evilbob All American 4807 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/01/D8FGN8509.html
Quote : | "Alito Opposes Mo. Execution By GINA HOLLAND Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON
New Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito split with the court's conservative Wednesday night, refusing to let Missouri execute a death-row inmate contesting lethal injection.
Alito, handling his first case, sided with inmate Michael Taylor, who had won a stay from an appeals court earlier in the evening. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas supported lifting the stay, but Alito joined the remaining five members in turning down Missouri's last-minute request to allow a midnight execution.
Earlier in the day, Alito was sworn in for a second time in a White House ceremony, where he was lauded by President Bush as a man of "steady demeanor, careful judgment and complete integrity."
He was also was given his assignment for handling emergency appeals: Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota and South Dakota. As a result, Missouri filed with Alito its request for the high court to void a stay and allow Taylor's execution.
The court's split vote Wednesday night ended a frenzied day of filings. Missouri twice asked the justices to intervene and permit the execution, while Taylor's lawyers filed two more appeals seeking delays." |
If this already exists, i dont care.2/2/2006 12:09:12 AM |
Excoriator Suspended 10214 Posts user info edit post |
ehh... i am not reading too much into this. Its just as likely that Alito didn't want his first act as a Justice to be ending some guy's life. 2/2/2006 12:10:08 AM |
quiet guy Suspended 3020 Posts user info edit post |
Alitowned 2/2/2006 12:22:57 AM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I hope so, because the death-penalty is a states-rights issue... 2/2/2006 12:32:30 AM |
Excoriator Suspended 10214 Posts user info edit post |
another explanation is that he inherited all of O'Conner's files and notes so he just went off of them since he couldn't make such a weighty decision in one day...
i mean, i'm just guessing.
OTOH, he very well could be a stealth nominee. who knows. but i think its more likely to be one or a combination of my earlier explanations 2/2/2006 12:34:28 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I hope so, because the death-penalty is a states-rights issue" |
what if a state decides to execute anyone convicted of Jewry. or Niggardliness?
States rights, mothafucker! And not a Got-Damn thing you can do about it.2/2/2006 1:25:00 AM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Maybe he's a judge and not a politician. 2/2/2006 1:31:55 AM |
Excoriator Suspended 10214 Posts user info edit post |
duh. 2/2/2006 3:56:48 AM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
Actually, joe_schmoe, the constitution does explicitly forbid such absurdity. It does not even pass at the subject of executions. 2/2/2006 9:48:00 AM |
JerryGarcia Suspended 607 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Maybe he's a judge and not a politician." |
Joke, right? Judges are politicians. Nobody gets elected or appointed to a seat on the bench without being a politician. Ideology dictates the judge's decisions (or, "opinions" as they're aptly termed). That silly thing they call jurisprudence is nothing more than a collection of ad hoc rationalizations intended to make the opinion look like it has a foundation in something other than ideology.2/2/2006 1:30:55 PM |
Excoriator Suspended 10214 Posts user info edit post |
i still don't understand why wolfpack2k felt the need to make that point... If it was about my statement that Alito might not have wanted to end someone's life as his first act as justice... that's not a "politician" motivation, that's just being a person, and like I added, he probably inherited all of O'Connor's notes and didn't feel comfortable making such a weighty decision after having only looked at the info for a few hours
[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 1:37 PM. Reason : s] 2/2/2006 1:34:40 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
^^^Where?
and executions are a federal matter. the whole equal protection under the law thing. 2/2/2006 1:55:39 PM |
JayMCnasty All American 14180 Posts user info edit post |
my professor told me he thinks alito will do everything in his power to overturn abortion
i was like damn i hate republicans 2/2/2006 2:14:03 PM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" |
I cannot execute some people for being alive and not even try to execute others committing the same crime.
Quote : | "and executions are a federal matter. the whole equal protection under the law thing." |
How does this refer to executions? As long as anyone being convicted of 1st degree murder gets executed, then on what grounds does this make it a federal issue?2/2/2006 3:14:23 PM |
Excoriator Suspended 10214 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I cannot execute some people for being alive and not even try to execute others committing the same crime." |
kind of like how its impossible to prosecute a store for selling 12% beer in Utah since its legal here in NC? oh wait a sec...
[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 3:23 PM. Reason : s]2/2/2006 3:17:11 PM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
where's our conspiracy theorist? "this was staged to make the left lay off" 2/2/2006 3:19:37 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
Executions are state matters, but often times they are challenged under federal Constitutional provisions. Nevertheless, a federal challenge is the last step - the execution itself is sentence and carried out under the authority of the state government. The last time the federal government had an execution was McVeigh, I believe? 2/2/2006 3:20:57 PM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ You do realize that is different, right?
The constitution says that the government cannot treat people different based on their race/sex/creed, these words are used explicitly. It doesn't say anything about people that are inside/outside your jurisdiction. 2/2/2006 4:22:08 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
ummm
the death penalty is pretty mush slighted towards poor minorities being executed far more than rich white people 2/2/2006 4:26:51 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
EXECUTE KEN LAY 2/2/2006 4:39:03 PM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
LoneSnark:
Quote : | "I hope so, because the death-penalty is a states-rights issue..." |
Quote : | "Actually, joe_schmoe, the constitution does explicitly forbid such absurdity [Re: my sarcastic note on racially biased executions]. It does not even pass at the subject of executions." |
are you listening to yourself? or do you always rattle off incoherent and contraditory statements?
Quote : | "The constitution says that the government cannot treat people different based on their race/sex/creed, these words are used explicitly. It doesn't say anything about people that are inside/outside your jurisdiction." |
on the contrary: nowhere in the constitution is there protection for "race/sex/creed".
and furthermore: the Constitution is quite explicit about jurisdiction, and describes it in detail. Try article III section 2.
dude, have you ever read the constitution? or are you just one of those all-around experts on everything?2/3/2006 3:48:44 AM |
Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
YOU CAN'T TALK TO HIM LIKE THAT
HE HAS MORE POSTS THAN YOU 2/3/2006 9:51:40 AM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
^^ You missed the point. So, let me come at it a different way. You are right, the constitution explicitly lays out the fact that independent jurisdictions exist. So the fact that stealing a ham-sandwich gets you life-in-prison in Texas but not North Carolina is constitutional because the states have the right to be different. However, the constitution does not explicitly forbid executions, unless they are "unusual punishment" and with a majority of the states engaged in executions it must not be that unusual.
Finally, it does explicitly state race/sex/creed. It was a sweeping generalization, but it is in there. Check Amendment XIV. 2/3/2006 11:02:41 AM |
spöokyjon ℵ 18617 Posts user info edit post |
I'll give you some time to read the 14th amendment and then you can come back and apologize for being wrong. 2/3/2006 1:07:26 PM |
boonedocks All American 5550 Posts user info edit post |
DON'T QUESTION IT, POOPYJON
HE'S AN ENGINEER
AND DRIVES A DODGE STRATUS 2/3/2006 1:28:19 PM |
delowder Veteran 133 Posts user info edit post |
No surprise...
Quote : | "DEATH PENALTY: Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., asked Alito whether, as a courtesy, he would sign on as the required fifth person if four other justices vote to stay an execution or hear the case. Alito said that seems to be a "very sensible procedure because I think we all want to avoid the tragedy of having an innocent person executed."" |
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/01/12/ap2447212.html2/3/2006 1:43:28 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53063 Posts user info edit post |
fucking liberal activist judges 2/3/2006 8:52:45 PM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Finally, it does explicitly state race/sex/creed. It was a sweeping generalization, but it is in there. Check Amendment XIV" |
how about YOU read amendment XIV, since you obviously haven't: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html -- this amendement says nothing about race, but only about US citizens. In fact, it actually *excludes* all women from considerations of voting and representation.
my only question is, are you congenitally stupid, or do you work at it?2/5/2006 12:06:28 AM |
jlphipps All American 2083 Posts user info edit post |
I just hope he sides with life on abortion too, if it should come up.
2/6/2006 6:23:19 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53063 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "the death penalty is pretty mush slighted towards poor minorities being executed far more than rich white people" |
maybe so, but only because poor minorities are committing more capitol offenses proportionally...2/9/2006 11:04:33 AM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^LIE
Quote : | "maybe so, but only because poor minorities are committing more capitol offenses proportionally... cannot afford effective legal representation." |
[Edited on February 9, 2006 at 1:14 PM. Reason : sss]2/9/2006 1:07:44 PM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
And the fact that wealthy minorities are more likely to be convicted of a violent crime than wealthy whites?
Or the fact that poor minorities are more likely to be convicted of a violent crime than poor whites?
Of course, why is everyone saying "minorities?" I don't see any Asians running around committing violent crimes (mafia excluded, of course). 2/9/2006 8:44:20 PM |
boonedocks All American 5550 Posts user info edit post |
racism 2/9/2006 8:49:42 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "maybe so, but only because poor minorities are committing more capitol offenses proportionally and cannot afford effective legal representation." |
Its obviously a combination of the 2.
And PS, the ratio of minorities put to death is not statistically higher than the ratio of minorities committing capitol crimes. Look it up.
[Edited on February 9, 2006 at 8:56 PM. Reason : 2]2/9/2006 8:49:43 PM |