you know, the resident expert. i know there are a few people on here. i have a few questions for you, if you would be so kind to entertain them.

i know there is an emergency vet place in raleigh, but its very pricey.

1/16/2006 7:53:57 PM

Lizzy, but she got owned by GrumpyGOP a few months back and hasn't showed her face here since... oh yeah, she got owned because she's NOT the official tdub vet.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 7:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 7:55:33 PM

OK thanks for the background, but I need to know who I should really talk to. Elise? I think maybe?

1/16/2006 8:00:42 PM

If it is an emergency take the animal in. Internet advice (even from vets) ain't going to cut it. Not being able to touch an animal negates about 90% of any advice you could receive.

1/16/2006 8:08:24 PM

well I totally understand where you are coming from, but I cant justify or afford the immediate expense if indeed my dog only has a grain of sand in her eye.

1/16/2006 8:22:17 PM

^ flush it

seriously
call your regular vet
most vets will have someone on call that checks messages left and will return your call
they cant diagnose your dog over the phone but can still help and let u know if you should definitely bring your pet into the emergency vet

the 2 emergency vets i know of (and been too) are Quail Corners and the one off of Glenwood
my cat went to both

yes its expensive to go to the emergency vet but if your beloved pet is pain and miserable i would definitly opt to go in then have him suffer until the morning just because of a fee






[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 9:27 PM. Reason : and no i'm not a vet, but i have worked in a vet hospital and have a zoo, and was pre-vet ]

1/16/2006 9:22:22 PM

shes not suffering miserably, but her eye is certianly irritated.

1/16/2006 9:31:27 PM

take a warm (not hot) wet washcloth to her eye and try holding it there and gently cleaning it
and/or flush with lukewarm water

is there discharge - if so what color is it?

swollen shut?

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 9:46 PM. Reason : b]

1/16/2006 9:45:47 PM

Try normal human tears (as in the little dry eye bottle things, not actual human tears as the moron behind me thought) and just drench her eye in them and she'll blink like mad and might dislodge anything in there. Had to do this for my dog, you might require another set of arms.

[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 9:47 PM. Reason : meh]

1/16/2006 9:46:15 PM

i'd use water first ^ the solution might irritate even further..
but i dont know

i have an eye flush for dogs here at the house for my kids

1/16/2006 10:05:39 PM

Yeah I've always been told not to use human drops on dogs because the pH of their eyes is different from ours and the human eye drops would cause cause irritation as a result.

1/16/2006 10:33:59 PM

Vet2B

1/16/2006 11:19:55 PM

Quote :

"Yeah I've always been told not to use human drops on dogs because the pH of their eyes is different from ours and the human eye drops would cause cause irritation as a result."

You can use them just fine. We use dropson our dog regularly because they get irritated from allergens and such. YOu are probably going to have to take your dog to the vet though.

1/17/2006 9:35:41 AM

i would say kittyB

1/17/2006 10:10:16 AM

i'm not a vet...i'm receptionist at a vet, i can give you some ok advice, but 75 percent of the time i ask a vet a question the answer is BRING THE ANIMAL IN! You never know exactly what is going on unless you see it, some people may describe things a little differently than someone else, and the interpretation gets all fucked up.

i think you can use saline (contact solution) to flush the eye, but don't quote me...

1/17/2006 10:48:01 PM

i work at quail ER, they always say if you're worried enough to call then you should take it in. 74 for the office visit. you could try After Hours on Vick Ave. I don't know their prices. NC State just opened up their ER service too. I don't know the number but you can call Quail and they can give it to you.

see if she will let you look in her eye for any debris.

[Edited on January 17, 2006 at 11:03 PM. Reason : N"C" not NS]

1/17/2006 11:02:28 PM

^Vick is 70 for an office vist I believe, was 60. NCSU is 80.

1/17/2006 11:07:57 PM

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"if you're worried enough to call then you should take it in."

no offense to those of you in the industry, but thats bullshit.

im a dog person, have been since i got my first as a kid and all, and i believe in animal care as opposed to "its sick, better kill it" but im tired of vets. every time my gf takes our pup in its something else, buy this, buy that. mystery mites, or invisible ear somthing. smells like bullshit to me, at this rate, and in anticipation of further canine calamity, total expense in 5 years could top 7500 and thats not counting food. news flash, its a DOG. they are animals, bred to be rough and rugged, im not taking the fucking beast to the doggie ER and paying $100 for them to tell me its dust in her eye. price gouging mother fuckers, preying on bleeding heart dog lovers everywhere. you can kiss my ass.


by the way, we took her to the vet the next morning and it was just some dust in her eye. the night before, she got used to the inital discomfort and was fine until then. which is good, so she will be used to it the next time she steps on a thorn, or gets something in her eye, so she wont get all scared like some weak ass lap dog.

oh and i made the 7500 figure up. but all the greedy vets can still kiss my ass

1/18/2006 1:34:22 AM

^i'd suggest you dont feed their greed or give them the satisfaction of stealing your money.
dont ever give them another dime, and take care of your animals yourself.
they only exist to nickle and dime you all the way to the poor house

1/18/2006 8:27:16 AM

Quote :

"no offense to those of you in the industry, but thats bullshit. im a dog person, have been since i got my first as a kid and all, and i believe in animal care as opposed to "its sick, better kill it" but im tired of vets. every time my gf takes our pup in its something else, buy this, buy that. mystery mites, or invisible ear somthing. smells like bullshit to me, at this rate, and in anticipation of further canine calamity, total expense in 5 years could top 7500 and thats not counting food. news flash, its a DOG. they are animals, bred to be rough and rugged, im not taking the fucking beast to the doggie ER and paying $100 for them to tell me its dust in her eye. price gouging mother fuckers, preying on bleeding heart dog lovers everywhere. you can kiss my ass. by the way, we took her to the vet the next morning and it was just some dust in her eye. the night before, she got used to the inital discomfort and was fine until then. which is good, so she will be used to it the next time she steps on a thorn, or gets something in her eye, so she wont get all scared like some weak ass lap dog. oh and i made the 7500 figure up. but all the greedy vets can still kiss my ass"

You, sir, are a fucking moron.

First off, did you even try flushing the eye as numerous people suggested? It is impossible for people to know how serious something is without seeing it. What does the doctor tell you if you call in and say "Yeah, I've got this problem..."? They tell you to come in because diagnosis is impossible over the phone or over the internet.

You aren't the only person who has had a dog since you were a kid. Quite frankly if you have as many day to day problems with your dogs as you indicate then I'd be inclined to say its shitty pet care on your part causing the majority of your problems. Ear problems (mites, infections, etc) are pretty much preventable with minor effort. Some breeds are more inclined and therefore require you to take the initiative unless you just want to deal with problems.

If vet bills are too expensive for you then get some fucking insurance. Vet pricing is actually incredibly low compared to human medicine despite having most of the same costs. Besides, any basic office visit is not going to run you more than $60-70 and that is still cheaper than anything I've ever seen at human doctors. Vets do have employees, rent, utilities, and equipment to pay for. Vets don't prey on anyone. Hell, they are the "bleeding heart dog lovers" and that is why they spent 8-10 years and insane amounts of money/effort dedicate their lives to animals and do what they do. You do know the standard vet makes only about $40,000 a year out of college, average $50,000 when established, and generally caps out at about $75,000 if they own their own practice and are very successful in a busy area. Of course they also proably have loans most of us can't touch (my fiancee is lucky to have had a gracious family member front her a lot but she will be on the low side od thigns with about $130,000 in loans when she graduates). It is NOT a money making venture at all.

Common sense and basic preventative care will avoid the vast majority of problems and unnecessary vet visits. Do you clean your dogs ears regularly? Brush their teeth? Feed them a healthy diet using quality food without table scraps or other human food and watching their weight? Give them heartworm, flea, and tick prevention? Give them regular baths and grooming? There is no need to go to the vet for a splinter/thorn, minor scrape/cut, and so forth. Its common sense. Letting a dog just sit through an eye irritation is wreckless and stupid. Even if it is just a little dirt in the eye there is a chance it can scratch the cornea (just like in people) so it needs to be flushed and paid attention to. If people treated their kids like they treat their dogs then they probably would notice just how poorly they care for their pets.

1/18/2006 10:45:04 AM

No, optmus is right...Too many vets are scummy. They'll know what is wrong and then run a dozen tests just to charge you more. They will try every treatment they know and when you bring it back because none of them worked they'll charge you again just to tell you that you need to take it to a specialist. They're like Meineke, but for animals.

[Edited on January 18, 2006 at 10:53 AM. Reason : s]

1/18/2006 10:50:54 AM

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"Brush their teeth?"

This is standard treatment for dogs now? I've never owned a dog myself in my adult life, but that seems like a high level of dependency.

1/18/2006 11:01:12 AM

Quote :

"No, optmus is right...Too many vets are scummy. They'll know what is wrong and then run a dozen tests just to charge you more. They will try every treatment they know and when you bring it back because none of them worked they'll charge you again just to tell you that you need to take it to a specialist. They're like Meineke, but for animals. "

You can refuse any test or treatment. Usually animal systems are very generic and can be a wide range of causes. In case you forget, a dog can't say "Yeah, it hurts right about here and it is a sharp pain, not dull or throbbing." I also feel dizzy and nauseous." A vet has to perform diagnostic tests if you want certain things ruled out, just like in human medicine. Sure there are bad vets, but being a free economy you have the ability to switch at any time with no problem. To blame vets for costs or the amount of work done is asinine.

1/18/2006 11:08:10 AM

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"being a free economy you have the ability to switch at any time with no problem after your animal dies or gets fubared."

1/18/2006 11:16:18 AM

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"This is standard treatment for dogs now? I've never owned a dog myself in my adult life, but that seems like a high level of dependency."

It doesn't have to be. Dentals are very expensive on dogs because they have to be put under full anesthesia, just like surgery, which is what makes them expensive. Brushing your dogs teeth will pretty much eliminate the need for any dentals, quite possibly ever. Also, it pretty much eliminates their "doggy breath" which is always a good thing. Its not as intensive as you think. Every night my fiancee puts a tiny amount of chicken flavored toothpaste (yum!) on a kids toothbrush and pretty much just touches the dogs teeth with it. You just have to get the enzymes on the teeth, not actually scrub them or anything. I've done it a few times and it takes like 10 seconds. Our dog has pearly white teeth with no plaque, healthy gums, no cavities or anything, and actually has clean breath (better than most of my co-workers, that is for sure).

Its not a must but considering how cheap and easy it is and that it has noticeable effect I think its smart to do. Some people just do it like one or two nights a week and they even notice the difference. If my fiancee goes out of town and I forget to do it I will notice the dog breath come back.

1/18/2006 11:17:03 AM

it seems optimus would rather take the advice of technicians and receptionists for free than pay for any expert advice

i just hope he doesnt uncover the plot about vets releasing "mystery mites" and "invisible ear somethings" to keep preying on unsuspecting pet owners, who dutifully bring their animals in, where they are charged for multiple tests, even though the vet knows all along what it is.

my advice, keep on taking the advice from receptionists and others who have never had a sniff of vet school. see where it gets you. wherever it does get you, you'll deserve every bit of it, but your animal wont

1/18/2006 11:18:01 AM

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"being a free economy you have the ability to switch at any time with no problem after your animal dies or gets fubared."

Yes, because this happens with human medicine all the time.

1/18/2006 11:19:29 AM

It's called a second opinion.

1/18/2006 12:24:14 PM

Quote :

"This is standard treatment for dogs now? I've never owned a dog myself in my adult life, but that seems like a high level of dependency."

Some dogs and cats have owners who check their blood glucose daily.

1/18/2006 5:49:43 PM

By the way, in case anyone else ends up in our situation, Vick Avenue is the most expensive I've come across- $87 for a visit. We called them about her irritated eye and all they said was to bring her in. They didn't say to try and flush it or offer any advice, they just said to bring her in. Bottom line now is that she's fine with some ointment and meds but it would've cost us at least $150 to take her to the emergency vet.

1/18/2006 5:54:55 PM

they wont diagnose and treat your animal over the phone? did you really expect them to?

1/18/2006 5:59:23 PM

The reason we do not give out information over the phone is that you can be sued for giving advice without seeing the animal. There was a vet sued for speaking to a non-client when he said "You should bring the animal in." The conversation was not documented, the non-client claimed he said it was no big deal, and there was a nice big settlement.

Thus you see the reluctance for any of us to give advice over the internet or the phone.

The bottom line is if one wants an animal but refuse to seek medical care (or believe that all medical care providers are lying thieves) then one probably shouldn't have an animal (or should go to vet school themselves).

1/18/2006 6:09:09 PM

I nominate Kitty B

and I still maintain myself as resident reptile expert

1/18/2006 6:28:13 PM

^^ I thought it was pretty much accepted that pets are considered property in NC and unless it was a racehorse or something the settlement would have been $squat.

[Edited on January 18, 2006 at 6:51 PM. Reason : s]

1/18/2006 6:47:27 PM

Quote :

"but it would've cost us at least $150 to take her to the emergency vet."

There is no need to take a dog to the ER for eye irritation.

Giving advice over the phone would be only asking for trouble. THere is so much that can be lost or confused on both sides. The way you would describe and interpret certain symptoms is completely different from what a trained professional might say or think. I see it all the time when talking with my fiancee. Plus the time it would take for the vet to get on the phone and have an exhaustive conversation to the point where some inferrence is possible is money lost for them. They have paying patients that they need to attend to and diverting attention to something that they can't properly diagnose, let alone treat, is a waste of time.

1/18/2006 9:44:17 PM

Skack- you are correct that currently they are deemed property. The suit was not in NC (I want to say CA). The other thing you look at would be skirting the edges of malpractice law which can ask for all medical expenses, legal fees, etc.

1/18/2006 9:46:51 PM

There is legislation in California and I believe Oregon being proposed to raise the malpractice damages limit on pet cases up to $300,000. So a vet that messes up and costs the life of a pet dog could end up having to pay over a quarter million dollars in damages. If this passes, expect vet bills to be even higher as their malpractice insurance approaches the cost human doctors have to pay.

1/18/2006 10:58:32 PM

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"did you even try flushing the eye as numerous people suggested?"

yes, tried being the operative word there. it led the pup to think it was okat to fub at her eye, and we all know that isnt going to help.

Quote :

"Quite frankly if you have as many day to day problems with your dogs as you indicate then I'd be inclined to say its shitty pet care on your part causing the majority of your problems. Ear problems (mites, infections, etc) are pretty much preventable with minor effort. Some breeds are more inclined and therefore require you to take the initiative unless you just want to deal with problems."

quite frankly, you know what they say about opinions. ill give yours a thought before dismissing it, which is more than it deserves.

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"If vet bills are too expensive for you then get some fucking insurance."

Our vet bills are not "too expensive". We use Banfield, visits are free.

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"There is no need to go to the vet for a splinter/thorn, minor scrape/cut, and so forth. Its common sense. Letting a dog just sit through an eye irritation is wreckless and stupid. Even if it is just a little dirt in the eye there is a chance it can scratch the cornea (just like in people) so it needs to be flushed and paid attention to. If people treated their kids like they treat their dogs then they probably would notice just how poorly they care for their pets."

And some people say the cucumber tastes better pickled?

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"it seems optimus would rather take the advice of technicians and receptionists for free than pay for any expert advice"

No, youve misunderstood. Heres the scenario: I have owned, or shared ownership with about 5 dogs in the past 15 years. The first, a cocker, lived a nice long life and passed away a couple years ago, 3 are family pets (yellow lab, beagle, jack russel) and reside with my parents, and the latest is out (currently) 6mo old beagle. My gf has basically zero dog ownership experience. In 15 years not once can I remember one of my dogs getting something in their eye like this, so I was hesitant to be certian that it wasnt something serious. Of course we are concerned for our dog, so the gf calls the ERv. We get the cold shoulder, when a few minutes and some general advising could have both eased our queries and landed them a future customer. This is where I got pissed.

I knew it was likely a non-emergency, and so did the fucking bitch on the other end of the line, yet she would rather have me come pay $87 god damn dollars. IF you think thats right, and the proper way for any small business to operate, then you are clueless. Yes, vet offices are small businesses, except chains like Banfield and guess what? When I call up Banfeild and ask to speak to a vet they actually let me speak to a vet. (they were closed when the eye irritation appeared)

Quote :

"i just hope he doesnt uncover the plot about vets releasing "mystery mites" and "invisible ear somethings" to keep preying on unsuspecting pet owners, who dutifully bring their animals in, where they are charged for multiple tests, even though the vet knows all along what it is."

Im sorry that my impression of one of the vets I have visited has offended you. I could either relate my personal experiences and ask you to try to understand, or I skip that shit and tell you to fuck off. Go ahead and fuck off.

Quote :

"my advice, keep on taking the advice from receptionists and others who have never had a sniff of vet school. see where it gets you. wherever it does get you, you'll deserve every bit of it, but your animal wont"

At this time I do not need any advice from you. Actually, I will never need any advice from you. If the fact that I am savvy to the ERv racket, and smart enough not to run down there at the slightest eye irration is enough for you to judge me, youve really shown your worth.

Quote :

"The reason we do not give out information over the phone is that you can be sued for giving advice without seeing the animal. There was a vet sued for speaking to a non-client when he said "You should bring the animal in." The conversation was not documented, the non-client claimed he said it was no big deal, and there was a nice big settlement. Thus you see the reluctance for any of us to give advice over the internet or the phone. "

So, we were given the cold shoulder routine so that we couldnt sue the ERv for what? An eyeball? To sum up my response to your comment, thanks for something relevant for once, but thats bullshit. Go back and re-read this entire post if you want to know why.

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"There is no need to take a dog to the ER for eye irritation. "

This is all I needed to know, and the reason for creating this thread. If we had gotten this confirmation upon our inital phone call, everything would have been cool.

Quote :

"Giving advice over the phone would be only asking for trouble. THere is so much that can be lost or confused on both sides. The way you would describe and interpret certain symptoms is completely different from what a trained professional might say or think. I see it all the time when talking with my fiancee. Plus the time it would take for the vet to get on the phone and have an exhaustive conversation to the point where some inferrence is possible is money lost for them. They have paying patients that they need to attend to and diverting attention to something that they can't properly diagnose, let alone treat, is a waste of time."

I whole heartedly understand this sentiment, as I have been in one service related industry or another since 1998. However there are times when it actually pays to let a customer/client or even a potential customer/client "pick your brain". You may not reap the benefits of that today, or tomorrow but even months later when someone comes back to you and says how your advice helped them you realize its worthwhile. That is, unless you are a bitch ass money-hungry veternarian.

Quote :

"you are correct that currently they are deemed property. The suit was not in NC (I want to say CA). The other thing you look at would be skirting the edges of malpractice law which can ask for all medical expenses, legal fees, etc."

get that irrelevant shit out of here man.

1/18/2006 11:01:30 PM

my opinion (for future reference, since this thread is old now)- if the animal appears that she can wait until morning, do so. save yourself the stress and money of an emergency call for something simple like a corneal abbrasion (which needs to be treated, but is not am emergency). plently of people have already stated the obvious advice- try to gently flush the eye with distilled or spring water.

when i worked at the emergency veterinary hospital in charlotte, we would NOT demand every person who called to come in. we left that up to them. any responsible veterinary clinic will ask for details on the symptoms, possible exposure to toxins or injuries, and recommend to come in or wait (based on the information they are given).

[Edited on January 18, 2006 at 11:09 PM. Reason : btw, this isn't to criticize anyone. just putting in my frugal two cents, since my name got dropped]

1/18/2006 11:07:09 PM

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"but im tired of vets"

i thought you had a personal experience w/ one vet?

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"Im sorry that my impression of one of the vets I have visited has offended you. I could either relate my personal experiences and ask you to try to understand, or I skip that shit and tell you to fuck off. Go ahead and fuck off."

where is the mystery in the mites? have you seen bacteria or yeast visible to the naked eye?
your ignorance is rather astounding. smells like bullshit? learn something about your animals. mites are common. you have them in your eyelashes. bacteria and yeast are ubiquitous. they infect ears. and vets cant "make" you buy anything. they cant make you do anything either. they make recommendations, so it sounds like you've been falling for the "bullshit" and you're just bitter.

i'm clueless about small business? Should these emergency vets engage in dangerous behavior by characterizing/diagnosing health situations over the phone for free? should they risk their professional livelihood AND receive no compensation for their expertise at the same time.

the truth is they had no way in knowing what was going on with your dogs eye w/o seeing it, but you wanted them to, and tell you for free.

but hey, you can ignore all of the above if you will let me in on your info regarding the racket. i'm kind of curious what you have

1/18/2006 11:26:54 PM

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"yes, tried being the operative word there. it led the pup to think it was okat to fub at her eye, and we all know that isnt going to help."

Fub? Must be a technical term. Either way the flushing is not meant to remedythe situation just possibly remove an irritant at an earlier stage. There is a good chance the dog develops an ulcerated cornea which is shy a trip to the vet is important. Doing nothing and letting the dog tough it out is exactly where this situation becomes worse.
http://www.thepetcenter.com/gen/cu.html

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"quite frankly, you know what they say about opinions. ill give yours a thought before dismissing it, which is more than it deserves."

Where there is smoke, there is fire. If your dogs show repeated problems relating to maintenance or easily (and cheaply) treated symptoms then the onus lies on you. Not everyone is fit to be a good pet owner.

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"Our vet bills are not "too expensive". We use Banfield, visits are free."

#1 If visits are free then shut the fuck up about prices.
#2 Banfield sucks ass. They are a corporate and do not represent veterinarians in general. Find a real vet.

Quote :

"And some people say the cucumber tastes better pickled?"

Ignorance is bliss. Negligence is criminal.

Quote :

"No, youve misunderstood. Heres the scenario: I have owned, or shared ownership with about 5 dogs in the past 15 years. The first, a cocker, lived a nice long life and passed away a couple years ago, 3 are family pets (yellow lab, beagle, jack russel) and reside with my parents, and the latest is out (currently) 6mo old beagle. My gf has basically zero dog ownership experience. In 15 years not once can I remember one of my dogs getting something in their eye like this, so I was hesitant to be certian that it wasnt something serious. Of course we are concerned for our dog, so the gf calls the ERv. We get the cold shoulder, when a few minutes and some general advising could have both eased our queries and landed them a future customer. This is where I got pissed. I knew it was likely a non-emergency, and so did the fucking bitch on the other end of the line, yet she would rather have me come pay $87 god damn dollars. IF you think thats right, and the proper way for any small business to operate, then you are clueless. Yes, vet offices are small businesses, except chains like Banfield and guess what? When I call up Banfeild and ask to speak to a vet they actually let me speak to a vet. (they were closed when the eye irritation appeared)"

Newsflash: Eye irritation is not an emergency. Do you call up the ER and ask what to do if your eye is irritate? I'm guessing not. And if you did they would say "Come in if it is a problem. We can't help you over the phone." Honestly $87 for an ER visit is nothing. If you think a viable medical facility can operate on discount pricing then you are the clueless one. ERs have their hands busy with real emergencies, like last night my fiancee was on emergency surgery rotation and a dog comes in with a fractured skull: one eye was sunk in its head the other bulging outward (these are the kind of eye irritations they get); the front of the dog's head is swellling with every breath because its sinus has ruptured and is literally inflating the forehead. This is what ER's are for unless you have money and are anal about you pets. No one is going to stop you from coming in because they can't (and shouldn't) make a judgement on a condition based on an untrained observation told over the phone.

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"Im sorry that my impression of one of the vets I have visited has offended you. I could either relate my personal experiences and ask you to try to understand, or I skip that shit and tell you to fuck off. Go ahead and fuck off."

Im sorry that your understanding of veterinary medicine is completely lacking and calling you out for it has offended you. I could either relay personal experiences and first hand knowledge and ask you to try to understand or I skip that shit and tell you to fuck off. I already went with the former so go ahead and fuck off.

Quote :

"At this time I do not need any advice from you. Actually, I will never need any advice from you. If the fact that I am savvy to the ERv racket, and smart enough not to run down there at the slightest eye irration is enough for you to judge me, youve really shown your worth."

You did need advice and you you still need advice based on your ill-formed opinions presented so far. Everyone told you to take him to your regular vet or to go to an ER or late-night vet if it was that pressing to you (a personal choice).

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"So, we were given the cold shoulder routine so that we couldnt sue the ERv for what? An eyeball? To sum up my response to your comment, thanks for something relevant for once, but thats bullshit. Go back and re-read this entire post if you want to know why."

Eye irritation is not worth the time of an ER. Any vet offering medical advice without knowing just what you are talking about is only asking for trouble, and yes that includes potential lawsuit or at least bad publicity because the owner raises hell saying they were told something wrong. Again, no doctor is going to give any medical advice to a patient that they know nothing about. Its negligent. You seem to think Veterinary Medicine is like Home PC repair or something.

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"This is all I needed to know, and the reason for creating this thread. If we had gotten this confirmation upon our inital phone call, everything would have been cool."

If you are calling an ER with an eye problem then they have justifiable cause to think its something more than just a little dirt in the eye. Doctors working at an ER have far more to do than waste time on the phone any time someone calls about eye irritation (again, you wouldn't call an ER doctor if you were just feeling a little sick and expect attention).

Quote :

"I whole heartedly understand this sentiment, as I have been in one service related industry or another since 1998. However there are times when it actually pays to let a customer/client or even a potential customer/client "pick your brain". You may not reap the benefits of that today, or tomorrow but even months later when someone comes back to you and says how your advice helped them you realize its worthwhile. That is, unless you are a bitch ass money-hungry veternarian. "

First off, a bitch ass money-hungry veterinarian is going to charge a lot more than $87 for an "emergency" visit. Secondly, ERs don't really have "customers"... you either need them or you don't. As I already said, they have their hands full with dogs and cats in critical condition at all hours of the night so they don't have time for you to "pick their brain" over the phone so you can decide if you want to spend $80 now or wait til the morning and save a few bucks. If you think your pet might be in a serious condition or you simply don't care about cost and want attention at any cost then feel free to go to the ER and be seen. Quite honestly, you come across as a mother bitching at a Hospital Emergency Room downtown because the doctors are too preoccupied with stabbings and heart failures to answer questions about her son's upset stomach.

1/19/2006 12:58:29 AM

Gypsy

1/19/2006 1:37:43 AM

Wow, nice crusade you are on here. Way to waste your time further responding when you could be elsewhere preparing yourself to be a sucessful vet by honig your obviously poor critical thinking, observation, and communication skills. I do appreciate the little help you gave me, have a nice day.

Quote :

"Fub? Must be a technical term."

I got this far into your respose and stopped reading it. Nothing you say at this point could be taken seriously.

Ok, I lied, I read a little more:

Quote :

"...which is shy a trip to the vet is important."

shy? Must be a vet word.
















Excuse me now I have to go neglect my dog!

1/19/2006 6:53:16 PM

when my cats eye is fucked up just leave him alone

he takes care of it

and hes fine the next day

1/19/2006 6:56:32 PM