Quote :

""Purported bin Laden tape: 'It's only a question of time' Voice warns Americans of impending attacks, offers truce An audiotaped message purported to be from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden warns the American people that plans for terror attacks in the United States are under way. "I would also like to say that the war against America and its allies will not be confined to Iraq," the voice said, adding that "Iraq has become a magnet for attracting and training talented fighters. "Our mujahedeen were able to overcome all the security measures in European countries, and you saw their operation in major European capitals. "As for similar operations taking place in America, it's only a matter of time. They are in the planning stages, and you will see them in the heart of your land as soon as the planning is complete," the voice on the tape said. The message also offered a truce. "It is obvious now that Bush has been misleading the people. It is better for you not to fight the Muslims on their territory and we offer a long-term truce. "We are a nation that will not stab people in the back. We would like to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. There is nothing wrong in this approach. We are aware that the warmongers are against this option," the voice said... "

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html

Does anyone think a truce is actually an option with al qaeda at this point?

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 12:13 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2006 12:10:09 PM

does anyone really think bin laden makes these tapes?

1/19/2006 12:15:00 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=380774

1/19/2006 12:15:07 PM

ya'll need to cop the WE GOT IT FOR CHEAP VOL II MIXTAPE

1/19/2006 12:15:53 PM

descriptive title there

1/19/2006 12:16:07 PM

HAHAHA

Clearly Bin Laden is feels like his side is about to go down. He's trying to offer a truce... now is the time to ramp up our war on terror and go in for the kill.

1/19/2006 12:18:32 PM

THEATRE

you really believe this crap?

1/19/2006 12:22:38 PM

Hypothetically speaking: Is it possible that the terrorist community in the Middle East could exhaust their supply of suicide bombers?

1/19/2006 12:27:58 PM

is there any condition under which the US would accept this? (like turning himself and other leaders in, or offer reperations ect)

1/19/2006 12:33:22 PM

we're more interested in "winning" a war we started, rather than even considering a truce w/ anyone.

that is, if the tape is even authentic.

there won't be any truce. the "win" rhetoric is what's more important.

WE'RE AMERICA, PEOPLE

1/19/2006 12:35:05 PM

^exactly
the whole notion of "not negotiating with terrorists" will be all out the window
and as letigious as our nation is now
you'll have lawsuits after lawsuits of people suing the gov't for not negotiating in other situations

and like i said in the other thread

Quote :

"we won't even give up like 6 female prisoners to save the life of some woman"

1/19/2006 12:36:59 PM

Quote :

"Hypothetically speaking: Is it possible that the terrorist community in the Middle East could exhaust their supply of suicide bombers? "

only if we stopped killing men in front of their children

1/19/2006 12:39:11 PM

i was hoping this was going to be a bin Laden sex tape

1/19/2006 12:42:33 PM

Lest we forget the previous phony "bin laden" tapes...

BBC: "Bin Laden tape 'not genuine'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2526309.stm

Here is a CNN article referring to a Dec. 2001 video tape that supposedly shows bin Laden taking credit for the 9/11 attacks:

CNN: "Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/

Now, take a close look at picture of the man from that tape that is purportedly the real Osama bin Laden.

Here is a comparison of the photo of the man from that video tape and a photo of the real Osama bin Laden:



The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

The Fake bin Laden Audio Tape
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_audio.html

Is the 2004 Bin Laden Video Tape A Fraud?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:11 PM. Reason : `]

1/19/2006 12:56:03 PM

imagine that
a diabetic who hasn't had constant access to medical care and treatment possibly having a long-term change in his appearance

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF

1/19/2006 1:02:32 PM

hahaha

the lengths you people will go to

to "rationalize" that the government fairy tale is true

you're in denial

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : `]

1/19/2006 1:06:27 PM

seriously, i don't want to agree with salisburyboy, but osama's dead. has been for years.

1/19/2006 1:08:07 PM

hell i can post a picture of me from 18 months ago where my face looks tremendously different because of different weights

the lengths you people will go to rationalize your absurdity

1/19/2006 1:10:18 PM

Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

FBI: "Bin Laden 'probably' dead"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2135473.stm

WorldTribune: "Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen"
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html

Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/18/gen.musharraf.binladen/

Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden's will
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/26/binladen.will/

Karzai: bin Laden 'probably' dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/06/karzai.binladen/

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 1:14 PM. Reason : `]

1/19/2006 1:13:45 PM

that dude is straight up black

1/19/2006 1:14:14 PM

marko deserves a medal.

1/19/2006 1:16:02 PM

Quote :

"We do not negotiate with terrorists," McClellan said. "We put them out of business."

LET'S ROLL!


CIA says it's him http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_bin_laden

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : GO TEAM]

1/19/2006 2:50:46 PM

AND THEN

GOD SORTS THE BODIES

OR SOMETHING

1/19/2006 2:58:55 PM

Well a truce perhaps is too strong a word, even when i included possible reparations and some of the worst leaders turning themselves in.

Perhaps I should have asked if in what we are calling a war, if surrender of the enemy will be allowed, or if it must be the total annihilation of our enemies.

My first formulation of a truce seemed to evoke ideas that this is a holy war, with American rhetoric being our god. But is their any acceptable surrender?

It seems there’s a conflict between calling this a war, and calling this terrorism, since presumably an enemy in a warrior can surrender, but a terrorist cannot be negotiated with.

--

Note I'm not advocating either option (allowing surrender aka negotiation, or not allowing surrender of a defeated enemy aka total annihilation), just pointing out that we are calling it two different things (war & terrorism) and our hard and fast accepted principles for dealing with these different situations seem to be conflicting in a way that a truce or surrender bring to the foreground in a way that cannot be ignored and need to be resolved.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 3:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2006 3:14:46 PM

I don't buy this shit for a second. These people hate the US and are not afriad to die in order to show that hate. Why would you negotiate with someone you hate? This has been concocted by the spinmasters up in Washington, to make it look like the "war on terror" is actually working.

1/19/2006 3:36:40 PM

thats a reasonable question of a factual claim... but i would like to hear how we would address the hypothetical situation of surrender, and how we'd resolve our principles that apply to war with our principles that apply to terrorism.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2006 3:38:48 PM

"Surrender" would entail large numbers of upper-level al Qaeda members being placed under arrest and prosecuted, which is quite simple.

1/19/2006 3:57:04 PM

and coming to such terms of surrender would require negotiation... unless we just throw out an ultimatum and hope its to their liking.

1/19/2006 4:29:19 PM

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the concept of unconditional surrender.

All they have to do is come to us with their hands in the air and no explosives on their backs and say, "We give up." Then, bam. Conflict over.

This deal bin Laden is talking about would never happen. The only peace we will accept is their unconditional surrender.

1/19/2006 4:33:54 PM

i think its just a ploy

to get people to be like "you could have ended this, and yet you want to keep fighting this unjust war?"

since, you know...obl is in the democrats pocket

right?

1/19/2006 4:41:49 PM

I agree that its a public image ploy, and that they wouldn't accept any conditions we considered reasonable.

"Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the concept of unconditional surrender."

Thus far no one had mentioned unconditional surrender, and I am already familiar with the concept. But I think an unconditional end to a terrorism conflict, and an unconditional end to war type conflict might come to different things.

"The only peace we will accept is their unconditional surrender."

This is the kind of answer I was looking for, when combined with your statement of "upper-level al Qaeda members being placed under arrest and prosecuted "in its implications that we are treating this more like a war. We'll let the tape makers, lower level bureaucracy, and maybe small arms dealers off instead of annihilating all the terrorists.

1/19/2006 5:00:21 PM