for basketball. It is such crap that we don't play Duke twice a year anymore. Don't get me wrong, for football it is great and vaulted the ACC to the top of the BCS conferences.

However, the new basketball format is absolutely shitty. Not only is the conference not as strong from top to bottom they are ROBBING us of a true rivalry game every year. Oh, don't worry though, we'll play Boston College twice a year. That Raleigh-Boston rivalry is just as good as the Duke-State one I'm sure

It is really hitting me now how shitty this is when we have a team that could, in my mind, legitimately challenge Duke if we had them twice..

Oh well. I guess the ACC if a football conference now and money speaks louder then good basketball..

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 1:50 PM. Reason : ...]

1/16/2006 1:49:54 PM

I agree. I believe that the big 4 should always play each other twice each year.

1/16/2006 1:51:40 PM

I agree, I've hated this since the realignment was announced. They should take away 4 or 5 shitty non-conf games and let us do a round robin, play everone twice.

1/16/2006 1:53:29 PM

I would be fine with just the Big 4 playing each other twice a year. I could honestly care less about playing teams like Clemson, BC, Miami, or FSU twice since we have never had big bball rivalries with them anyway..

1/16/2006 1:54:25 PM

Andy Katz agrees

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2294159

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"NC State at Duke, Wednesday, ESPN, 7 p.m. ET: This is the only time these two teams will play in the regular season. That's the fallout from the unbalanced schedule and the determination that the Wolfpack aren't one of Duke's "primary" rivals. We wish the ACC had made the swap with Maryland for this season and given the Pack two shots at Duke."

1/16/2006 2:01:06 PM

fucking money!!!!!

1/16/2006 2:02:19 PM

playing them twice a year would put us at a disadvantage since they are always at the top of the conference. strength of schedule doesn't get looked at when determining the ACC tournament bracket.

1/16/2006 2:04:11 PM

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"That Raleigh-Boston rivalry "

does any team really have a "rivalry" with BC?

1/16/2006 2:06:02 PM

I think we were given Maryland because at the time of expansion we did have somewhat of a rivalry with them.

1/16/2006 2:08:35 PM

"we"? No.

The way it works is, every team is given two "rivals"; those are the only teams you're guaranteed to play twice. Each team then rotates through with the rest of the conference; some years you'll play them twice, some years you'll play them once.

Our two are UNC and Wake. UNC's two are us and Duke. Duke's are UNC and UMD. And so on.

1/16/2006 2:12:47 PM

its a shitty system but its done right. everybody cant be considered dukes rival. ncstates rival status with duke is FARRR away from unc and marylands and besides...playing duke twice wouldnt help ncstate at all. it would almost guarantee at least one loss to duke. playing duke once you have a chance to sweep.

i dont understand how you think a 2nd game with duke would help more than a second easy win against a lower tier acc team when it comes to contending. either way you need to win out and you have to beat duke.

1/16/2006 2:19:32 PM

The Big 4 should play each other twice a year regardless of anything else.

The fact that we end our home season with a game against Boston College is embarassing. In one sense, I'm thrilled we only play Duke once since that's one less *probable loss* in our schedule. However, if we got 'em at home this season....we could win.

1/16/2006 2:21:19 PM

I would still prefer the system that was suggested in a thread here back in the day--split into three divisions of four teams each. That way, the Big 4 could still play each other twice every year.

It would seriously unbalance the groupings north and south of NC, though.

1/16/2006 2:22:51 PM

^^^its better for the fans you fuckass

You're just mad because you know we have a damn good shot at beating them this year. This season reminds me of 2004 when we finished 2nd behind them, and we got blown out at cameron, then whipped that ass in RBC. I'm not saying its not fair the way they did it, its just so much better the way it used to be...that way both teams get a home court advantage.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2006 2:23:19 PM

Tobacco road has been the heart of the ACC forever

the 4 teams should continue to play each other

1/16/2006 2:25:20 PM

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"Tobacco road has been the heart of the ACC forever the 4 teams should continue to play each other"

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1/16/2006 2:26:15 PM

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"ncstates rival status with duke is FARRR away from unc and marylands"

that is ridiculus. the duke/umd rivalry is only about 5 yrs old. the duke/state rivalry is about 50 yrs old.

if we had to pick 2, unc and wake make sense, but i still think we should play duke twice. it makes sense.

1/16/2006 2:33:32 PM

I support this thread.

1/16/2006 2:41:52 PM

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"You're just mad because you know we have a damn good shot at beating them this year."

i think "relieved" is probably a better word

1/16/2006 2:44:24 PM

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"I believe that the big 4 should always play each other twice each year."

1/16/2006 2:44:42 PM

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"a quote"

1/16/2006 2:46:41 PM

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"Tobacco road has been the heart of the ACC forever the 4 teams should continue to play each other""

1/16/2006 3:03:00 PM

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"Tobacco road has been the heart of the ACC forever the 4 teams should continue to play each other"

How funny would it be if we started a Big Four Conference! Play each team 4 times for 12 conference games! Imagine playing UNC, Wake, Duke 2 times here in the RBC!

1/16/2006 3:09:29 PM

i had rather we play them in Reynolds

1/16/2006 3:11:26 PM

Once in each locale.

1/16/2006 3:31:55 PM

REVIVE THE DIXIE CLASSIC!

1/16/2006 4:18:06 PM

the I-40 invitational

1/16/2006 4:22:46 PM

^^^ That would be pretty sweet. I'd pay $texas to see State/Carolina in both Reynolds and Carmichael in the same season.

1/16/2006 4:24:58 PM

Why don't we take away the three point line and the shot clock too, that way it'll be just like it was.

Face it, things change, people bitch for a while and then get over it. Yes, I would like to play Duke twice, but oh well. That just means we have to whip them the one shot we get. and I think we can beat them, in Cameron. They have looked weak and beatbale at times (Damn it Clemson, make a free throw)

1/16/2006 4:34:11 PM

There have been several calls from various people/outlets suggesting that a 22-game double round robin in the ACC would be much more enjoyable than weeks and weeks of cupcakes. The argument against it is that it would reduce some teams' chances of getting in the NCAA because of a poor overall record (OMF MONEY), but it would make the conference better in both the long (better programs) and short (better rivalries/games) runs.

- Cap'n Obvious

1/16/2006 4:38:47 PM

^Play 22 conference games and get Chuck's help in scheduling cupcakes for the other games.

But come on we could play 22, and play 6, 7, 8 or however many against UNCG, UNCA, App State, and those teams.

1/16/2006 5:17:34 PM

more like

get Chuck to schedule Temple and Louisville, only to have them back out

1/16/2006 5:32:20 PM

^I know it was a joke. Temple still is worse than a 1-AA team.

But my point was why not play 22 conference games and schedule cupcakes so the teams still get their wins? You could keep the ACC/Big 10 challenge so you could have at least 1 legit non-conference opponent.

1/16/2006 5:33:56 PM

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"I agree. I believe that the big 4 should always play each other twice each year. "

DIXIE CLASSIC

1/16/2006 6:34:08 PM

could rotate locations each year

1/16/2006 6:38:18 PM

Even with the 12 team, 16 game format, there's no reason we can't play all of our rivals twice. The SEC, for example, has a very good basketball system b/c they use the 2 division format for basketball. Play your division twice (10 games) and the other division once (6 games). Even without 2 divisions, the same idea could work. However, the easiest solution would be adding a rivalry team or 2, so we could always play UNC, Duke, and Wake twice a year.

1/16/2006 7:15:40 PM

On what grounds would anyone consider Maryland to be Duke's #2 rival in the ACC?

Here's a system I thought up awhile ago

North Division
- Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Boston College

Central Division
- Wake Forest, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke

South Division
- Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Florida State

(there are no divisions when looking at conference standings, just for purposes of determining who a team plays)

Play everyone in your division twice. Play everyone not in your division once, except for people in a similar position from the year before in the other division. For example, if NC State had the best record of the 4 Central teams this year, they would play the team with the best records from the North and South divisions next year.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 7:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 7:36:30 PM

fuck this Duke/MD rivalry. Is a rivalry that started in 2000...or right around then when MD had a good team, but Duke was stacked as hell. They beat MD in some heartbreaking games for them in 2001, and MD has been pissed about it ever since. MD wins the NC a few years later, so they're the top two teams in the conference this century. This is bullshit, and now that Maryland sucks, everyone sees why. I'm really mad that they won in cameron last year because Duke overlooked them....why would they do such a thing though? Oh, because Maryland sucks and are not a natural rivalry of Duke.

1/16/2006 8:31:48 PM

maryland is by far dukes #2 rival. its not even close. wake could actually argue to be 3rd. you could even argue umd to be a more intense than unc RECENTLY IN BASKETBALL. the way it is now you will play everyone twice sometime by rotating teams you only play once. thats the fairest. it would suck to be in the conf with a team and never play them twice.

you guys are saying duke ncstate is rivalry soley because they are close and have played for 100 years

1/16/2006 8:33:16 PM

If you want to argue that only recent games should have been considered, how about taking UNC away from Duke as a rival? When the new alignments were made, Duke had completely owned UNC for about 5 years....During the time when Duke and MD were having heated battles. Thats a crock of horse shit, go away.

1/16/2006 8:43:56 PM

duke unc is obviously a lock rival considering its unanymously one of the best in all of sports while ncstate duke....um...ya. nobody outside ncstate condsiders it a big rivalry. the people running the acc know what theyre doing.

1/16/2006 9:02:13 PM

^ fine and good, but no one not living in the state of Maryland considers Maryland-Duke a big rivalry.

From the Duke students' chant sheet for the 2005 Maryland game:

Maryland likes to think they're our rival, but our rival is Carolina. Don't forget the staple chants of "Not our rival!" or "We're not rivals!"

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 9:27 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 9:25:30 PM

Flyin Ryan, love your idea. It's too bad that nobody in the conference would ever go for it - because fans would love it and it's a good idea, so why do it?

1/16/2006 9:35:22 PM

The tobacco road teams should play each other twice every year.


Plain and simple

1/16/2006 9:37:25 PM

Socrates is a royal idiot


thx


bye bye

1/16/2006 9:53:00 PM

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"DIXIE CLASSIC"

1/16/2006 9:57:20 PM

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"Here's a system I thought up awhile ago"

I like the system, and I think all the Big 4 schools would too.

But the problem is that it completely unbalances the north and south. In the north, Maryland would be able to absolutely dominate; in the south, Georgia Tech would be unrivalled. Meanwhile, the four of us in the middle, being the traditional powers, would be left to just beat the absolute crap out of each other every year.

1/16/2006 10:22:15 PM

im an idiot for the opinion i share withthe poeple that RUN THE CONFERENCE and decided that dukes primary rivals were umd and unc.

1/16/2006 10:30:38 PM

Its easy to side with the people that make the decisions, that way you're never really wrong...except this time you're just ignoring 80 or so years of basketball history to satisfy your duke hard-on.

1/16/2006 10:33:14 PM

If you think Duke's primary Rivals in the ACC are UNC and Maryland you have another thing coming.





The basis of it? Maryland and UNC were much much much better and steady programs (And national implications) than Wake or NC State when this was decided

I guarandamntee you if NC State ever breaks out of it's shell and Maryland continues its spiral, they'll change those up real quick.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 10:36 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2006 10:36:27 PM