live 1010am.

Im sure this will be all over the news very soon.

12/17/2005 10:12:27 AM

If this is really the case, I vote we start the impeachment hearings this afternoon.

12/17/2005 10:26:32 AM

except it was legal....

12/17/2005 10:29:58 AM

There is no reason the NSA wouldnt have let the courts have their normal oversight if something fishy wasnt going on.

All you have to do is report the wire taps ect 72hrs after you initiate them to the special secretive courts.

republican talking points:

-some senators knew about it
(still doesnt make it legal)

-he re-authorized the program several times
(still doesnt make it legal)




[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 10:36 AM. Reason : - ]

12/17/2005 10:35:17 AM

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=fundLaunches&storyID=2005-12-17T152926Z_01_MOL748915_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-NSA.xml

Quote :

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Saturday acknowledged he signed a secret order after the September 11, 2001, attacks to allow the surveillance of people in the United States. In a rare live radio address, Bush defended the practice as a "vital tool" in defending the United States against another such attack."

12/17/2005 10:41:53 AM

nice double post....

this was completely legal...just cause you think something was fishy doesnt mean a dang thing

this was only brought up now to be a distraction from the huge sucess we are having in Iraq...and it will be gone very soon

12/17/2005 10:45:06 AM

Quote :

"this was completely legal."

Just repeating this doesnt make it true.

The law states that if you spy on americans, you must obtain approval from a special court.

12/17/2005 10:46:11 AM

they got approval from a special court...

and repeating that was illegal doesnt make it true either

12/17/2005 10:47:39 AM

Quote :

"they got approval from a special court..."

Are you dense?

The program which bush admitted was in place HAD THE NSA DO THIS SECRETLY WITHOUT TELLING ANY COURTS OR JUDGES.

Face it, your boy is getting impeached.

Talking points ignorance syndrom strikes again.






[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 10:50 AM. Reason : -]

12/17/2005 10:49:20 AM

ok...my mistake....the judge just knew about it...but it looks like they didnt get approval...

and face it, loser...my boy will NEVER be impeached....

12/17/2005 10:52:22 AM

yes...some judge was told about it. not the ones that are needed to do this LEGALLY

here i thought we were a country of LAWS.


Authorizing something not legal is impeachable.

12/17/2005 10:55:40 AM

that may be...however, this was legal.... and he wont be impeached thats a fact

nice try

Quote :

"According to those officials and others, reservations about aspects of the program have also been expressed by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, the West Virginia Democrat who is the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a judge presiding over a secret court that oversees intelligence matters. Some of the questions about the agency's new powers led the administration to temporarily suspend the operation last year and impose more restrictions, the officials said."

Rockafeller IS the judge whose approval they need. he knew about it and was part of it. he was briefed all the time about it. it was legal

[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 11:01 AM. Reason : asdf]

12/17/2005 10:58:06 AM

Former chief council to the NSA said yesterday that the law is ambiguous and if it were ever taken to the supreme court there's a good chance it would be ruled illegal, but he also said since the parties are usually never notified the search was performed, nobody would ever take it to court.

12/17/2005 10:58:07 AM

^^
warrantless eavesdropping = ILLEGAL


its funny you dont even have a rebuttal for that.


so what if some judge knew about it. no warrent, no approval from the proper court, not legal.



[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 11:04 AM. Reason : -]

12/17/2005 11:00:05 AM

ya know...what i want to know is who is if we are so concerned about leaks and crap (see Valary Plame or whatver her name is)...who is out there leaking national security secrets that jeoperdize our security? this was a highly classified program!!! we should let fitzgerald investigate this too

12/17/2005 11:06:19 AM

4th Amendment for any idiots claiming that this is legit.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Love my country. Fear my government. It's time to put Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld on the stand.

/real Conservative

12/17/2005 11:07:50 AM

Quote :

"Several senior government officials say that when the special operation first began, there were few controls on it and little formal oversight outside the N.S.A. The agency can choose its eavesdropping targets and does not have to seek approval from Justice Department or other Bush administration officials"

enough said

12/17/2005 11:08:14 AM

^exactly. they only need the approval of the special Surveillance Courts. Which the order from Bush said not to get.


Youre furthering my point.

[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 11:13 AM. Reason : -]

12/17/2005 11:12:43 AM

Im still outraged that someone out there is leaking national security secrets!! This person should be found!! fitzgerald should be allowed to investigate this.

12/17/2005 11:16:11 AM

Yes someone should investigate both the leak and the program.

12/17/2005 11:17:41 AM

probably

12/17/2005 11:18:40 AM

Bush approves eavesdropping on American citizens.

[link]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051217/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_nsahttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051217/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_nsa[/link]

12/17/2005 11:26:46 AM

OMFG THE NSA HAS TAPES OF YOU ALL PROVING YOU'RE GAY

[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 11:37 AM. Reason : *]

12/17/2005 11:37:37 AM

TARGET LOCKED

12/17/2005 11:53:47 AM

i knew I should have listened to salisburyboy

12/17/2005 12:39:03 PM

you know theyve been spying on salsburyboy

12/17/2005 12:48:07 PM

yeah, and that picture up there is one of the images they captured while spying on him

12/17/2005 1:05:59 PM

it's not him, you can tell because that's not a tin foil fireman's hat

12/17/2005 5:16:38 PM

this is gonna be alllllllllll over tv monday

12/18/2005 9:57:56 AM

Why isn't it on TV now then if it is so big?

12/18/2005 11:09:09 AM

^you mean why hasnt meet the press spent the whole episode on it?



























they did.

12/18/2005 11:10:01 AM

"In Soviet RussiaNeo-Con America road forks you ..."

12/18/2005 11:17:44 AM

Quote :

"you mean why hasnt meet the press spent the whole episode on it?...they did "

no..they didnt actually..i hardly saw anything about it and i was watching for it...that will probably al change mondayl

12/18/2005 12:57:21 PM

um, yes, they did

and it was all over msnbc. still is. there have been interviews, pundits, and commentary since yesterday.

12/18/2005 1:06:07 PM

nah....there was relatively little said about it...like on cnn.com right now...they are talking about Bono...you would think this would be much bigger news...

all im saying is there has not been as much about it as i thought there would be....which will probably change tomorrow

12/18/2005 1:10:59 PM

The bulk of Meet the Press, This Week, and Fox News Sunday were all discussing the wiretaps...

12/18/2005 1:31:32 PM

Quote :

"no..they didnt actually..i hardly saw anything about it"

You are officially on troll status. They talked about it for 70% of the hour.


Troll. Troll. Troll.


But hey, this is the bush strategy too. Deny reality. Even when it makes no sense to do so.


I posted the transcript, so why not go hang out with salsburyboy bc im sure its all just a big conspiracy to make you look stupid.

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 4:39 PM. Reason : -]

12/18/2005 4:29:47 PM

What is Condi trying to say?

Here, she's smack-talking FISA, saying it's not good enough, trying to explain why the Pres. had to do what he did:

Quote :

"SEC'Y RICE: Tim, the circumstances of FISA relate to rather more stable targets, people who are principally acting on behalf of governments. These are stateless networks of people who communicate and communicate in much more fluid ways and where the urgency of detecting where the importance of not letting it happen is far greater than I think anything that would have been envisioned in 1978, before we saw the twin towers and the Pentagon go down. "

Then here, she is saying it's what allowed him to do what he did:

Quote :

"SEC'Y RICE: Tim, the president has authorities under FISA, which we are using and using actively. He also has constitutional authorities that derive from his role as commander in chief and his need to protect the country. He has acted within his constitutional authority and within statutory authority."

Is that a flip-flop?

12/18/2005 8:10:24 PM

She just plain wasnt making sense. Like I said, she didnt come with the right talking points.

Obviously something is fishy.

12/18/2005 9:53:50 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10530417/

More spin...trying to cover his ass before the people get pissed enough to demand he be tried for committing felonies.

Quote :

"“It is legal to do so. I swore to uphold the laws. Legal authority is derived from the Constitution,” Bush added. "

I love how he just says "it's in the constitution" and doesn't say where. How hard would it be to say "article X, Y and Z give us authority"? Of course he can't say that because it's not true. He's just banking on dumb americans lapping it up like the rest of the shit he spews because they're too damn ignorant to know any better. 4th amendment will hold here. No doubt about it.

Quote :

"the president asked that Americans “not give up on this fight for freedom.”"

yeah, roll over and let this administration spy on you but don't give up on freedom! We won't have it here after Bush is through but maybe we can give it to the Iraqi people.

Quote :

""It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this important program in a time of war. The fact that we’re discussing this program is helping the enemy""

Yeah, we're showing the enemy that they're right about our administration. They're corrupt as hell and have no respect for freedom. Sounds very shameful to me. I'd love to know who leaked it, I'd like to shake their hand.

12/19/2005 12:42:20 PM

I think he's relegated himself to doing press conferences every half day to defend his every action. You could take all the pictures of him that go up on cnn.com's homepage every hour and make a flipbook.

[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2005 12:44:24 PM