concerning the JFK assassination, do you believe

1) Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman?

2) the Magic Bullet Theory?

2/26/2006 6:13:55 PM

3) second gunman on the grassy knoll

2/26/2006 6:17:13 PM

4) i'm still free

2/26/2006 6:21:21 PM

the magic bullet theory has been proven to be possible by forensic scientists.

2/26/2006 6:44:20 PM

the magic bullet theory has been disproven as well as the third gun man. there was a very detailed show about this on like discovery or history channel. the magic bullet theory was wrong because it basically didnt account for the fact that connelly was sitting lower and slightly inboard of kennedy, so therefore the trajectory was actually correct.

2/26/2006 6:44:36 PM

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"1) Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman?"

I liked how you said "The magic bullet theory has been proven to be possible." So is the "aliens came down and took JFK to Pluto" theory

[Edited on February 26, 2006 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2006 6:58:09 PM

^^that show is currently on the discovery channel now.

2/26/2006 6:59:01 PM

1)

2/26/2006 8:54:17 PM

5) I don't know. You don't know. None of us do. None of us ever will.

[Edited on February 26, 2006 at 9:40 PM. Reason : And moreso, I don't even think I want to know.]

2/26/2006 9:35:11 PM

lee harvey oswald did it. if you don't believe that, you are an idiot conspiracy theorist.

2/26/2006 10:24:10 PM

i bet salisburyboy is salivating at the chance to post in this thread

2/26/2006 10:30:29 PM

1) Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman

2/27/2006 1:28:13 AM

<-- idiot conspiracy theorist

2/27/2006 4:21:17 AM

I wish the democrats of today could me more like John Kennedy.

2/27/2006 4:35:15 PM

why, so republicans could tie up congress with investigations into who he was sleeping with?

2/27/2006 4:38:08 PM

i think he meant shot in the fucking head

2/27/2006 5:04:36 PM

Penn and Teller did a good job on this subject.

2/27/2006 5:19:37 PM

they did, sure

so did the discovery channel

each special i've seen on the shooting misses some crucial details, though. namely combining the "moving target" and the "fatal/most accurate shot was the last one" issues.

2/28/2006 12:49:32 AM

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"i think he meant shot in the fucking head"

Haha!

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"each special i've seen on the shooting misses some crucial details, though. namely combining the "moving target" and the "fatal/most accurate shot was the last one" issues."

Simply because the shot hit its target with the most crucial accuracy does not mean it was performed to a higher degree. Heck, I saw someone hold an old pump air rifle up to a window screen, fire the pellet during a gusty windstorm, and strike a bird at the top of a pine tree a good 100 feet away in the front of his yeard... the pellet struck the bird in the neck and must have instantly severed its spinal cord because the bird simply fell to the ground without a flinch. Sure he was "aiming" at the bird but freakish luck resulted in the perfect shot. That last bullet could have been the same thing, just a reallly good last second "aim" that happened to do the job... freakier things have happened.

2/28/2006 1:37:50 PM

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"namely combining the "moving target" and the "fatal/most accurate shot was the last one" issues."

Are you under the impression that it was a difficult shot to make?

Because that would be the wrong impression to have.

2/28/2006 2:16:47 PM

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Do any of you people know where these individuals learned how to shoot?... Private Joker.

Private Joker: Sir. In the Marines, Sir.

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: In the Marines. Outstanding. Those individuals showed what one motivated Marine and his rifle can do. And before you ladies leave my Island, you will all be able to do the same thing.

[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2006 4:02:20 PM

oswald wasn't even a great shot. read the warren commission's report.

2/28/2006 4:32:08 PM

Dude, you don't need to be a great shot to what he did.

High-powered, scoped bolt action rifle. 150 meters. Target moving away from the shooter. Capable shooter.

I'm not seeing how this is even improbable, let along impossible.

I mean, to qualify as a marine sharp shooter you need to hit targets at greater distances using iron sights. What does seem like an incredibly tough shot is to hit the president from the grassy knoll, where the limo would be traveling 30mph nearly perpendicular to the shooter.

[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2006 4:39:48 PM

Argue with the House Select Committee.

2/28/2006 4:41:39 PM

Why would I? They concluded that Oswald was the only shooter.

2/28/2006 4:46:42 PM

Evidently you haven't read it.

2/28/2006 4:50:00 PM

No, but tell me where the Warren Commission says otherwise.

2/28/2006 4:58:48 PM

Warren Commission != House Select Committee

2/28/2006 5:03:29 PM

Ah.

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"The HSCA's conspiracy finding unraveled rapidly, however. The sole acoustic evidence relied on by the committee to support its theory of a fourth gunshot (and a gunman on the grassy knoll) in the JFK assassination, was a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. After the committee finished its work, however, an amateur researcher listened to the recording and discovered faint crosstalk of transmissions from another police radio channel known to have been made a minute after the assassination. Further, the Dallas motorcycle policeman thought to be the source of the sounds followed the motorcade to the hospital at high speed, his siren blaring, immediately after the shots were fired. Yet the recording is of a mostly idling motorcycle, eventually determined to have been at JFK's destination, the Trade Mart, miles from Dealey Plaza."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

So this committee only said it was possible that there was a second gunman, but he only took one shot, and that shot missed. Even if that conclusion wasn't in question, LHO still made took the two shots that killed JFK.

2/28/2006 5:19:22 PM

I never argued for a shooter on the grassy knoll. And the HSC simply admits that there was more to the story than a clear case of lone gunman syndrome.

2/28/2006 5:25:57 PM

The one bit of evidence they used to make that assertion was shown to be invalid.

Maybe you and salisburyboy should do lunch sometime.

2/28/2006 5:31:57 PM

Or me and 70% of the American public.

Quit being a douchebag. The Warren Commission didn't even investigate the possibility of a conspiracy. How it concluded there was no conspiracy in light of that fact boggles the mind.

2/28/2006 5:49:25 PM

There's no evidence that there was a conspiracy.

That's how it can be concluded that there wasn't one.

This is no different than salisburyboy's 9/11 conspiracies.

2/28/2006 11:37:19 PM

Dude. I don't give a fuck how many times you mention salisburyboy in this thread or in comparison to me. The guilt by association tactic isn't going to change my opinion.

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"There's no evidence that there was a conspiracy."

Oh? Tell me, oh wise one, what kind of evidence would you need to admit the possibility of a conspiracy?

3/1/2006 1:22:12 AM

The type of evidence that exists.

3/1/2006 3:00:38 AM

Like? What form would you need?

3/1/2006 2:30:07 PM

You know, the type made from atoms.

Maybe paper, film... something like that. So long as it existed in this plane of reality.

3/1/2006 2:45:13 PM

What type of evidence can prove a conspiracy to you?

Be specific.

3/1/2006 2:47:57 PM

It doesn't have to be specific. Any evidence.

You're just dodging the fact that there is none.


OOOOOOOH I get it. I'm slow.

You're doing the WHOMG YOU CAN'T PROVE THERE ISN'T A CONSPIRACY, THEREFORE THERE IS!

[Edited on March 1, 2006 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2006 2:49:47 PM

Bullshit on both counts. What constitutes evidence to you doesn't constitute evidence to anyone else. I just want to know what evidence or even what kind of evidence would suffice. I highly suspect that you're avoiding answering the question because you know as well as I do that the answer is this: none. You saw the Penn & Teller or History Channel specials and are now religiously ahering to their conclusions; unable to even conceive of a form of evidence that would indicate a rational possibility to the contrary.

In fact, I'm calling you out as part of the "I don't buy the conspiracy because it's the new chic" cats. It's the new contrarianism. You don't want to be like the 70% of people who believe there was more to the story because you think it exalts you above them intellectually; not unlike the antagonistic atheists who look down their noses at the spiritual majority. You jump the gun and label anyone who doesn't buy the official story as a [user]salibsburyboy[/user] or somebody who fell into Oliver Stone's trap. I'm neither.

There've been numerous confessions related to all levels of the incident (some dubious, some not so), destroyed evidence, plenty of tampering in subsequent investigations, classification of a preponderence of information relevant to the case, etc. My question is and always has been, what form of evidence would be acceptable to you? What constitutes a valid suggestion of a conspiracy?

[Edited on March 1, 2006 at 3:05 PM. Reason : ...]

3/1/2006 3:04:57 PM

As soon as you show me some actual evidence, I'll let you know.

You've just been giving me vauge assertions. Oooh, confessions! Lost evidence! Show me; because the crap I've seen in the conspiracy theory books do not stand up to reason.

And I've never even seen the Penn and Teller thing; I think you're confising "new contrarianism" with "rational thinking."

3/1/2006 3:10:02 PM

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"My question is and always has been, what form of evidence would be acceptable to you? What constitutes a valid suggestion of a conspiracy?"

3/1/2006 10:22:34 PM

My answer is and always has been, any form of evidence that stands up to scrutiny would be acceptable to me. It wouldn't prove a conspiracy, but it would open my mind to the possibility.

I've yet to see anything that does even that, though.

3/1/2006 10:57:40 PM

i heard chuck norris went back in time, stopped the bullet with his bare hand, and roundhouse kicked oswalt to the face, killing him instantly. JFK's head exploded in sheer amazement

3/2/2006 6:09:21 PM

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42972

3/2/2006 9:28:22 PM