"If its cold the Bears win...if its not too cold the Panthers win"

what a load of crap...hey where did rex grossman play college ball? it must be an artic tundra down in Gainesville...or Urlacher...yeah boy those University of New Mexico players sure are used to the snow giving Chicago an advantage...Nick Goings at Penn State...boy its pretty muggy in Pennsylvania during football season...Steve Smith and Jordan Gross played at Utah...gosh thats like 120 degree days all the time

dont buy into this cold weather crap...or if you do, maybe the Bears should hope for some good weather since the Superbowl is played indoors

1/11/2006 4:55:52 PM

i agree with this thread 10000%

analysts seem to the think the patriots were raised by polar bears

1/11/2006 4:59:31 PM

March of the Penguins is really about the Pats bowling years

1/11/2006 5:07:09 PM

The Panthers have been going to a restaurant in Charlotte and hanging out in the meat freezer for 30 minutes everyday this week... fyi

1/11/2006 5:09:01 PM

Its in the statistics.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=98&cat=1

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"One of the worst bets you can make in the NFL is to wager on a team that plays their home games either in a dome or in a warm climate when such a team has to play on the road at a northern, outdoor site from November 1st onward. These teams have had a consistently poor record, both against the spread and straight up, going back at least five years. For the purposes of this study, the following 18 teams are considered to play their home games either in a warm or mild climate or indoors: Arizona, Atlanta, Carolina, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Miami, Minnesota, New Orleans, Oakland, St. Louis, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Tampa Bay, and Tennessee. When any of these 18 teams must play on the road in November or later against one of the league’s other 14 teams — Baltimore, Buffalo, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Green Bay, Kansas City, New England, the New York Giants and Jets, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Washington — the home-field advantage becomes far more critical than in other games. Says who? Says the results of the games actually played since 1998. From November 1 of that year through the games of Week 13 of the 2003 season, the warm-weather and domed-stadium teams have played 203 games (playoff games included) at northern, outdoor sites after Halloween. Their cumulative record in those 203 games is 64-138-1 straight up (a .318 winning percentage) and 76-118-9 against the spread (for .397; in the above two calculations as well as in all those that follow, ties straight up and pushes against the spread are both figured as half a win and half a loss). But wait, it only gets more interesting. When games of this nature have been played in the late-afternoon time slot or at night, the performance of the warm-weather and indoor teams has been even worse - of the 203 games referred to above, 25 have been played in the late-afternoon time slot, not counting such games played at Denver due to the earlier local starting time there (the point being that in all other cases a significant portion of the game would be played in darkness, making the temperature colder than if the game had started earlier), and the record of the warm-weather and indoor teams in those 25 games was 7-18 straight up (.280) and 7-17-1 against the spread (.300). Another 25 of the 203 games were night games (ESPN Sunday night or ABC Monday night games, and also three playoff games the last two years), and the results of those games are similar - the warm-weather and indoor teams were 8-17 straight up (.320) and 8-15-2 against the spread (.360). Translating all this into dollars, a $100 bet placed against every warm-weather and domed-stadium team whenever they played a cold-weather game since 1998 would have yielded a net profit of $3,440 based on a 10 per cent "vig" on losing bets; and if such bets were placed only when the game was also in the late time slot (other than in Denver) or at night, the net profit would have been $1,550 from 50 $100 wagers. Don’t know about you, but I could certainly do a lot worse than that. "

1/11/2006 5:12:01 PM

i agree with your point there TreeTwista10 but i must say from the perspective of someone who has lived in new mexico that it does get quite cold in albuquerque and yes it even snows

that said, go panthers

1/11/2006 5:18:37 PM

Looks like the original poster got owned pretty hard.

Your paragraph about where players used to play (warm climates) versus where they play now is stupid. The point is if you aren't used to it you don't perform as well. My dad is a jew and keeps the heat low as hell. When I first got home on break I was always bundled up in may layers because I was so cold. By the end I was back to the normal shorts and tshirt around the house. I get back to the apt, put the heat back where it usually is, and think it is hot as hell. Of course I am slowly moving back to my preferred warmer temp setting, but it takes getting used to.

Don't be so dumb, it is hard for you to claim any experience when for you it is limited to the internet and xboxing and nothing related to actually playing outdoors.

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 5:21 PM. Reason : y]

1/11/2006 5:20:54 PM

i wasnt talking about the cold

i was talking about the rain and wind



o shit finally my name got called to go

1/11/2006 5:23:55 PM

1st of all, its not gonna be cold this weekend, at least by non-pussy standards

2nd...tell the falcons, it doesnt matter if its cold

3rd..regardless of where dudes went to school, they live and practice in chicago and become accustomed to the conditions...its not rocket science

1/11/2006 5:28:59 PM

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"its not gonna be cold this weekend, at least by non-pussy standards"

so i've heard and...

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"regardless of where dudes went to school, they live and practice in chicago and become accustomed to the conditions"

also a very good point

1/11/2006 5:31:34 PM

I heard the Eagles were gonna own us in the NFC Championship game a couple years ago since we werent used to the cold

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"For the purposes of this study, the following 18 teams are considered to play their home games either in a warm or mild climate or indoors: Arizona, Atlanta, Carolina, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Miami, Minnesota, New Orleans, Oakland, St. Louis, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Tampa Bay, and Tennessee."

ok they play in domes...but they still live in cold ass places

1/11/2006 8:13:14 PM

OMG 1 game!

THATS ALL THE PROOF I NEED!

Jesus dude, you couldn't be more wrong on this one.

1/11/2006 8:17:35 PM

its called acclimation folks,

even if you take a month off from a certain kind of weather you have to get reacclimated to it when you resume

1/11/2006 8:18:47 PM

^^you couldnt be more wrong...you think pro football players are little pussies like you? that a little cold weather is gonna fuck them up?

btw its not OMG 1 game! its 64 games according to that "article" that msb posted...cant believe he called it a study...just some gambling junkie saying the road team loses 69% of the time...that doesnt mean shit

do a "study" of teams that have home games in cold climates and play road games in warm/mild climates...the home team is gonna win >50% of the time regardless

1/11/2006 8:23:02 PM

whatever, 47 degrees is just about perfect for playing football, so the talking heads better think of something else

1/11/2006 8:23:31 PM

it doesnt matter, the high should be 40-42 on sunday in chicago anyway, which is quite warm

not sure on the wind, but its usually a mess on that section of the lake

1/11/2006 8:23:33 PM

treetwista is so incredibly wrong its comical

BUT THIS WILL NOT APPLY TO ANY GAMES BEING PLAYED THIS WEEKEND SO WHO CARES

1/11/2006 8:25:05 PM

hey how bout them giants

how am i so wrong? because in the article msb posted the warm team playing at the cold stadium loses 69% of the time? they're the fucking road team...home teams win more wherever they play...all you morons buying into this crap

plus that "study" includes the panthers 1-15 record, for example...you can manipulate numbers any way you want...but you've gotta be an idiot to think these pro athletes cant handle the cold

1/11/2006 8:27:40 PM

i didnt read the article

i dont have to, its just not that fucking hard to comprehend

if you arent used to playing in temps below freezing (which significantly alter passing games and possession) you are at a disadvantage compared to a team that is

ITS NOT THAT FUCKING COMPLICATED

1/11/2006 8:29:34 PM

theres no correlation

btw the warm climate panthers won at the cold climate giants last week

and dont give me that "it wasnt that cold" crap either...the "study" doesnt factor that in...shits biased as can be

wouldnt expect phishnlou to agree though...he's still crying to mama about the giants' pitiful performance last week

The better team usually wins the game wherever its played

1/11/2006 8:31:13 PM

I can't believe how stupid you are.

Honestly.

Its almost unfathomable that you could be this dumb.

Its not about whether the players can "handle" the cold. Its about how their style of play works better in that weather.

You think its a fucking coincidence that the 2 cold-weather teams play defensive, ball-control football? Are you a downy?

1/11/2006 8:32:16 PM

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" btw the warm climate panthers won at the cold climate giants last week"

IT WASNT COLD

i didnt read the study, i dont have to read the study, its just not that fucking complicated

1/11/2006 8:33:33 PM

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"You think its a fucking coincidence that the 2 cold-weather teams play defensive, ball-control football? Are you a downy? "

haha, very true

im sure its also purely coincidental that the big 10 has always been and will always be a ball control rushing league

1/11/2006 8:34:29 PM

Until 2 years ago I believe, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had NEVER won a game in sub-freezing weather. Another "coincidence".

1/11/2006 8:36:10 PM

^^^read the study or shut up cause you dont know shit anyway

^^^^like the Green Bay Packers and Philadelphia Eagles who primarily pass the ball?

i guess none of you fucking morons bothered to click the link that msb posted where a good 40 or 50 people asked for clarification of things...like how a number of the warm weather teams werent good in general in that time frame...and how actual temperatures are not factored in AT ALL...they simple say "teams...considered to play their home games either in a warm or mild climate or indoors"...and playing on the road against teams that are "considered to play their home games in a colder climate"

arguing on the internet in your heated apartments just because you're too much of a pussy to even go outside in 50 degree weather

Green Bay and Philly throw the ball

Tampa and Carolina run the ball

stupid stupid stupid idiots

1/11/2006 8:37:05 PM

green bay and philiadelphia are not in the playoffs

maybe they should have been more balanced

1/11/2006 8:39:25 PM

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"arguing on the internet in your heated apartments just because you're too much of a pussy to even go outside in 50 degree weather"

i live in wisconsin, so good try there

1/11/2006 8:40:09 PM

^^are they or are they not cold weather teams that predominantly throw

and how bout the bucs and panthers...their preferred M.O. is to run before they pass and they are in predominantly warm climates...oh shit i thought yall said teams in the cold run and teams in the warm pass

you see, while i debate the article and your excuses, you guys just say im dumb...boy you all sure are making good arguments with substance

plenty of people live in different climates in the off season

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"it is hard for you to claim any experience when for you it is limited to the internet and xboxing and nothing related to actually playing outdoors."

haha oh man thats a good one...you dont know shit

1/11/2006 8:40:31 PM

i mean its hardly relevant that the bucs like to run the football

what does that have to do with anything

its not like you can only run the football if you play in a cold climate

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" plenty of people live in different climates in the off season"

you mean the summer? where its just as hot if not hotter in the midwest than it is in the southeast for example

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 8:43 PM. Reason : d]

1/11/2006 8:42:55 PM

so how about the packers and eagles? is that not relevant?

or the fact that THE HOME TEAM USUALLY WINS...it doesnt make sense to you that the warm away team would usually lose at the cold home team's place because the road team usually loses anyway?

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"you mean the summer?"

yeah...24 teams' players...about 75% of the league is already in the "summer" season

1/11/2006 8:44:30 PM

to look at tampa bay for example

im sure in that stretch of decades, they beat some people on the road

id even venture to say their winning % was above 0%


but its not about stupid surveys and stats...its about using YOUR OWN brain. acclimation is not some sort of mythical concept

1/11/2006 8:46:43 PM

if you REALLY wanted to use your brain you'd know that the team that lines up, moves the ball, and tackles wins the game...or you can blame weather like a moron

or maybe you could actually read the study and see the flaws in it

1/11/2006 8:48:03 PM

i dont need to read the study

i dont care what the study says

the study doesnt matter

its just not that complicated

1/11/2006 9:06:04 PM

the only thing weather is going to affect is run/pass ratio and effectiveness...home field advantage is the reason the home team wins most of the time regardless of the weather...i cant word it any more clearly

nobody gets acclimated to -10 degree weather in short sleeves when they have HVAC and live in America

1/11/2006 11:33:49 PM

so uh...anybody wanna post in this thread or would that be too embarassing for you? after all, msb said Its in the statistics!

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"One of the worst bets you can make in the NFL is to wager on a team that plays their home games either in a dome or in a warm climate when such a team has to play on the road at a northern, outdoor site from November 1st onward. These teams have had a consistently poor record, both against the spread and straight up, going back at least five years."

oh some vegas faggot doesnt know everything! oh my what a surprise!

1/16/2006 12:55:08 PM

i think the weather may play some into it, but it isn't the only reason. Like it could be the cause for a missed kick (icy or slippery ground) or an interception or a fumble (wet slippery ball), all things that could potentially change the game.

And that article makes it sound like those teams play in the cold the majority of the time. I don't know the exact numbers, but i would imagine a good portion of those northern teams practice at an indoor facility. So that is 1 out of 6 days a week that they are playing in that weather (assuming they have 1 day off or 1 day where they don't physically practice). And even then, they don't play at home every week, and it isn't cold every week. That "study" is just horrible proof. Doesn't take into account it being cold during that time, or absolutely shitty teams that lose to everyone. At the very least they need some other data to compare it to. Maybe the home team winning % of the cold weather teams against each other during that time.

1/16/2006 1:25:02 PM

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"That "study" is just horrible proof. Doesn't take into account it being cold during that time, or absolutely shitty teams that lose to everyone"

exactly

1/16/2006 2:01:52 PM