Amsterdam718 All American 15134 Posts user info edit post |
http://meetvernon.blogspot.com/
meet vernon Vernon is set to be executed during the week of February 6, 2006.VERNON DOES NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS. If you send questions to the email adddress MeetVernon@GMail.com, I will print and mail your questions to Vernon 1/29/2006 12:07:38 PM |
Wolfpacker06 Suspended 5482 Posts user info edit post |
damn. that's tough. I sent him a comment telling him to be strong and he's in my prayers. I really hate what our "justice" system does to marginalized people of our society. It's criminal in and of itself. 1/29/2006 12:36:05 PM |
bethaleigh All American 18902 Posts user info edit post |
He agreed with a drug dealer to kill a man and his wife! Death penalty is definitely "justice". 1/29/2006 1:37:07 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
let him fry on earth and burn in hell 1/29/2006 1:40:32 PM |
ActOfGod All American 6889 Posts user info edit post |
damn hippies
EYE FOR AN EYE
why should my taxes go to feed and clothe and give medical care for someone who has proven he shouldn't be part of normal, free society? 1/29/2006 2:22:39 PM |
Protostar All American 3495 Posts user info edit post |
Abolish the death penalty, HARD LABOR FOR LIFE!! 1/29/2006 2:28:48 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "why should my taxes go to feed and clothe and give medical care for someone who has proven he shouldn't be part of normal, free society? " |
haha, you're a moron 1/29/2006 2:39:57 PM |
Lil Pig All American 4352 Posts user info edit post |
^I second that. 1/29/2006 3:33:10 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41753 Posts user info edit post |
I support the death penalty, I do not support how it is applied.
One one hand the cases of prosecutorial misconduct and the studies that show how the system is racially and economically biased are disturbing. On the other hand if someone murdered one of my family members or friends I would want to see them suffer the same fate. 1/29/2006 3:42:16 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "why should my taxes go to feed and clothe and give medical care for someone who has proven he shouldn't be part of normal, free society?" |
Hey idiot...it costs more to put someone down than it does to keep them in jail for life.1/29/2006 3:52:47 PM |
ambrosia1231 eeeeeeeeeevil 76471 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Hey idiot...it costs more to put someone down than it does to keep them in jail for life." |
tell me i'm hallucinating and did not really read that.1/29/2006 3:57:50 PM |
skewfield All American 12616 Posts user info edit post |
i'm hallucinating and i read it too 1/29/2006 3:59:25 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
YOU PEOPLE should take up reading
THIS: Quote : | "it costs more to put someone down than it does to keep them in jail for life. " |
is a well known fact. look into it
[Edited on January 29, 2006 at 4:04 PM. Reason : ./]1/29/2006 4:03:04 PM |
Reachcontrol Veteran 377 Posts user info edit post |
please excuse, but how does killing a person cost more than letting them live?
few bullets and a days pay for a firing squad seems pretty cheap to me
oooooohhhhh shit, not PC, too fucking bad
seriously though, where is this info, I'd like to read it
[Edited on January 29, 2006 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .] 1/29/2006 4:07:47 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
this isnt the soapbox so im not going to take the time to write a bunch of shit you can google for yourself. hell, just go into the soapbox and read the 234982 discussions in there.
plus im watching the bball game. 1/29/2006 4:09:37 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Do your own research...but it's extremely well documented that it costs a lot more to put someone down than to keep them in prison for life.
It has a lot to do with appeals and the fact that it just costs a lot more to try a capital punishment case.
But seriously...do you think the verdict comes in and they take him out the back and shoot them?? Lots of people die before they are even put to death.
Just more examples of people not knowing what the fuck they are talking about.
[Edited on January 29, 2006 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .] 1/29/2006 4:34:26 PM |
Amsterdam718 All American 15134 Posts user info edit post |
just send the guy some encouragement or a RIP note. 1/29/2006 4:36:15 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
some of y'all need to learn how to read before you start stating his guilt.
Quote : | "CRIME Vernon was convicted of killing David Scott Piechowicz and Susan Kennedy. It was a heinous crime. I welcome members of their families to post here or anywhere they feel comfortable about the impact that this horrible and violent loss has had on their family and loved ones. During the trial, the state put on an impressive case against Vernon and convinced the jury of his guilt. Vernon's state appointed attorney did not put on any witnesses. Vernon maintains his innocence in the crime.
NEW EVIDENCE There was only one eye witness to the crime. Vernon's original attorney never brought her to the stand. He said 'she slipped through the cracks.' This witness told police that the shooter she saw was of average height. Vernon stands at 5'2". His nickname is 'Shorty.' Years after Vernon's trial, when the witness was finally shown Vernon in person, she said that he was not the man she saw shoot Susan Kennedy and David Scott Pierchowicz. There are store surveillance tapes that show her watching the killings.
MARYLAND'S DEATH ROW The University of Maryland Paternoster study showed that there is significant racial and geographic bias in Maryland's death penalty system. Specifically, you are far more likely to be executed if you kill a white person than if you kill a black person, and you are far more likely to be executed if a crime takes place in Baltimore County rather than anywhere else in Maryland. The study showed there is not a significant bias in terms of the race of the convicted person. The study was commissioned by then Maryland Governor Glendenning and cost the state of Maryland $225,000. Prosecutors helped shape the study and its results take all case differences, such as the severity of each crime and population, into account. You can find a brief summary of the study here. Vernon's recent stay was directly related to this study" |
1/29/2006 4:51:57 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " tell me i'm hallucinating and did not really read that." |
Because I know a lot of you people are dumb and lazy...I took 5 minutes out of my day to look up a few articles.
Here is a link with information on the costs of the death penalty:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7
And here is the first big passage that comes up.
Quote : | "A New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that the state's death penalty has cost taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. The study examined the costs of death penalty cases to prosecutor offices, public defender offices, courts, and correctional facilities. The report's authors said that the cost estimate is "very conservative" because other significant costs uniquely associated with the death penalty were not available. "From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded. Since 1982, there have been 197 capital trials in New Jersey and 60 death sentences, of which 50 were reversed. There have been no executions, and 10 men are housed on the state's death row. Michael Murphy, former Morris County prosecutor, remarked: "If you were to ask me how $11 million a year could best protect the people of New Jersey, I would tell you by giving the law enforcement community more resources. I'm not interested in hypotheticals or abstractions, I want the tools for law enforcement to do their job, and $11 million can buy a lot of tools." (See Newsday, Nov. 21, 2005; also Press Release, New Jerseyans for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, Nov. 21, 2005)." | http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7
The whole capital punishment system is what costs so much. So it's not that it costs a lot of money to electricute someone...it costs a lot of money to hold a trial for that person because the trials are usually extremely long and each state is going to put a lot of resources into it. Then there are always appeals that come along even if the person is convicted.
So the problem is the system...but you know what...it's not going to change. You're putting someone's life on trial...so it's always going to get a lot of attention and a lot of money spent on it. So you either get rid of capital punishment all together or you accept the fact that it's eating up a lot of your tax-paying money.1/29/2006 4:52:41 PM |
EhSteve All American 7240 Posts user info edit post |
thank god we live in a society where people like this exist so we can execute them. 1/29/2006 7:34:50 PM |
Amsterdam718 All American 15134 Posts user info edit post |
write this guy, B. there's still time. and don't do any of that cute sh!t like or or cause he's never used the internets before and isn't going to know what the fuck you're referring to. 1/29/2006 9:16:31 PM |
spöokyjon ℵ 18617 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "tell me i'm hallucinating and did not really read that." |
YOU'RE IN COLLEGE. How the fuck do you people not already know this shit?1/29/2006 9:20:06 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41753 Posts user info edit post |
Im glad McVeigh got the needle. 1/30/2006 8:30:17 AM |
Reachcontrol Veteran 377 Posts user info edit post |
dumb and lazy....hmmmm
no, busy with other things.
and I see you are talking about the ENTIRE process of having a person put to death, not just the act of killing them
BIG difference bud.
Quote : | "YOU'RE IN COLLEGE. How the fuck do you people not already know this shit?" |
since when was this common knowledge? You don't like it, get on the school board and do something about what children are taught. I for one am learning about conservation of the planet and it's wildlife and habitats. Not the Amercan Justice System.
All this about some dude getting killed. nothing's fair, and whether or not this guy did anything, his fate is still decided by12 people who are too stupid to get out of jurry duty. And it will continue to be that way.1/30/2006 8:28:05 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "and I see you are talking about the ENTIRE process of having a person put to death, not just the act of killing them
BIG difference bud." |
It's not a big difference you idiot....because they go together....NO MATTER WHAT.
You can't get rid of the system. Again...you're not just going to take people out back and shoot them in the head after the verdict. And you're not going to have some regular ho-hum trial when it comes to capital punishment. If you're too dumb to comprehend that, then its not even worth arguing.
NCSU should really decrease enrollment and up their application standards.1/31/2006 12:59:32 AM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
You win
but -10 points for biased sources and being a whiny bitch 1/31/2006 1:24:09 AM |
bored All American 2343 Posts user info edit post |
^^ LOL 1/31/2006 6:15:32 AM |
TKEshultz All American 7327 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but -10 points for biased sources and being a whiny bitch" |
yea, find a credible source
Quote : | "Hey idiot...it costs more to put someone down than it does to keep them in jail for life." |
yes, this might be true if the man was put on death row as a senior citizen
but it is absolutly retarded to say that keeping someone in jail for life is cheaper than putting them to death. OVER 40 - 50 years (give or take depending on the prisoner) per death row innmate will require tax paid medical costs, multiple prison costs, prison staff requirements and improvements, food, cable tv and all the other wonderful attributes the ACLU has fought to give these scumbags, so it eventually adds up. and by the way, the cost of appeals will not even be close to matching the cost of keeping a convicted death row innmate alive for his/her entire life.
Quote : | "some of y'all need to learn how to read before you start stating his guilt. " |
ignorance much? oh i read it, but occasionally i question the validity of a fucking blog, especially when its serviced to create publicity to help a convicted murderer.
after all, everyone's innocent on deathrow, right?1/31/2006 7:23:58 AM |
TKEshultz All American 7327 Posts user info edit post |
http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/9922.P.pdf#search='Vernon%20Lee%20Evans' 1/31/2006 8:00:04 AM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
The study that says LWOP (life setence) is cheaper then the death penalty is full of shit....I've done the research If you really really want to know, pm me and explain it to you.
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 9:09 AM. Reason : a] 1/31/2006 9:08:12 AM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
research?? RESEARCH??
did you even click one of the links???????
fucking christ. here let me DO IT FOR YOU.
here are just a few of the organizations that are cited for doing the research:
Quote : | "Tennessee Study Finds Death penalty Costly, Ineffective
A new report released by the Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury " |
Quote : | "Kansas Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases." |
what a bunch of biased assholes
PLEASE enlighten us all bbehe1/31/2006 6:59:08 PM |
Reachcontrol Veteran 377 Posts user info edit post |
some research is biased, some isn't
but I will recant. The overwhelming information on the subject concludes that all monies spent from initial incarceration to death (be it from the penalty or old age in prison) is more expensive in a case where the death penalty is sought vs a normal life in prison case.
this is flogging a dead horse, but I suppose I learned from it.
The problem is spin/positioning of information readily available on the internet and recognizing where the line was drawn in relation to the financial reach of the case.
you can go as far as to say the pay of the officer who arrested or people who's days were interupted due connection to the case (thus costing the financial community, the company they work for blah blah blah)
but the actual act, the single solitary act (injection, the electricity in the chair, whatever) is not more expensive than life in prison.
but that's blatantly obvious
scope people, scope!
(taking time out of your day to learn something even makes an idiot like me feel enlightened)
and I tried to make my words clear, so read it carefully before you railroad me or choose to insult.
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 7:56 PM. Reason : ...] 1/31/2006 7:54:49 PM |
TKEshultz All American 7327 Posts user info edit post |
^^ are you ignorant to the fact that although a capital trial is expensive, it is no way comparable to the expenses required for each inmate, and most importantly for the elderly lifetime inmates. Living costs and Medicare costs for each elderly inmate will con't to increase. Also take into account that as prisons con't to drastically increase in population, and remain overpopulated, the facilities will need to always be rebuilt and improved, thus adding to the overall costs per inmate. These expenses will con't to snow ball as more lifesentences are issued. So, yes, you are correct in the respect that capital cases are more costly than regular criminal cases, but that is no way comparable to the astronomical long-term expenses that will result in keeping these uncivilized degenerates alive and well for decades.
http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-oldcons26jun26,0,3612948.story?coll=la-home-magazine
Quote : | "The financial toll of incarcerating senior citizens nationwide is staggering. Eyeglasses, hearing aids, medications and therapies, often for chronic or terminal conditions, compound the $30,929 annual average tab for housing a young, robust prisoner.
Penitentiary conditions accelerate aging, adding physiological years to the lives of men and women who in many cases compromised their health before getting arrested. They tend to get sicker than non-inmates with the same illnesses, in part because diagnosis and treatment arrive late. They're particularly vulnerable to diabetes, heart disease and hepatitis.
California spends two to three times more a year housing inmates over the age of 55, of which there are 6,400 currently incarcerated in state facilities, according to the Department of Corrections. A state Legislative Analysts Office study projects that the number of inmates over 60 could hit 30,200 by 2022, costing the state at least a billion dollars a year." |
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 8:12 PM. Reason : adsf]1/31/2006 8:12:18 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "are you ignorant to the fact that although a capital trial is expensive, it is no way comparable to the expenses required for each inmate, and most importantly for the elderly lifetime inmates." |
You want to do a comparison with figures for this?? I only ask, because its your statement.
The problem is, you have to figure out which one of all of those old people in jail would have been sentenced to death instead of being in jail that long for other reasons. And you said "elderly lifetime inmates"...the article you cited just says elderly. There is a lot of projecting in that article, and you're saying stuff that wasn't even mentioned in the article. Not a solid argument.1/31/2006 8:32:24 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
^^im not understanding the connection you're trying to make...
Quote : | "it is no way comparable to the expenses required for each inmate, and most importantly for the elderly lifetime inmates" |
as far as i know death row inmates are still inmates
still get to sit in the same jail and require just as much attention/money as any other inmate. add all that onto the cost of appeals and you get an expensive ass inmate
and i'll also bet that the average age of a death row inmate is higher than that of a regular inmate too. what i mean is, most death row inmates are there for A LONG time. putting someone on death row != instant death. does the article you posted take into account these people? or are there seperate figures for elderly death row inmates?
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 8:59 PM. Reason : .]1/31/2006 8:46:46 PM |
Amsterdam718 All American 15134 Posts user info edit post |
so I think this guy is probably dead. who wrote him? 2/7/2006 6:39:34 PM |
EmptyFriend All American 3686 Posts user info edit post |
the most recent post on the blog:
Quote : | "Maryland's highest court postponed today the execution of convicted murderer Vernon Lee Evans Jr., who was scheduled to be put to death this week for the 1983 contract killings of two Pikesville motel employees." |
hurray for wasting more money.2/7/2006 7:12:27 PM |
silvrrain Veteran 416 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.death07feb07,1,2446749.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
"Maryland's highest court halted yesterday the scheduled execution of convicted murderer Vernon Lee Evans Jr., agreeing to hear his challenge to the state's lethal injection procedure, along with claims that race has played a role in his case." 2/7/2006 7:20:52 PM |