http://trianglesportstalk.com/audio/mar_2006/tomburleson3-16.mp3

looking for a transcribed version

he voices his opinion on sendek

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3/16/2006 10:47:58 AM

...and he says it's time for a change

And mostly becuase of style of play

I agree, Tommy

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3/16/2006 11:02:05 AM

for better or worse its looking more and more like the end is near

3/16/2006 11:02:54 AM

i can't get access to that though, can someone transcribe it or summarize it?

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ]

3/16/2006 11:03:26 AM

I think so too. I doubt he'd come out with this right before the tourney if he didn't know anything.


Then again, supposedly the alumni and the WPC fully support Herb

3/16/2006 11:03:47 AM

he wants dt as coach

3/16/2006 11:04:23 AM

he says 85% of the WPC wants him out and you gotta keep the alumni happy

3/16/2006 11:04:37 AM

Well not necessarily.

A strong NCAA run, and by strong I mean elite 8 + is another year in the least.

If we don't make it through the weekend though or worse, make it to the S16 and flake out again, then the ball will be rolling.

3/16/2006 11:06:27 AM

what a bunch of idiots. they're going to regret it

3/16/2006 11:06:40 AM

who is they?

if you mean burleson he acknowledges that he may get some backlash for doing this

3/16/2006 11:08:03 AM

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"Well not necessarily. A strong NCAA run, and by strong I mean elite 8 + is another year in the least. If we don't make it through the weekend though or worse, make it to the S16 and flake out again, then the ball will be rolling."

He says it's not about "Herb must beat X"... its' about keeping the alumni, players, and fans happy... and Herb hasn't done that. He's had his time, and most people want a more exciting offense and athletic team

He said the style of play doesn't bring in the players needed to compete in the ACC, and this offense is too reserved and unathletic to work in the ACC. Says no elite programs use an offense as reserved as ours.

He calls out Herb vs. Wake, saying Wake has the weakest ballhandling guards in the ACC... Minnesota beat them last night by pressing them and they couldn't handle it. Everyone else beats them by pressing and pressuring the ball, yet Herb elected to stay conservative and try to outshoot them.

I agree wholeheartedly with the Wake comment. We should have pressed..a lot. I was screaming the same thing during and after the Wake game (both of them).



[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ]

3/16/2006 11:10:41 AM

can't go bearhunting with a bb gun

3/16/2006 11:13:04 AM

haha that was an awesome line

3/16/2006 11:13:44 AM

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"He said the style of play doesn't bring in the players needed to compete in the ACC, and this offense is too reserved and unathletic to work in the ACC. Says no elite programs use an offense as reserved as ours."

I don't agree with him when he says this. Since Herb has been getting his own players in here we have been competing in the ACC. We have won in the regular season and made the tournament final twice. What does competing mean to him? Winning the championship? Not everyone that is competitive in the ACC every year wins the championship.

3/16/2006 11:15:04 AM

also, tell me on which team that these players could not compete on in the acc:

cameron bennermann
cedric simmons
brandon costner (when he returns healthy)
Gavin Grant (at least the past few games)

every single one of those players could compete on every team in the acc this year and at least get some playing time; and that is not even mentioning atsur and evtimov b/c i know many on here have been disappointed w/ their play at times this year but i would still say that they could compete on many acc teams

3/16/2006 11:16:55 AM

He basically says "Some teams try to run the stall, clock conserving offense, but when you look at the elite programs in the nation..... Duke's, Carolinas, UConns and everyone else, they're wide open".




He's not saying it doesn't work, he's saying state fans havent' supported it because he knows it will never take us back to an elite program

3/16/2006 11:18:21 AM

its not the offense, its how they use it

watch Georgetown and what they do as opposed to us

3/16/2006 11:18:42 AM

even if they are that athletic i think he is saying the system limits them unlike the pro style offenses that more sucessful teams run

3/16/2006 11:18:59 AM

Brandon Costner? He played in like 2-3 game and he wasn't at all impressive


Cedric would be a superstar if he played in a different offense.

3/16/2006 11:19:46 AM

this looks like the end

i mean its hard for someone to say this without having alot to back it up, especially someone like Tom that once was the face of our team.

I just cant figure out who we are gonna get to replace Herb although DT wouldnt be bad press and recruit wise.

3/16/2006 11:24:22 AM

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"Cedric would be a superstar if he played in a different offense. "

i thought a big reason he came here because he really like our style of offense and thought it fit his style of play.

3/16/2006 11:26:18 AM

it was his first 3 games as a freshman; i just mentioned him b/c he is a MD AA

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"its not the offense, its how they use it watch Georgetown and what they do as opposed to us"

i do agree with that; georgetown does have similar principles in their offense, but they do a much better job of doing diff. things out of it; i will agree there

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"Cedric would be a superstar if he played in a different offense."

this is the only complaint that I would have w/ Herb. I like him as a coach and will support him until people run him out of here; I respect what he has done w/ this program considering where it was when he got here; I do feel that he will continue to have success and improve if he stayed. But with regards to Cedric, why he does not start lower in our offense I will never know. Herb is not stupid. He has to be able to see what Cedric can do (see the Duke game). It seems like after that game we started putting him way high all the time and he has become our designated hand off guy. I think if we revolved our offense a little bit more around him in the post, it would be better for our team and open up so much more for bennermann and grant

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 11:27 AM. Reason : him]

3/16/2006 11:26:20 AM

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"I just cant figure out who we are gonna get to replace Herb"

this is the major problem i have with the so called "herb haters". they don't even know who we could possibly get to replace him. everyone can forget rick barnes and nate mcmillan. we would be relegated to having to take a chance on a younger coach who has had success at a lower level of college bball. i just don't see how that could be any improvement as this point in the program.

3/16/2006 11:29:21 AM

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"Cedric would be a superstar if he played in a different offense."

Incorrect for so many reasons. Cedric still has a ways to go before he's a superstar in any offense.

- He sucks at getting position. Look how hard he works at getting position, then look at how hard Tyler Hansbrough works at getting position.

- His post moves still aren't great

- He makes stupid fouls leading him to not playing a lot of minutes

- He puts the ball on the floor too much

- He's dumb


He still has potential to be great...but he is limiting his effectiveness moreso than our offense is.

3/16/2006 11:34:56 AM

his post moves ARE pretty good with single coverage actually...like how he balled out on ACC DPOY Shelden Williams when Duke didnt double

his rebounding needs lots of work for a guy with Burleson's wingspan

3/16/2006 11:36:46 AM

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"He sucks at getting position. Look how hard he works at getting position, then look at how hard Tyler Hansbrough works at getting position."

GREAT point

3/16/2006 11:36:47 AM

jbrick83 hit the nail on the head.....and ced knew that coming out of high school, which is why he chose an offense that would force him to become more versitile (at least thats what he said)

3/16/2006 11:38:21 AM

I think Evtimov is better at getting position than Ced.

3/16/2006 11:39:01 AM

^lets not be ridiculous

3/16/2006 11:41:02 AM

he actually is right

Ev can get the ball down low alot easier than Ced because he gets low, Ced just stands around

Id love to see Tom coach our team, I would love it because not only would he understand our situation, get us good recruits, a good offense, and get pissed off every now and then.
Tom or David is my replacement.

3/16/2006 11:43:05 AM

^^

Actually Evtimov is better at getting position. He actually works at it.

Too bad Evtimov sucks worse at everything else other than shooting threes and making ridiculously hard passes that puts our guards in a position so hard to make a layup that it usually gets blocked by the defeender...

3/16/2006 11:43:54 AM

i don't disagree with his post about Evtimov

it just wouldn't be an ncsu bball thread on here right now w/o someone hating on evtimov

3/16/2006 11:44:51 AM

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"Id love to see Tom coach our team, I would love it because not only would he understand our situation, get us good recruits, a good offense, and get pissed off every now and then."

This sentence made my brain hurt

3/16/2006 11:44:58 AM

just because you're a good player doesn't mean you'd be a good coach.

this is so fucking ridiculous. i can't believe this is happening

3/16/2006 11:45:39 AM

^^lol

3/16/2006 11:46:46 AM

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"just because you're a good player doesn't mean you'd be a good coach. this is so fucking ridiculous. i can't believe this is happening"

does this mean that you are a herb supporter or you don't want a former player as our coach?

3/16/2006 11:47:42 AM

ya i dont think bringing in someone with NO collegiate coaching experience is very bright, even if it is DT

3/16/2006 11:50:23 AM

still dont think Herb is goin anywhere though

3/16/2006 11:50:51 AM

let's let burleson coach just cause he's 7'4"

3/16/2006 11:51:50 AM

^^i hope not, but if we do lose to cal (esp. if it is another really bad game) i wouldn't be too surprised for him to receive so much pressure that he just resigns b4 anything else happens

3/16/2006 11:53:14 AM

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"- He sucks at getting position. Look how hard he works at getting position, then look at how hard Tyler Hansbrough works at getting position. - His post moves still aren't great - He makes stupid fouls leading him to not playing a lot of minutes - He puts the ball on the floor too much"

what role does coaching play in regards to these?

3/16/2006 11:53:58 AM

What pisses me off is watching our team stay in the same offense and same defense throughout a game when neither is working. When you watch other teams the announcers comment on the change in defense. Teams switch to a three quarter press or full press or 1-3-1. We don't switch to anything. It seems like Herb could tell the team what to do at the beginning of the game and leave. It doesn't seem like he makes any adjustments during the game. When something is not working we just keep doing it like something is going to change. I think the lack of gameday coaching is obvious from our complete inability to make a last second play.

3/16/2006 11:55:03 AM

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"- He makes stupid fouls leading him to not playing a lot of minutes"

no coaching can help that; players learn to play w/ fouls through experience; ced hasn't picked that up yet

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" - His post moves still aren't great"

not very much coaching can help; and ced's post moves, while still not great, have improved tremendously since last year; but you can teach a bad bball player all the post moves you want and let them practice them all of the time and they still aren't going to be very good at them

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"He sucks at getting position. Look how hard he works at getting position, then look at how hard Tyler Hansbrough works at getting position."

you can't coach drive and desire; you can coach how to get position and i am sure that has been taught but like the earlier post stated; look at Hansbrough: he wants position. ced does not work that hard in the post often enough

3/16/2006 11:58:34 AM

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"When you watch other teams the announcers comment on the change in defense. Teams switch to a three quarter press or full press or 1-3-1."

Duke never switches defense. they live and die by the man to man. seems to work for them.

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"I think the lack of gameday coaching is obvious from our complete inability to make a last second play."

UCONN last year? you can't forget the good ones and only remember the bad ones

3/16/2006 12:00:19 PM

we played some 1-3-1 against Wake in teh 2nd half of the acc tourney game

3/16/2006 12:01:09 PM

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"UCONN last year? you can't forget the good ones and only remember the bad ones "

its easy to pick out only the pieces that fit your arguement.

3/16/2006 12:02:34 PM

we probably won't even make the tournament next year if herb is gone. is that what you want?

3/16/2006 12:03:34 PM

^^just as easy as it is to pick out the ones that fit your argument.

im not saying we have never lost a game b/c we didn't get off a good shot at the end (lord knows it has happened). but we have won some games at the end; and out of all of the ones that we lost is it all herb's fault that the play didn't work???? maybe the play was not executed correctly or what not. not every play a coach draws up is going to work every time.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ^]

3/16/2006 12:04:21 PM

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"UCONN last year? you can't forget the good ones and only remember the bad ones"

had NOTHING to do with sendeck, no timeout was called, that was all hodge calling to be isolated to take the final shot

3/16/2006 12:04:31 PM

Seriously come on wolfNstein.

Roy Williams is a better coach because Hansbrough gets better position than Ced is basically what you are saying.

Its only up to Ced to get in there and battle and NOT make stupid fouls.

3/16/2006 12:05:40 PM