until i rode in one the other day....pretty nice for a luxuary model.

1/24/2006 3:46:29 AM

they make heavy equipment, too

1/24/2006 8:11:04 AM

pretty nice for a luxuary model.

-ZiP!-

1/24/2006 8:53:44 AM

Fuji makes your STI

1/24/2006 9:48:01 AM

Another quality thread by Golovko.

1/24/2006 10:29:35 AM

hahahahaha, ronny got suspended....fag

1/24/2006 2:12:20 PM

so did baonest

1/24/2006 4:36:43 PM

for what?

1/24/2006 5:21:31 PM

Saw a Chery today on the road.

First Chinese car I have seen.

China is going to export them to the US soon.

1/24/2006 7:11:15 PM

Quote :

"hahahahaha, ronny got suspended....fag"

Good one. You just pwnt the shit out of me.

1/24/2006 7:31:42 PM

^^Heard about their plans to come to the US. Malcolm Bricklin is behind the effort (remember the Yugo? Bringing that over was his idea too.) What I find funny is that, in China, they were recently sued (successfully, I think) by GM. GM called them out because their Chery QQ was basically a carbon copy of the Chevy Spark; Chery basically reverse-engineered the Spark and then (I would assume) changed the styling somewhat. I'm assuming that one won't be coming over here..

1/24/2006 7:46:30 PM

china is actually going to have to come up with something original to come to the usa

everything they do is copies over there

that shit wont fly when they hit the us shores

1/24/2006 8:20:45 PM

Malcolm Bricklin? One more failed endeavor and he'll have a hat trick.

1/24/2006 11:23:06 PM

If those Chinese cars are cheap enough, they'll sell. it will be interesting to see how they hold up

1/25/2006 8:40:08 AM

the new kia

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 9:16 AM. Reason : or daewoo]

1/25/2006 9:15:59 AM

^^ very true. Wal-mart car lots any one?

There are a bunch of articles out there on safety (or lack of). Many of the cars companies like Geely, Cherry, etc plan on bringing over don't pass basic crash tests.

This Rodeo knockoff gets a Zero on the TUV 40mph frontal crash test...
http://paultan.org/archives/2005/10/07/jiangling-landwind-x6-crash-test-outside-view/
http://paultan.org/archives/2005/10/07/jiangling-landwind-x6-crash-test-passenger-cabin/

Legs? Who needs legs when you can buy another chinese suv for $14k?

But if they learn from their mistakes early on they'll be up there with the other asian car makers in no time.

-- Dave

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 9:19 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2006 9:18:56 AM

they just have to make sure that their quaility control procedure is up to date. When Japanese cars first came out, there reliability was crap. Then in the 70's-80's, Japan started to implement quality contol throughout the process of manufacturing. Took America by suprise. A decade or two later and US is still lagging behind, but they are closing the gap.

1/25/2006 9:33:03 AM

China is investing heavily in R&D.

They'll be fine in the next two decades.

First models are probably going to be shit all around but they'll catch on.

Sucks for GM though.

1/25/2006 9:41:27 AM

china's main (only) resource is cheap man power. they just copy things, make them poorly (read: old technology), and just sell them ultra cheap. it takes them years to reverse engineer something into even working, then it takes them another few years to make it an actual substitute good instead of an inferior one. by that time, in a market heavily influenced by technology, they're a generation behind and the cycle starts again. they just take over making the cheap (older) stuff.

1/25/2006 10:28:54 AM

like a pinto...

1/25/2006 10:39:43 AM

its funny, cause most everyone in this thread is in denial about China's capabilities.

1/25/2006 11:15:35 AM

^thats right, We'll stick with daewoo's and kia's. Although daewoo dont make cars anymore. I guess that whole thing about the electrical shortage that causes engine fires wasn't as popular of a feature for their cars.

But seriously, if china steps up to the plate to manufacturing cars for the US, they will prolly flood the market.

1/25/2006 12:55:02 PM

^^no one is in denial about their capabilities, everyone knows they are the manufacturing giant that we were 100 years ago.

Everyone that thinks China is going to turn from manufacturing giant to industrial wondercountry overnight is retarded. Their educational infrastructure is still lightyears behind the other major powers, as is their industrial culture. Not to mention their design culture.

1/25/2006 12:59:57 PM

Speaking of crash tests- have they gotten to the point of passing the gov't tests to allow them to be sold in the US? Also, when are the first ones supposed to be on the market?

1/25/2006 1:56:50 PM

I was talking about Geely, which will be here 2008 and will sell for less than $10,000.

1/25/2006 3:23:07 PM

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"Although daewoo dont make cars anymore"

GMDaewoo.

still produces cars. it's still a Daewoo in korea.

Samsung produces the SM5 which is an old nissan maxima. it's crazy. fleet cars.

they also had a Acura Legend, but I think they stopped selling those. i wanted one.

1/25/2006 4:28:01 PM

^^ what size, etc... will this Geely car be? will there be more than one model?

1/25/2006 6:17:41 PM

^yes, there will be compact, sedans, pick-up (i think)

1/25/2006 9:39:32 PM

^^^ I meant for the US markets. I think 2002 was the last year or was it 2004, can't remember

1/25/2006 10:04:07 PM

they still do, just under different badges, suzuki for one.

1/27/2006 8:06:23 PM

Visionary Vehicles outlines plan to undercut luxury carmakers

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"Visionary Vehicles — the U.S. wing of the Chinese automaker also known as Chery — has released sketches of its forthcoming crossover and sedan. VV is being imported to North America by U.S. businessman Malcolm Bricklin. Recently, Bricklin said his company had changed its plan from importing ultra-low-cost vehicles, to instead offering Chinese luxury cars at prices much lower than their Japanese and European competitors. The vehicles will include: a four-door sedan aimed at the Audi A4, Mercedes C320, and Volvo S60, for a price of $19,000; A two-door coupe aimed at the Mercedes CLK 320 and BMW 330Ci for $25,000; A SUV aimed at the BMW X3, MB M320, and Lexus RX330 for $19,000; A crossover with a V6 engine for $19,000, and a retractable hardtop convertible (shown in April) designed with Pininfarina aimed at the Mercedes SLK (which starts at $47,000) for $19,000."

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

2/2/2006 6:14:50 PM

I would say it is an improvement on the 5-series! (except for the divided front grill)

2007 Zhonghua Jinjue: China's BMW?

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"China Brilliance has unveiled the first vehicle that will be built at its new car plant in Zhonghua, which was set up with the help of BMW. The Zhonghua Jinjue was designed by Pininfarina in Italy, and is positioned as a sporty midsize sedan. It's no secret Chinese automakers are becoming interested in the luxury segment, and while no plans for U.S. availability have been announced, we wouldn't be surprised if it happened one day."

[Edited on February 22, 2006 at 3:03 PM. Reason : ]

2/22/2006 3:01:46 PM

Quote :

"china's main (only) resource is cheap man power. they just copy things, make them poorly (read: old technology), and just sell them ultra cheap. it takes them years to reverse engineer something into even working, then it takes them another few years to make it an actual substitute good instead of an inferior one. by that time, in a market heavily influenced by technology, they're a generation behind and the cycle starts again. they just take over making the cheap (older) stuff."

That pretty much describes Japan in the early days of its auto industry. Ever seen the early Datsun 1600 roadsters? They're a blatant ripoff of British sports cars. It wasn't until the late 60s and early 70s that Japan had anything worthwhile.

2/22/2006 3:16:19 PM

^^The love child of the current 5-series and new Civic sedan?

With a Rover/MG grille for added confusion.

[Edited on February 22, 2006 at 3:17 PM. Reason : d]

2/22/2006 3:17:16 PM

I like the 5series styling more than that chinese one

and that one sketch looks a little too close to a scion tc

2/22/2006 3:21:16 PM

There is something about me that really fuckin detests the way the Chinese copy everything.

2/22/2006 3:43:35 PM

Quote :

"china's main (only) resource is cheap man power. they just copy things, make them poorly (read: old technology), and just sell them ultra cheap. it takes them years to reverse engineer something into even working, then it takes them another few years to make it an actual substitute good instead of an inferior one. by that time, in a market heavily influenced by technology, they're a generation behind and the cycle starts again. they just take over making the cheap (older) stuff. "

wrong

they also have pretty much taken over the steel business as well.

what are the main problems with gm/ford besides building undesirable cars?
health care for its union workers
part suppliers
steel
manpower costs.

2/22/2006 3:57:25 PM