant linking to prisonplanet and rense.com says a lot about how you think for yourself.

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"something isn't "found to be true" until the MSM or "officials" in the government come out and tell you what to believe."

Ah, the old misrepresentation trick. Actually, as a rational person, I like to see proof before I accept some wild and improbable information. You have never provided this, nor has Alex Jones.

12/16/2005 3:02:49 PM

^here here

Oh, and the reason why i want you gone is b/c you spread hate. All this anti-jew shit is really no different from Hitler. You're a modern day internet Hitler. Its sad b/c its so true, and I would really want to kick your ass if I was a jewish student at this school. You are so cruel and vile towards jewish people thats its a crying shame. That is why you should be suspended.

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 3:12 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 3:08:13 PM

ANYONE WHO CONSTANTLY SPREADS HATE ON THESE THREADS SHOULD BE DEFINITELY SUSPENDED

some nerv salisburyboy. damn racists

12/16/2005 3:19:24 PM

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"Oh, and the reason why i want you gone is b/c you spread hate. All this anti-jew shit is really no different from Hitler. You're a modern day internet Hitler. Its sad b/c its so true, and I would really want to kick your ass if I was a jewish student at this school. You are so cruel and vile towards jewish people thats its a crying shame. That is why you should be suspended."

I despise Hitler. He was a socialist and a Satanist (heavily involved in the occult). Calling me "anti-Semitic", a "racist", or a "Hitler" is not going to deter me from speaking the truth about the "jews." Those are smear tactics designed to silence those who criticize the jews, and people are waking up to that fact. Those labels are losing their effectiveness as tools to silence critics of the state of Israel, jews, or the jewish religion.

We have every right to expose corruption and evil wherever it may be, even if it is found being done by jews or by the state of Israel. It is not "anti-semitic" to criticize the state of Israel or jews when they deserve it.

I'm not advocating violence towards the j00z or anything of the sort. I'm just speaking the truth about them. Is telling the truth "hateful"? And yes, I will criticize the j00ish religion, and individual j00z, and the state of Israel. As for the "hate" accusation, consider this...

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." (Revelation 2:9)

Are you going to say the Bible and Jesus Christ "spread hate" against these false "Jews." Do you want the Bible banned as "hate literature"? It may be true that this is "hateful", but God makes clear in the Bible, for instance, that he hates some people. Hatred is not a bad thing. It matters what you hate. Hatred of evil is good, for example.

The movement to ban certain types of speech because it is "hate speech" is blatant censorship of certain views in the guise of "fighting prejudice", etc. Banning such speech would be against the First Amendment. Granted, that doesn't affect this website since it is a private site and can be censored if the webmasters so wish, but I'm speaking in general.


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 3:54 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 3:43:38 PM

There was definitely a conspiracy with the killing of JFK.

But it wasn't this countries' ruling elite.

It was the Vietnamese and the Mob (and partially the French Mob).

12/16/2005 3:48:43 PM

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"I'm just speaking the truth about them."

That's how bigots often rationalize.

12/16/2005 3:53:00 PM

define what you mean when you say "bigot"

12/16/2005 3:55:01 PM

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"Main Entry: big·ot Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices - big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective - big·ot·ed·ly adverb "

this one is accurate too:

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"big·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgt) n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

12/16/2005 3:58:14 PM

So basically you're accusing me of being "intolerant" and "strongly partial" to my own beliefs. And that is supposed to somehow make me feel what? Ashamed?

You can't tolerate everything. Some things you tolerate/allow, others you don't. For example, our society does not tolerate murder, rape, and stealing.

As for being "strongly partial" to your own beliefs, nearly everyone fits that description. For example, muslims and Christians are intolerant of other religious beliefs and denounce others as "heretics/infidels."

Basically, you're accusing me of really believing I'm right.

Some people are under this delusion that accusing someone of being a "bigot" acutally carries some kind of weight...that it is actually accusing them of anything wrong. After hearing the term used in the media and by politicians, I guess it became fashionable. It's really very funny.


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 4:02:49 PM

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"And that is supposed to somehow make me feel what?"

Its a statement of fact, its not supposed to arouse emotion.

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"Some things you tolerate/allow, others you don't. For example, our society does not tolerate murder, rape, and stealing."

You've presented a very stupid argument. So should our society outlaw jews as well? Is racism on par with laws for general welfare?

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"As for being "partial" to your own beliefs, nearly everyone fits that description."

Good job missing most of that sentence - "strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

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"For example, muslims and Christians are intolerant of other religious beliefs and denounce others as "heretics/infidels.""

They're bigots too. Fortunately, not all muslims and christians act like you.

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"Basically, you're accusing me of really believing I'm right"

No, I'm not.

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"Some people are under this delusion that accusing someone of being a "bigot" acutally carries some kind of weight...that it is actually accusing them of anything wrong. After hearing the term used in the media and by politicians, I guess it became fashionable."

So the rest of the world is under a delusion and you are just a victim of the times? Oh you poor thing!

Rationalize however you want, just stop denying it

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 4:12:45 PM

How dare you attempt to throw the words of jesus christ in this, to justify your hatred. FYI, jesus was speaking out against the(crooked, sinful) jews of his time. No where in the bible does it say that the jews are the reasons behind all the mishaps of the world (like you insist).


What you just tried to do really displays you level of intelligence. No different from the people who kill homosexuals in the name of the bible. They spread hate/ and kill/ discriminate against homos and say, "well in the bible it says man shall not lay with man". Jesus did not spread evil. Speaking out against it does not equal spreading hate. Nice try tho'

Id much rather believe Jesus than you. Stop tryn to be him. You're a real loser dude

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:16 PM. Reason : read the bible and don't misunderstand it and mix it with your radical world views]

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:20 PM. Reason : you're in denial and dangerous]

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 4:14:23 PM

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"There was definitely a conspiracy with the killing of JFK. But it wasn't this countries' ruling elite. It was the Vietnamese and the Mob (and partially the French Mob)."

Ok, let's assume you are corrrect in that the elite is not involved. The next question for you is why are the government and the media are covering up the truth?. Why would they lie and cover-up the truth? Why not expose the Mob connection? Either the government and media are protecting the Mob, or they're protecting the real perpetrators of the assassination who used the mob.

I saw a History Channel program on the JFK assassination that detailed a Mob connection. It alleged that a French assassination squad was used, and that there were at least 2 shooters, with one being on the "grassy knoll." I think this may be accurate, and there was probably a mob connection. But ultimately, it was the ruling elite that were behind it. They hired the people (ie, the mob, possible French assassination squad to carry out the assassination). And they have used their control over the mainstream media and government to cover up the truth and blame it on their patsy Oswald.


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:27 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 4:21:07 PM

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"I saw a History Channel program on the JFK assassination that detailed a Mob connection."

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"And they have used their control over the mainstream media and government to cover up the truth and blame it on their patsy Oswald."

Nice contradiction there.

12/16/2005 4:22:51 PM

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"Nice contradiction there."

No. There is no contradiction, as you well understand. OVERALL, the MSM (and the government) still promotes the theory that Oswald acted alone. The MSM has acted overwhelmingly (ie, 98-99% of the time) to reinforce the official story on the JFK assassination. A rare promotion (or discussion) of an alternative view does not change that.

As I remember, that History Channel program did not PROMOTE the mob theory on the assassination. It merely presented the alternative view and discussed it. As with most of these History Channel Programs that cover information such as "conspiracy theories", they will present some of the information challenging the official account, but then at the end of the program they will usually suggest that the official story is probably correct. That way, they can say they have examined the alternative view but have dismissed it.

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"How dare you attempt to throw the words of jesus christ in this, to justify your hatred. FYI, jesus was speaking out against the(crooked, sinful) jews of his time."

I disagree with that. The quote I referenced is from Revelation (a prophetic book). The statement is not time specific, but is characterizing a group of people.

This is a complicated topic (and I have another thread specifically on this), but the modern day "jews" are not racial Israelites at all. They are descendents of Esau (whom God "hated"). Jesus was very critical of the religion of the Pharisees, and called the Pharisees a "generation of vipers" (the word "generation" there referring to a race of people).

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"No where in the bible does it say that the jews are the reasons behind all the mishaps of the world (like you insist)."

I never said they were behind every single thing. And you don't need the Bible to see what they are doing. All you have to do is do a little research. It is the false "jews" who dominate banking, governments, and the media. The Jews in the Bush Administration pushed for war against Iraq and fabricated the WMD threat. They are now pushing for war against Iran.


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:35 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 4:28:14 PM

How is it Jews responsible for Iraq, and not just some crazy white folks?

12/16/2005 4:31:25 PM

Well, you never clearify speaking out against "false jews". Your statements/articles are bold and general. And jesus condems all people who speak against his name, not only jews(they were not the only people to do so in his time). If you're gonna criticize jews, do it to all people who deny god. Your articles are always Jew this/jew that, and its not fair to the good honest god fearing people of the world. That is why i call it hatred.

If you're gonna quote Jesus, atleast understand who he was before you do so. He is not a tool of manipualtion to spread hate for your will. He accepts all, we are all his children.

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 4:35:54 PM

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"How is it Jews responsible for Iraq, and not just some crazy white folks?"

Just look at who is at the forefront calling for the U.S. to take action against Iran right now. It is Israel, AIPAC, and other Jewish organizations. It was the same way with Iraq. It is the Israelis and the Jewish neo-cons who pushed for war with Iraq. Then, just look at all the j00z in high positions in the Bush Administration, like Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Chertoff, Ari Fleischer, James Schlesinger, Dov Zakheim, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Elliott Abrams, etc. It's a LONG list.

Now, to be sure, there are non-j00ish whites who are involved, but they are mere lackeys of the Zionists. There are Christian Zionists, but they have been duped into supporting the agenda of the Zionists (or do it willingly).

Look at what we're doing in the mid East. We're fighting Israel's enemy in Iraq, and there's talk of invading Syria and Iran. These are all Israel's biggest enemies.

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"He accepts all, we are all his children."

That is not true. All people are not God's children. Only a select few are God's children. Satan has his children too. Jesus told the Pharisees that their father was the devil.

Here is what Jesus said to the Pharisees:

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:42-44)

God does not love all people. He hates some people.

"I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau" (Malachi 1:2-3)


[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 4:52 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 4:45:13 PM

'Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.'
Bible, Mark 10:14

"Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name,
receiveth me...and (him) that sent me" (Mark 9:37)

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children." Galatians 4:4-5,

Then Jesus called the children over to Him and said to the disciples, 'Let the little children come to me! Never send them away! For the Kingdom of God belongs to men who have hearts as trusting as these little children's. And anyone who doesn't have their kind of faith will never get within the Kingdom's gates."

To begin with a few from nearly a million quotes. The list goes on and on salisburyboy. Its easy to twist them to favor your racist hate messages. People like you are the real reason why the world is fucked up today. Its just like screaming "allahu akbar while decapitating innocent people". You don't see what your doing as wrong (then you attempt to play the religon card), and it only continues and continues.
Like i said, we are all gods children

now can we get back to the topic of your suspension please

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 5:05 PM. Reason : stop preaching the hate dude]

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 5:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 5:03:24 PM

Salisburyboy, now that you've quit, just admit it: you're the guy that worked with me up until last Sunday.

12/16/2005 5:27:39 PM

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"Salisburyboy, now that you've quit, just admit it: you're the guy that worked with me up until last Sunday."

I have no idea what you're talking about.

12/16/2005 5:36:08 PM

awww hes been suspended? why? i liked his crap

and I believe the Warren commission report, have seen a bullet do exactly what that one did in the same locations and positions

that is all, carry on

12/16/2005 5:37:30 PM

I haven't been suspended. There are just a lot of people who wish I would be silenced and censored.

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 5:41 PM. Reason : `]

12/16/2005 5:39:28 PM

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"Of course. There is a lot of disinformation out there. Many of the crazy stories are intentionally planted to make "conspiracy theorists" look like idiots and kooks--when, in fact, there are MANY legitimate issues that "conspiracy theorists" bring up. This tactic is called "poisoning the well.""

HAHAHAHAH, he has a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories! Holy shit!

12/16/2005 5:49:34 PM

so did they hack onto his account and post those planted stories on this very site?

12/16/2005 5:51:34 PM

This is beyond delusional.

12/16/2005 5:52:41 PM

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"OVERALL, the MSM (and the government) still promotes the theory that Oswald acted alone. The MSM has acted overwhelmingly (ie, 98-99% of the time) to reinforce the official story on the JFK assassination. A rare promotion (or discussion) of an alternative view does not change that."

It doesn't bother you that you blindly cite mainstream sources as long as they agree with you? However, when anyone cites a mainstream source that contradicts you or prisonplanet, you scream "Global elite media conspiracy!"

You can't have your cake and eat it too, little buddy.

12/16/2005 6:38:08 PM

The main reason why I rally for your suspension;
1) You spread hatred against others (thats enough right there)

Then you just tried to justify it with the bible. So, you just openly admitted to spreading hatred. Noone else on this entire forum does that, to the extent in which you exercise.

Then you ridicule us for not believing your weak "truth" claims. You don't even know Alex Jones, and you're so closed minded, that you won't even realize how he/prisonplanet can be false. All you say is "i trust him, he has a long track record of exposing the truth". Hello, that still does not explain how he is telling the truth. I think you allow your emotions to override your intellectual ability to reason when it comes to conspiracies.

If you want people to follow you, you should try a different method. This one is ineffective, and works against you.

^^took the words right outta my mouth. He does that all the time as if HE can only cite "true" articles

[Edited on December 16, 2005 at 6:40 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2005 6:38:19 PM

The main reason I'm for his suspension is that he creates so many garbage threads on this board that it makes it not worth going to. If you have to sift through 10 of his threads just to get to one that is a decent read and may perhaps learn something, it becomes more of a chore to post on this board. Like that "what really happened on 9/11 thread." I think he's sometimes quintuple posted just to push the damned thing back to the top. BTW, it was teh zi0nists!

12/16/2005 7:08:25 PM

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"Dude is there a conspiracy theory that you DONT believe. "

Yeah, I've wondered that before, too. It's like he automatically assumes the craziest, most outlandish, worst case scenario EVERY SINGLE TIME.

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" why not go move to montana and join a freakin militia and live in a uni-bomber shack."

hahaha

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" I try to stay away from sensationalist stuff and things that are based in pure speculation, and rather stick with stuff that can be proven. And I try to use mainstream sources whenever I can."

damn, I'd love to see some examples of stuff YOU consider sensationalist and based in speculation.

I mean, damn, I don't put a lot of faith in our government, but you're on a WHOLE different level and then some.

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"Ok, let's assume you are corrrect in that the elite is not involved. The next question for you is why are the government and the media are covering up the truth?. Why would they lie and cover-up the truth? "

I heard a theory one time that I think at least warrants further investigation. The speculation was that the fatal shot was a negligent discharge delivered by a secret service agent who was rushing to draw his weapon after the first shot(s) from the would-be assassin(s). That would obviously be pretty embarrassing for the feds, and it would be more convenient to simply chalk that shot up to the bad guy(s), since it ultimately didn't make too much difference.

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"It doesn't bother you that you blindly cite mainstream sources as long as they agree with you? However, when anyone cites a mainstream source that contradicts you or prisonplanet, you scream "Global elite media conspiracy!""

Yep. Exactly.

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"The main reason I'm for his suspension is that he creates so many garbage threads on this board that it makes it not worth going to. If you have to sift through 10 of his threads just to get to one that is a decent read and may perhaps learn something, it becomes more of a chore to post on this board."

Yeah, I don't advocate his suspension, but it would be nice to limit him to one thread. It could be his own little mini-forum.

12/16/2005 11:51:20 PM