This weekend at the All-Star game they are celebrating what they are calling the "Next 10" to go along with the 50 greatest players of all time.

Kobe is the front-runner lock to be in the "Next 10" but one guy from foxsports says:

"Kobe is top 5 of all-time"

so i was wondering what everyone thought about kobe being top 10 of all time

my ten are this as of now:
1)MJ
2)Wilt
3)Russell
4)Magic
5)Kobe
6)Bird
7)Kareem
8)Shaq
9)West
10)Hakeem

2/14/2006 4:12:49 PM

you are such a fucking n00b.

how old are you?

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF OSCAR ROBERTSON?

THAT BITCH AVERAGED A TRIPLE DOUBLE.

Kobe is purely a scorer, nothing more.

you cant be top 10 of all time strictly based on the fact that you are great in one category.

this is retarded.

2/14/2006 4:17:16 PM

no fucking way

2/14/2006 4:17:28 PM

MY BAD ON THE OSCAR OMISSION
OSCAR IS ONE OF THE GREATEST FOR SURE

P.S. KOBE HAS BEEN ON 5 ALL DEFENSIVE TEAMS YOU FUCK FACE

ONE CATEGORY MY ASS, GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME TALKING BULLSHIT YOU DONT KNOW CAUSE YOU DONT WATCH SPORTS

2/14/2006 4:19:32 PM

top 10 yeah, top 5 no

2/14/2006 4:21:51 PM

you're kidding right? Kobe in the top 10? He hasn't done anything without Shaq.

2/14/2006 4:29:07 PM

no i forgot shaq was with him when he scored 81

2/14/2006 4:29:45 PM

yeah, i say top 10 because he's too good of a scorer to be left out. he can't win by himself, but he's the best scorer in the league right now

2/14/2006 4:32:16 PM

switch kobe and kareem, bump west in front of shaq
mj
wilt
russ
magic
kareem
bird
west
kobe
shaq (HAW HAW HAW)
the dream

2/14/2006 4:35:44 PM

duncan is coming close to making that list if he isnt already there

2/14/2006 4:36:40 PM

the way i see it in the time that each great player played there were many other great players
MJ had, magic, hakeem, drexler, ...
magic and bird
and so on

but right now there arent that many and still kobe doesnt stand out glaringly

2/14/2006 4:38:14 PM

John Havlicek, Karl Malone (even though i hate him, he IS arguably the best statistical Power Forward of all time), George Mikan, Earl "The Pearl" Monroe.

Where in the fuck are they at on your pathetic list?

DON'T EVER, EVER QUESTION ME ABOUT MY BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE, YOU FUCKER.....

I HAVE FORGOTTEN MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW.

thread = .03/10

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 4:50 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 4:51 PM. Reason : Scottie Pippen?]

2/14/2006 4:50:42 PM

i'm going to have to agree ... karl malone is the #2 scorer ALL TIME ... definitely deserves to be on ahead of hakeem

2/14/2006 4:53:32 PM

scottie pippen was on the 50 greatest list wasnt he?

2/14/2006 5:00:00 PM

yes, and the fact that nobody has mentioned charles barkley yet is criminal

2/14/2006 5:03:54 PM

Quote :

"He hasn't done anything without Shaq"

and shaq hasnt done anything without kobe

2/14/2006 5:10:00 PM

Quote :

"no i forgot shaq was with him when he scored 81 "

Whats the Lakers record this year?

What is the Heat's record?

Kobe is NOT top 10 all-time, not now at least.

1) Wilt
2) Kareem
3) Jordan
4) Bird
5) Malone
6) Russell
7) Oscar
8) Julius Fuckin Irving
9) Hakeem
10)DT before injuries and drugs.

2/14/2006 5:13:12 PM

Iverson scores alot too, why wasn't he mentioned? I don't think Kobe is even in my top 10 SG of all time, let even top 10 player.

2/14/2006 5:30:50 PM

Also, where is Pistol Pete? Rick Barry?

2/14/2006 5:31:39 PM

Pistol Pete wasn't that great in the NBA and Rick Barry played too much ABA ball to be considered.

2/14/2006 5:33:57 PM

^he said of all time, not NBA only. With that in mind, where's Dr. J and Wes Unseld? I can go on and on.

2/14/2006 5:36:32 PM

1) JORDAN
2) WILT
3) BIRD
4) MJ
5) MALONE
6) RUSSELL
7) KAREEM
8) OSCAR
9) HAKEEM
10)SHAQ

KOBE DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE....

2/14/2006 5:39:54 PM

1) Jordan
2) Wilt
3) Russell
4) The Big O
5) Magic
6) Bird
7) West
8) Kareem
9) Hakeem
10) Maravich

Fucking Shaq is not top ten either.

2/14/2006 6:00:06 PM

Shaq is absolutely a top-10 player. His impact is obvious when looking at the Lakers and Heat before and after.

Hakeem and Maravich never dominated the game the way Shaq did during his time in Los Angeles.

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 6:06 PM. Reason : 2]

2/14/2006 6:05:09 PM

Kobe is up there, id say he's probably top ten.


Malone? Be serious guys.


He's a choke artist.


Top 50 fine, top 10 inane.


Last post of the day. It's V'day i gotta do it up so i can bang her back out.

2/14/2006 6:10:09 PM

a good nba debate, i like it.

1. mj
2. wilt
3. big O
4. russell
5. west
6. magic
7. kareem
8. shaq
9. ELGIN BAYLOR
10. bird

i got mikan just outside the top 10, maybe instead of bird.

2/14/2006 6:31:59 PM

It is very discouraging to see potential knowledgeable lists have Wilt over Bill Russell on every one of them. I guess because all you see is Wilt's popularity and Russell's quite demeanor off the court. Does anyone know why we have a three second violation of the painted area? I seemed to have forgotten. Also, ask anyone who lived in that era who they'd rather have, Wilt or Russell.

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 6:46 PM. Reason : sp]

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 6:54 PM. Reason : sp]

2/14/2006 6:45:35 PM

Top 10:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Oscar Robertson
6. Lew Alcindor
7. Larry Bird
8. Akeem Olajuwon
9. The Big Aristotle
10. The Mailman

2/14/2006 6:57:36 PM

people putting malone and/or shaq over hakeem are on crack

same for magic over bird

Quote :

"What is the Heat's record? "

i hope you arent trying to imply that the heat are winning this year b/c of shaq

or last year for that matter

and the lakers are in playoff contention this year as a one man team

even when they were together, shaq had to come out at the end of game b/c he is such a liability at the free throw line.

kobe will be top 10, but it is too early

2/14/2006 7:26:58 PM

kobe aint shit

he isnt even top 20

2/14/2006 7:46:41 PM

I agree. I would barely have Kobe top 10 in the NBA right now.

1) Duncan
2) Garnett
3) Lebron
4) Iverson
5) Dirk
6) Wade
7) Amare
8) Brand
9) McGrady

I would dare say I would take any of those over Kobe.

2/14/2006 7:48:53 PM

even iverson is better than kobe

if i were to start a team with the players playing today, and i could pick one, I'd pick all these people b4 kobe

Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Dirk
Duncan
Shaq
Amare Stoudamire
Steve Nash
Elton Brand
Iverson
Garnett
Julius Hodge

2/14/2006 7:53:11 PM

I have no comment........Not worth my time

2/14/2006 8:28:23 PM

Quote :

"Lebron James - if he learned to play clutch Dwayne Wade - close but not quite Dirk - maybe some nights on one end of the floor Duncan - tough to control the game at C Shaq - now?? hahahhaha Amare Stoudamire - ton of potential, but who knows Steve Nash - maybe some nights on one end of the floor Elton Brand - hahahaa Iverson - hurt too much Garnett - has proven he cant carry a team or be clutch McGrady - cant carry a team, can be clutch in some cases "

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 8:57 PM. Reason : a]

2/14/2006 8:55:26 PM

No love for Bob Cousy?
Earl "The Pearl" Monroe?

(Okay, maybe not top 10..)

(And gg for those of you mentioning Jerry West)



The all "what could have been and would probably make these lists" team:
1) Earl "The Goat" Manigault
2) David Thompson
3) Len Bias
4) ??




[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 9:07 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2006 9:01:28 PM

11. Shawn Kemp
12. J.R. Ryder

2/14/2006 9:38:04 PM

no intelligent basketball mind would have russell over wilt. u have to be retarded. i would like to see some kind of proof that the 3-second rule had anything to do w/ russell. it was because of wilt. wilt avg'd more pts, boards, and assists per game. he was a better all around player than russell, and thats not really opinion, its fact. before u start bringin up the rings, do u really think russell would have won so many without cousy and havlicek?


still surprised no one else even mentioned elgin baylor? does any body else even have a clue?

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 9:43 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2006 9:40:52 PM

there is no top ten, it's Magic and then EVERYONE ELSE

2/14/2006 9:41:43 PM

JR Rider?

2/14/2006 9:41:53 PM

Quote :

"As announced by NBA Commissioner David J. Stern on 29th October 1996. 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 2 Nate Archibald 3 Paul Arizin 4 Charles Barkley 5 Rick Barry 6 Elgin Baylor 7 Dave Bing 8 Larry Bird 9 Wilt Chamberlain 10 Bob Cousy 11 Dave Cowens 12 Billy Cunningham 13 Dave DeBusschere 14 Clyde Drexler 15 Julius Erving 16 Patrick Ewing 17 Walt Frazier 18 George Gervin 19 Hal Greer 20 John Havlicek 21 Elvin Hayes 22 Magic Johnson 23 Sam Jones 24 Michael Jordan 25 Jerry Lucas 26 Karl Malone 27 Moses Malone 28 Pete Maravich 29 Kevin McHale 30 George Mikan 31 Earl Monroe 32 Hakeem Olajuwon 33 Shaquille O'Neal 34 Robert Parish 35 Bob Pettit 36 Scottie Pippen 37 Willis Reed 38 Oscar Robertson 39 David Robinson 40 Bill Russell 41 Dolph Schayes 42 Bill Sharman 43 John Stockton 44 Isiah Thomas 45 Nate Thurmond 46 Wes Unseld 47 Bill Walton 48 Jerry West 49 Lenny Wilkens 50 James Worthy "

2/14/2006 9:45:06 PM

^ What is that, an alphabetical list of the top 50 players?

2/14/2006 9:46:41 PM

wat the hell does an alphabetical list prove?

2/14/2006 9:47:14 PM

haha oh shit i just noticed that

i just look 1 2 3 4 etc

my bad

2/14/2006 9:47:42 PM

Well, it is a good list...and on first glance, they didn't leave many greats out


It's just in alphabetical order....


woop...givin props to Cousy. (I dunno why, I'm a fan)

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 9:49 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2006 9:48:49 PM

well that is the offical nba list from 96 when it was compiled

2/14/2006 9:49:48 PM

LOL @ Robert Parish


Maybe I just have a flawed memory of him...and he was like 195 years old when I saw him play... but the Chief just didn't have it in him. (Off night, I guess )

2/14/2006 9:51:11 PM

haha, yea theres a guy that played a little past his prime. he was like 50 when he retired.

2/14/2006 9:52:08 PM

1611 games....i think....some can look it up (im to lazy)

2/14/2006 10:03:13 PM

Quote :

"no intelligent basketball mind would have russell over wilt. u have to be retarded. i would like to see some kind of proof that the 3-second rule had anything to do w/ russell. it was because of wilt. wilt avg'd more pts, boards, and assists per game. he was a better all around player than russell, and thats not really opinion, its fact. before u start bringin up the rings, do u really think russell would have won so many without cousy and havlicek?"

That WAS my whole point, that Wilt forced the 3 second rule, AKA he cherry picked his way to that 100 point game against guys no taller than 6-6, he was a beast, I'd love to see Wilt today against Shaq, it would be interesting. Russell was the best center of all time, you've gotten caught up in all the hoopla around Wilt. Russell had the better supporting cast, no denying that. Shaq, who has knowledge of the game even said Russell was the greatest center, and his game is much more similar to Wilt's. Wilt was more dominant of a player because he shot so much, but no way would I take Wilt over Russell, and I'm not even using the head to head matchups in my claim, which most people think is the only way to compare players.

2/14/2006 10:03:42 PM

so ur using shaq's opinion for ur claim? im still not sure how you're saying russell was better, especially without using stats. wat are you using, besides what shaq siad? im not caught up in any hoopla, i fully understand the dominance of bill russell, dont get me wrong, but c'mon, with wilt u have a GREAT ALL AROUND player, with russell u have a marginal offensive player and a great rebounder and defender. still takin wilt over big bill any day of the week, and twice on sundays.

2/14/2006 10:11:36 PM