what kind of tire pressure do you run off road, when somewhere like, say, uwharrie,

or somewhere like, say, fort fisher

2/9/2006 12:04:09 PM

10psi

2/9/2006 12:10:51 PM

air down till you blow a bead. then add 1 psi

repeat

2/9/2006 12:19:59 PM

uwharrie? not a damn bit. somewhere actually challenging, it really all depends on vehicle weight, the terrain, what tire, etc. for most "average" vehicles i'd say 10-12 for most off road stuff. with the beadlocks on my ram, i ran 5 in the front and 3 in the rear

if i'm un lazy enough to air down on sand, usually run 8 or so. generally not at all unless it hasn't rained in a long time or i'm going to be spending alot of time in the soft sand (north of corolla for example in behind the dune line). you can get away with lower pressures on sand since you don't have the lateral sidewall loading you get on trails/rocks.

Grapehead's method is the best way to find what works for your specific combination, but damn it can be a pita to reseat a bead. especially if you get any mud/dirt/sand in there.

[Edited on February 9, 2006 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2006 1:39:36 PM

Dude, why you going to air down. You will lose ground clearance.

2/9/2006 1:43:21 PM

yeah what is your tire size and what is your rim size if you have a 12.50 tire and didn't move up to a 10" rim like most do you can run a little below 10 and be fine. on the same hand if you're one of "those people" and put a 10.50 tire on a 10 inch rim i'd stay above 12. (tire height matters too but its mostly on width).

2/9/2006 2:03:01 PM

off roading is bad for the enviroment

2/9/2006 6:14:54 PM

guns dont kill the environment, stone kills the environment!

its tru

2/9/2006 7:49:09 PM

i maintain that offroad vehicles, or vehicles look like the are offroad vehicles on TV commercials, do more harm as DDs to the environment than responsible offroading.

2/9/2006 9:24:07 PM

dude until we fix coal power plants and paper mills you (society) can shut your(its) damned mouth about the 3 pebbles and 1 lb of dirt i moved 4 wheeling for a day.

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 1:40 AM. Reason : .]

2/10/2006 1:40:21 AM

damn soccer moms in their SUVs thinking they can drive over a mountain

think of all the natural habitats you are disturbing!

2/10/2006 8:23:52 AM

What the hell is wrong with coal-fire power plants? Do you even know the regulations on NOX and SOX emmissions? Not only for new projects, but also required for existing plants.

The pollution fight needs to continue here in the US, but the real problem is overseas.

Communist Fuckers.

2/10/2006 8:54:55 AM

y'all could take it to the soapbox

2/10/2006 9:08:49 AM

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"3 pebbles and 1 lb of dirt i moved 4 wheeling for a day."

bullshit. you ever seen some of these guys drive? they have these huge tires and fling rocks and dirt and animals everywhere, kill trees, move boulders, etc. the environmental damage is tremendous.

2/10/2006 9:17:07 AM

go visit the rivers in eastern nc. they weren't polluted by people offroading.

2/10/2006 9:20:00 AM

I heard these people like to run over trees and small children for fun.

2/10/2006 9:21:54 AM

I heard off-roaders were responsible for the extinction of the dodo bird.

2/10/2006 10:03:52 AM

i heard off roaders were the cause of the appalachian mountains


moving boulders and shit.


shut the fuck up.

2/10/2006 3:20:04 PM

i heard that alot of offroaders like to take it in the ass

2/10/2006 5:12:32 PM

i heard off roaders like to get all liquored up before they act irresponsible and tear up the enviroment. fuckin ass holes

2/11/2006 11:06:02 AM

i heard they drive big trucks to make up for their small peckers

2/11/2006 1:36:37 PM

i heard you suck pecker because u like it

2/11/2006 1:46:59 PM

whos the fagget when im beating your dad off in the corner?

2/11/2006 1:48:06 PM

^uhhh, what?

2/11/2006 2:05:39 PM

thats right.

2/11/2006 2:22:48 PM

i must be missing something... your reply to him saying you suck dick is something about beating his dad off...? sounds like a self pwn to me.

2/11/2006 2:53:04 PM

in the faggot game, if u make a statement that makes u seem like an out right noncaring flagrant homo the original fag that told u to suck dick has lost their ground.. bc ur like i do so what?

at least that's what i think who cares.

2/11/2006 3:22:34 PM

through this thread it has become obvious to me that MATTJM321 now has competition for the biggest faggot award in the garage....

drum roll please.........
the winner of the biggest garage faggot is.....


































TOYOTAFJ40'S

your prize can be redemed tonight at MATTJM321's house.

2/11/2006 4:01:19 PM

lol

2/11/2006 6:42:26 PM

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"dude until we fix coal power plants and paper mills"

fuck off, paper mills are one of the most heavily regulated and cleanest industries in the united states. how many other industrys can say that that produce more oxygen than CO2? properly manage forests? put water back into rivers cleaner that what they took out? certainly not the steel, nuclear or coal power, minning, plastics, or petroleum industry. so unless you know what the fuck you are talking about, stfu you fag.

2/12/2006 9:06:23 AM

go look at the river that the god damn weyerhauser plant sits on in washington co.
notice the fucking sign that says limit consumption of fish from this river
through a big ass rock in the water and look at the brackish shit that splashes up
you stupid ass

2/12/2006 11:33:41 AM

^ dis man speeks da trooof. Check out the crabs with no shells, the flounder with scabs, etc. around aurora. There is some nasty shit that comes out of paper mills.

2/12/2006 12:02:01 PM

^thank you

2/12/2006 12:07:34 PM

i love it when 69 pwns himself! pussy

2/12/2006 9:22:32 PM

^got rocks?

2/12/2006 10:17:06 PM

fyi, that is not all from the mill, take at look at the other manufacturing sites along that river. i have an uncle that works at the plymouth mill, a grandfather that works in eastover, sc, and my dad works at the franklin, va mill. i happen to be in paper science and engineering and chemical engineering, so i beleive it is ignorant fucks like you that have no idea what you are talking about that creates the entire problem. do you realize how rediculously strictly regulated the paper industry is these days? more than 70% of the finished product cost is enviromental costs. the franklin mill has a treatment system that was built in the early 50's that was far beyond anything ever known to the industry before then, and it still exeeds epa regualtions to this day. the paper industry has an undeserved bad reputation, and unless you want to start wiping your ass with your thumb, i suggest you shut the fuck up unless you know what you are talking about.

[Edited on February 12, 2006 at 11:05 PM. Reason : argument over]

2/12/2006 11:03:52 PM

Quote :

"^got rocks? "

tru. u joint style 500 bucks a pop

2/12/2006 11:19:29 PM

hey fatboy, my grandfather worked at the mill too. the place i'm talking about is RIGHT AT THE PAPER MILL. the entire problem? the problem is polluted water. you sound like a member of a PAC lobbying with facts they payed somebody to come up with. go eat a net full of fish right from where the paper mill is. put your $ where your mouth is. go swim in the water. hell, drink some of it, and then you will know what i am talking about.

2/12/2006 11:19:57 PM

stupid fag

Quote :

"argument over"

rblee just keeps sounding more and more like an idiot and pwnting himself.

show me some facts, i want some bod, cbod, tss, turbidity, pH, temp, ClO2, ClO3, and organic chlorides, numbers. you will find very little difference upstream and downstream from the mill. as a matter of fact far downstream from the mill.

that pisses me off more than anything in franklin also,

Quote :

"this water outside the mill smells like shit"

really? are you sure, because it discharges 11 miles downstream from here. could it be the lack of rain, the swamp creating excessive bod, the higher salinity? could it?

2/12/2006 11:37:39 PM

http://www.weitzlux.com/toxictortlawsuit/lawyerattorney/nc/northcarolina_18929.html

http://actionnetwork.org/NC_Action_Network/alert-description.tcl?alert_id=2105799

Weyerhaeuser Company-;The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services (NCDHHS) modeled air emissions of hydrogen sulfide from the Weyerhaeuser Company's pulp and paper mill in Plymouth. NCDHHS provided ATSDR with the summary results of the modeled results and asked ATSDR whether the data indicated a potential public health hazard to residents in the communities surrounding the facility.

In a health consultation released in October 2003, ATSDR concluded that residents living around the Weyerhaeuser paper pulp mill may be exposed to ambient air concentrations of hydrogen sulfide that exceed health-protective levels recommended by NCDHHS and the North Carolina Scientific Advisory Board. Modeled 24-hour hydrogen sulfide concentrations also exceed ATSDR's acute minimal risk level for hydrogen sulfide.

Because no actual ambient air monitoring data were available, the Weyerhaeuser pulp and paper mill was classified as an indeterminate public health hazard. ATSDR recommended air monitoring in residential areas near the facility to better define the ambient air concentrations of hydrogen sulfide to which people are being exposed. ATSDR also recommended a review of available information on potential releases of other site-related chemicals from nonprocess sources at the facility (e.g., the wastewater treatment plant) to determine whether off-site ambient air monitoring for other site-related chemicals is indicated.

Salisbury-;ATSDR is involved with two petition sites in Salisbury: APAC Carolina Inc. Hot Mix Asphalt and Associated Asphalt, a liquid asphalt storage and distribution facility. These sites have emissions of hydrogen sulfide; benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene; VOCs; and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. In addition, local residents have odor complaints about the sites, and groundwater at the sites is contaminated.

ATSDR has agreed to write a health consultation on these sites and is working with local residents and state and county health officials.

2/12/2006 11:42:22 PM

so, tire pressures anyone?

i've aired down to between 13-15 and been happy w/ that. didn't wanna go lower bc i'm a pussy and don't have oba. in the future i'm gonna do beadlocks and then i'll be going lower for sure.

2/12/2006 11:43:59 PM

69 you seem to be confused in where the burden of proof lies. prove to me it's not polluted. go eat some god damn fish out of that river.

2/12/2006 11:44:09 PM

you do realize that similar levels of hydrogen sulfide is released from swamps all the time from natural anaerobic bacteria don't you? why dont you check out problems with coal fired power plants that you need to power your ass dildo? you'll find hundreds if not thousands of violations of epa regulations. and this incident did not exceed any limits set forth by the federal government. so you need to blame your congressman for not giving a shit about your health, not the paper mill.

[Edited on February 12, 2006 at 11:51 PM. Reason : and those articles point out suggestions and risks, show me actual cases and violations, you can't]

2/12/2006 11:49:11 PM

Quote :

" you will find very little difference upstream and downstream from the mill. as a matter of fact far downstream from the mill. "

exactly. it's fucked up the whole river

2/12/2006 11:49:38 PM

PACs with lots of $ (i.e. influence) lobby congressman to protect their business interests. backup your over confidence and go eat some fish from that river

2/12/2006 11:52:32 PM

so you're saying that paper mills defy the laws of physics and their effluent stream flow upstream? you are growing more legit by the minute

2/12/2006 11:52:53 PM

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1169/is_1998_August/ai_54012256

NWF is suing the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for failing to require the pulp and paper industry to adopt technology that will reduce dioxin and other toxic pollutants.

The Federation is leading several other conservation groups, including one of its affiliates, the Natural Resources Council of Maine, in the lawsuit, which demands that EPA tighten recently issued regulations for the industry.

As they now stand, the rules allow paper mills to continue using chlorine-based bleaching processes that produce dioxins. These pollutants are released into nearby waters where they build up in the food chain and pose a health risk to people and wildlife.

NWF wants EPA to require technology that will move the industry closer to the eventual adoption of a totally chlorine-free (TCF) paper process. Now in use in Europe, TCF produces no dixoin, significantly reduces other pollutants and uses one-eighth of the energy required by chlorine-based processes.

2/12/2006 11:54:58 PM

Paper Mill Pollution

Riley Dam on the Androscoggin River connected to paper mill in Jay, ME. Photo by Ed Friedman.
The Androscoggin River has long been the dirtiest river in Maine and one of the most highly degraded rivers in the nation. While there has been much improvement over the last few decades, a large section of the river, near Lewiston-Auburn, remains highly polluted due to discharges from paper and pulp mills in Maine and New Hampshire. Massive algal blooms take over this portion of the river every summer, rendering it unfit for swimming and boating, and due to suppressed oxygen levels, largely inhabitable for cold water fish. The mills are the primary source of pollution, with discharges from three upstream facilities contributing about 77 percent of the phosphorous pollution and 83 percent of oxygen-depleting material.

CLF has been working to strengthen water quality enforcement in Maine. Unfortunately, the state Department of Environmental Protection has proposed instead to lower the standards, in effect making the high levels of pollution legal. CLF is fighting this proposal in the state legislature. The new standards would violate the federal Clean Water Act by weakening limits on phosphorous, allowing more monthly dissolved oxygen into the rivers and giving polluters up to a decade to begin reducing discharges.

If the bill is passed, CLF will seek to protect the Androscoggin River and other impaired water bodies in Maine, by asking the Environmental Protection Agency to overturn the legislation upon administrative review.

2/12/2006 11:57:14 PM

damn. 69 has had some pwnings around here, but this is shaping up to be the best. i imagine there will be further pwning from Tuite based on this comment.

Quote :

"why dont you check out problems with coal fired power plants "

[Edited on February 13, 2006 at 12:05 AM. Reason : .]

2/13/2006 12:03:40 AM

Quote :

"^ dis man speeks da trooof. Check out the crabs with no shells, the flounder with scabs, etc. around aurora"

just have to ask, but isnt it pcs phosphate mine doin all the pollutin down there? and whoever said look at all the brackish shit that comes up, doesnt brackish mean a mix b/t fresh and saltwaters, like it is in lil washington and chocowinity?(meaning its prolly brackish in aurora also

[Edited on February 13, 2006 at 12:09 AM. Reason : ]

2/13/2006 12:08:18 AM