SUMMARY: 9/11 WAS A GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED STAGED FAKE "TERRORIST" ATTACK

Now over four and a half years removed from the events of 9/11/01, it’s past time to be bluntly honest. The 9/11 attacks were an inside job. Beyond any reasonable doubt. After looking at the evidence, there can be no serious debate on this and you cannot honestly deny it. The evidence is overwhelming. It is not a “conspiracy theory” that the government was involved in 9/11. It’s a conspiracy fact. It’s documented. All one has to do is seriously look at the publically available evidence, most of which comes from “mainstream” sources. The 9/11 attacks were a government-sponsored staged “terrorist” event, and a psychological warfare operation upon the American people and the world. The U.S. government was planning to go to war in Afghanistan prior to 9/11, and the neo-conservatives surrounding the Bush Administration were planning to go to war to take control of the Middle East and Central Asia region long before 9/11. The 9/11 attacks were the "catalyzing event" (that PNAC documents even called for) and pretext needed for these wars. The attacks were also used as the pretext to expand the power of government and rachet up the police state in America and other nations around the world.

The “official” story on 9/11 is completely absurd. Even the mainstream media is starting to admit that there are many serious problems and questions with the “official” story. Osama bin laden and 19 Arabs did not pull off these attacks. The did not have the means or the ability. The supposed “hijackers” who allegedly piloted the planes were actually poor pilots who could barely even fly a Cessna. And how did bin Laden get the U.S. Air Force to stand down and not intercept the hijacked aircraft? The idea of a vast “al-Qaeda” network is a hoax, and to the extent that it actually exists it was created by the CIA and other Western intelligence agencies. The government actually aided and protected many of the “terrorists.” High-level government officials hindered FBI investigations into suspected terrorists shortly before 9/11. Bin Laden was framed using phony audio and video tapes. The 19 men named as the "hijackers" were framed using stolen identities. Many of these men turned up alive after 9/11. Mossad and Israeli spies were instrumental in framing the Arabs, as well as carrying out the attacks on a operational and logistical level. And the day of 9/11, the government was running drills of jetliners crashing into the Pentagon. These drills provided the operational cover to allow the attacks to occur. The hijacked planes were further used as a cover for the fact that explosives were used to destroy the World Trade Center buildings.

HISTORICAL EXAMPLES OF GOVERNMENT CARRYING OUT ATTACKS OR USING DECEPTION TO START WARS

Do you think it is impossible for the U.S. Government to kill it’s own citizens and use deception in order to start wars? In the 1960s, the U.S. Government drafted a plan (called “Operation Northwoods”) to fake hijacking jetliners and carry out acts of terrorism on U.S. citizens and then blame it on Cuba to serve as the pretext for a war against Cuba. Recently declassified government documents show that the U.S. Government purposely faked the intelligence on the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” in order to provide the excuse to go to war in Vietnam. And, more recently, it is now public knowledge that the U.S. government deliberately fabricated Iraq's WMD threat to get trick the public into war with Iraq.

Governments throughout history, including the U.S. Government, have used this “problem-reaction-solution” tactic in order to provide the pretext for war or other political actions. Historical documents show that it was Hitler’s forces, not the Communists, who burned the Reichstag Government building. Many historians agree that it was actually the U.S., and not the Spanish, who blew up the U.S.S. Maine as the pretext for the Spanish American War. Historical records also conclusively show that the U.S. Government had prior knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and allowed it to occur to draw us into the war.

The 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City is another clear-cut case of government-sponsored terror. The evidence proving government involvement and a cover-up is 100% conclusive. The BATF, which had offices in the Murrah building had prior knowledge of the bombing and did not show up to their offices the morning of the bombing. Oklahoma City local news channels reported that there were multiple explosive devices removed from inside the building. McVeigh’s truck bomb did not cause the damage to the Murrah building. It was a diversion to cover the fact that bombs were inside the building (evidence which would lead back to the true culprits), and McVeigh was the patsy.

Now, will some of you wait 40, 50, or 60 years for the government to declassify documents and finally admit that 9/11 was an inside job before you finally acknowledge it? You don’t have to. The evidence is already out there for us to make that determination.


THE REAL PERPETRATORS OF THE 9/11 ATTACKS

The 9/11 attacks were clearly carried out with the cooperation of people in high levels of the government. The ensuing coverup of the truth about the 9/11 attacks has required the cooperation of people both in the government and the mainstream media. Thus, we know that the real orchestrators of the 9/11 attacks are a group of people with control over both the government and the mainstream media.

The bottom line is this. The true orchestrators of the 9/11 attacks is a Zionist Cabal exercising enormous influence and control over our government and mainstream media. You think that this is just the rantings of some “lunatic” or “anti-Semite”? Hardly. Now, even scholars are admitting the Zionist control over our government. For example, read this article where scholars claim that a “pro-Israeli lobby” linked to the neo-conservatives in and around the Bush Administration has enormous power in Washington D.C.–including a “stranglehold on Congress” and being the mastermind behind U.S. foreign policy:

Zionist power over U.S. Government and Media confirmed by renowned American Scholars
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r

Then we have other publically available evidence, like the publications of the neo-conservative think tank “The Project For The New American Century” (PNAC). Zionists exerting influence on the Bush Administration want to take control of regions of the world (including specifically the Middle East and Central Asia region) in order (as they claim) to “promote Amerian global leadership.”

Even casual observers can see that it is the Zionists, neo-cons, and Israel who primarily pushed for the war in Iraq. And they are now pushing for war against Iran. They were pushing for these wars for a long time, but needed a necessary “crisis” in order to provide the pretext for such action. The PNAC document titled Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategy, Forces and Resrouces For a New Century (published in September 2000) acknowledged this when it stated that a “catastrophic and catalyzing event–like a new Pearl Harbor” was needed:

Quote :

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor. --Rebuilding America’s Defences: Strategy, Forces and Resrouces For a New Century, page 51 http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf"

(see top of page 51 of pdf document above...page 63 of 90 in display):

They got their "catastrophic and catalyzing event" just a year later on September 11th, 2001. Coincidence?

The ultimate goal of this Zionist cabal with enormous power over our government is world domination and control. That may sound far-fetched, but that is what they are accomplishing using the American military to obtain "global American leadership" (as PNAC publically admits to striving for) and American hegemony in the world. This Zionist cabal ultimately wants a “new world order” or global totalitarian government (under the United Nations or some other entity). They are the force behind the “terrorism”, and are using it to achieve their goals. The terrorist threat is an illusion, and “the war on terror” is a hoax.

Here is an excellent article exposing the Zionist role in orchestrating the 9/11 attacks:

Stranger Than Fiction: An Independent Investigation of 9-11 and the War on Terrorism
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm


NOTE: My previous 9/11 thread was locked upon my request to theDuke866 because the information was too disorganized. This thread is aimed to be more blunt about 9/11, and present the best evidence proving 9/11 was a Zionist-orchestrated government inside job in a more compelling and organized fashion. And consider this thread an open challenge to any who dares to dispute these facts.


[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 12:14 PM. Reason : `]

3/31/2006 12:07:08 PM

you've already made this thread

3/31/2006 12:13:53 PM

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"you've already made this thread"

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"NOTE: My previous 9/11 thread was locked upon my request to theDuke866 because the information was too disorganized. This thread is aimed to be more blunt about 9/11, and present the best evidence proving 9/11 was a Zionist-orchestrated government inside job in a more compelling and organized fashion."

ROLE OF THE ZIONIST-CONTROLLED MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN COVERING UP THE TRUTH ABOUT THE 9/11 ATTACKS

The Jewish/Zionist-controlled "mainstream" media has been deliberately and actively involved in covering up the truth about the 9/11 attacks. It has been a mouthpiece for the government and promoted the "official" government story without doing any real investigation to determine the facts, which has resulted in framing and blaming Arabs and muslims for the attack, setting the pretext for the foreign wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and possibly Iran and Syria.

The mainstream media is only now starting to address some of the problems with the official story because too many people are starting to question the official story, and they are being forced to address the issue. But they give the issue only bare minimal coverage and attention and do not address the more serious questions and problems with the official story to any sufficient degree, in order to suppress the truth. And even if they are eventually forced to acknowledge that the government was somewhat involved somewhere down the line, they will undoubtedly try to place the blame solely on the Bush Administration, and conceal the fact that the true masterminds of the 9/11 attacks were the Zionist Cabal that exercises enormous power over our government (and media).


FOR THOSE WHO STILL BELIEVE THE "OFFICIAL" STORY ON 9/11

I realize that facing the reality that our government is corrupt and could have been involved in perpetrating the 9/11 attacks is difficult, but the facts are the facts. And I wish it wasn’t true, but that’s the reality. The only way to change things and face the future is to discover and acknowledge the truth.

For those that still believe the “official” government version of 9/11, please consider this. Why do you have such faith in the government? And is it blind faith? Have you even considered the alternative evidence? Our government has been caught lying to us over and over and over again. The evidence is clear that they deliberately deceived the public to gain support for the war in Iraq. Now, if they deliberately lied to start a war against Iraq, do you not think it is at least possible they are lying about 9/11?

Even if you are violently opposed to the idea that a criminal element in our government could have been involved in the 9/11 attacks, at least take an honest look at the evidence. Because if you do, you will begin to find that the "official" story is absolutely riddled with holes, and you will eventually discover that the entire story is a fraud and that a criminal element within (and controlling) the government was behind the attacks. Only those who have not seen the evidence (or refuse to see it) can honestly deny that 9/11 was a government-sponsored “terrorist” event and inside job.


MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY FILM EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11: 9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones



In the minds of many, this is the definitive documentary film exposing the truth about 9/11. In my opinion, it is one of the most powerful and important films ever made. It is absolutely a must see. It begins by documenting the historical examples of government-sponsored terror, including a powerful expose of the truth about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. It then goes on to discuss 9/11 and the elite’s plans to implement a totalitarian police state in the United States.

Here's a website where you can download 9/11: The Road To Tyranny:
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

The first 10-15 minutes of the film consists of Jones introducing the topic and is a little tedious to get through. But after that, the film really picks up as it goes into the evidence on Oklahoma City. So just be sure to get through that opening part because the rest of the film is outstanding.


FUTURE OF THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT

An August 2004 poll found that half of New York City residents believed the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks:

Zogby Poll Finds 50% of NYC Residents Believe U.S. Government Complicit in 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

What do you think those numbers are like today, and all across the country? More and more people are waking up to the truth about 9/11 every day. This is because of the evidence. The facts do not support the official story. It's similar to the Kennedy assassination. The official story is absurd, and people eventually learned the truth. Now, around 70-75% of the public does not believe the government’s story on the Kennedy assassination. The same will happen with 9/11. In the near future, the majority of people in America will know the truth about 9/11: that a criminal element within and controlling our government orchestrated these attacks. Those who know that the government was behind 9/11 will be the “mainstream”, and those who deny it will be like those who believe the Warren Commission report and that Oswald acted alone to kill Kennedy.

So, you can join those exposing the truth now, or you can continue to deny reality. Some people will continue to deny the truth to their deathbeds even if it is right in front of their face. But even if you deny it now, more than likely you will have to acknowledge it later because the evidence is overwhelming. And if you continue to deny the obvious, you do not matter. The future is for those who have the courage to acknowledge and face the truth. The choice is yours.


9/11 WILL BE REMEMBERED AS A WATERSHED EVENT

The 9/11 attacks are a watershed event. They have profoundly impacted the world, and are the pivotal event of our time. But not because they happened as the government and media says. The 9/11 attackst will be remembered as one of the biggest hoaxes of all time. It is the event that will shatter faith in established institutions, the mainstream media, our government, and begin to break down the illusion of our controlled two-party system. The truth about 9/11 will begin the process of loosening and destroying the Zionist power and control over our government and media.

BEST 9/11 INFORMATION ARCHIVES AND WEBSITES

Prisonplanet.com's 9/11 archive
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

whatreallyhappended.com's 9/11 archive
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

Killtown’s 200+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns': Excellent outline of evidence from mainstream sources exposing truth about 9/11
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

Killtown’s Coincidences and Oddities Page: Great chronological list of important 9/11-related information
http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html

Killtown’s 9/11 Links Page: Massive archive, including links to many other 9/11 sites, videos, forums, articles, video archives, books, etc.
http://killtown.911review.org/911links.html

9/11 Fact Page: Archive of mainstream articles exposing the 9/11 cover-up
http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg


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3/31/2006 12:15:46 PM

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3/31/2006 12:34:37 PM

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Do you think it is impossible for the U.S. Government to attack and kill it’s own citizens and then blame it on a foreign entity in order to start war?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

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"U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba By David Ruppe ABC News N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro. America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.""

The plan included “hijacking planes” and “orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities”? Hmmmmm. Doesn’t that sound familiar?

3/31/2006 12:37:44 PM

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3/31/2006 12:47:00 PM

THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING

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IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER

EVER





AGAIN I SAY

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3/31/2006 12:47:55 PM

BIGGEST SMOKING GUNS PROVING THE OFFICIAL STORY ON 9/11 IS A LIE

1. The WTC towers and WTC Building 7 were brought down with explosives. All 3 towers fell at virtual free-fall speed in a symmetrical fashion as buildings do in a controlled demolition. Given that they fell at virtual free-fall speed, it is impossible for the twin towers to have collapsed due to any “pancake theory” as the government says. There are numerous eyewitness reports (including from many firefighters and emergency personnel) describing explosions going off just before the collapse of the towers. And WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein has admitted that WTC Building 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition. Additionally, video footage of the collapses show demolition charges going off in all three towers.

2. Some of the alleged bin Laden video tapes are obvious fakes, using bin Laden look-alikes. Other video tapes showing the real bin Laden are mistranslated to deceive the public. Some of the audio tapes allegedly of bin Laden are really the voices of men impersonating bin Laden.

3. NORAD and the U.S. Air Defense did not respond according to standard procedure on 9/11, standing down for around an hour allowing the attacks to occur. For instance, Andrews Air Force Base is only 10 miles from the Pentagon. According to the official story, NORAD knew Flight 77 was hijacked around 8:50am. Yet, it took around 50 minutes until 2 fighters were scrambled from Andrews, leaving just minutes before the Pentagon was struck at 9:40am.

4. The U.S. Government was planning to invade Afghanistan months before the 9/11 attacks. The invasion of Afghanistan was not in response to 9/11.

5. The U.S. Government had prior knowledge of the attacks. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and top Pentagon officials got warnings and cancelled flights in the days before 9/11. Many foreign governments warned the U.S. Government prior to 9/11 about an impending attack.

6. Many others had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Insider stock trading reveals high-level foreknowledge of the attacks. A record number of “put options” (speculation that a companies stock will fall) were placed on American Airlines in the days preceding 9/11. Odigo, and Israeli messaging company, gave its workers a warning of the 9/11 attacks. And even New York City schoolchildren had prior knowledge of the attack. Are we to then seriously believe that the CIA, NSA, and other American intelligence agencies had no prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks?

7. Several of the supposed “hijackers” were later found to be alive after 9/11. The men’s identities were stolen, and the real perpetrators of the attacks used them as patsies.

8. Bin Laden is a known CIA asset, and the U.S. government actually refused to take him into custody on several occasions prior to 9/11. For instance, the Clinton Administration refused offers by the Sudanese government to arrest and turn over bin Laden in the late 1990s. They needed this him around as a patsy and boogeyman for the future.

9. The U.S. Government actually protected and aided the supposed “terrorists.” High-level government officials hindered FBI and other investigations into suspected “Al-Qaeda” terrorists inside the United States prior to 9/11. And some of the supposed “hijackers” actually trained on U.S. military bases. In the months before 9/11, George Bush actually signed a document (FBI document 199I WF213589) blocking anti-terrorism investigations related to the bin Ladens.

10. On the morning of September 11th, the government was conducting drills of hijacked planes crashing into government buildings (including the Pentagon). Was this just a bizarre coincidence? Hardly. These drills were integral to the success of the 9/11 attacks. They provided operational cover. That way, while the actual attacks were occurring, the people in NORAD and with the U.S. Air Defense would have their guard down and would think that what was happening was “just a drill.”

3/31/2006 12:48:23 PM

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3/31/2006 12:51:26 PM

Quote :

"Oh, the Merry-Go-Round broke down And we went round and round Each time t'would miss, we'd steal a kiss And the Merry-Go-Round went "Um-pah-pah, um-pah-pah Um-pah! Um-pah! Um-pah-pah-pah!' Oh, the Merry-Go-Round broke down And it made the darndest sound, The lights went low, we both said "Oh!" And the Merry-Go-Round went "Um-pah-pah, um-pah-pah Um-pah! Um-pah! Um-pah-pah-pah!' Oh what fun - a wonderful time Finding love for only a dime. Oh, the Merry-Go-Round broke down But you don't see me frown Things turned out fine and now she's mine - Cause the the Merry-Go-Round went "Um-pah-pah, um-pah-pah Um-pah! Um-pah! Um-pah-pah-pah!" Oh, the Merry-Go-Round broke down"

3/31/2006 12:51:30 PM

A KNOWN CIA ASSET

THAT IS 100% PROVEN FACT

3/31/2006 12:53:17 PM

ZIONIST POWER OVER U.S. GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA CONFIRMED BY RENOWNED AMERICAN SCHOLARS

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r

Quote :

"Pro-Israel lobby in U.S. under attack WASHINGTON, March 20 (UPI) -- Two of America's top scholars have published a searing attack on the role and power of Washington's pro-Israel lobby in a British journal, warning that its "decisive" role in fomenting the Iraq war is now being repeated with the threat of action against Iran. And they say that the Lobby is so strong that they doubt their article would be accepted in any U.S.-based publication. Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, author of "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kenney School, and author of "Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy," are leading figures American in academic life. They claim that the Israel lobby has distorted American policy and operates against American interests, that it has organized the funneling of more than $140 billion dollars to Israel and "has a stranglehold" on the U.S. Congress, and its ability to raise large campaign funds gives its vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations, while its role in Washington think tanks on the Middle East dominates the policy debate. And they say that the Lobby works ruthlessly to suppress questioning of its role, to blacken its critics and to crush serious debate about the wisdom of supporting Israel in U.S. public life. "Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts -- or by suggesting that critics are anti-Semites -- violates the principle of open debate on which democracy depends," Walt and Mearsheimer write. "The inability of Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these important issues paralyses the entire process of democratic deliberation. Israel's backers should be free to make their case and to challenge those who disagree with them, but efforts to stifle debate by intimidation must be roundly condemned," they add, in the 12,800-word article published in the latest issue of The London Review of Books. The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives" within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the war on Iraq. "The main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests." "The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP (Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write. The article, which is already stirring furious debate in U.S. academic and intellectual circles, also explores the historical role of the Lobby. "For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel," the article says."

The "Israeli Lobby" has a "stranglehold on Congress" and "vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations"? Fanatical pro-Israel Jewish neo-conservatives were the "driving force" behind the Iraq War? They work "ruthlessly" to suppress criticism and debate of Zionist/Israeli influence, including smearing critics with charges of "anti-Semitism"? And they have power over the press as to prevent publication of this article (and other similar criticism)?

I guess those "anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists" who allege powerful Zionist influence on our government and media may be RIGHT after all!


Full paper, "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" from London Review of Books website:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

Link to paper in pdf format from Harvard's website:
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011

3/31/2006 12:53:41 PM

THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE

IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER

EVER





AGAIN I SAY

GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB

3/31/2006 12:54:23 PM

PNAC AND THE PUBLICALLY STATED U.S. POLICY OF WAGING WAR FOR CONTROL OF MIDDLE EAST AND CENTRAL ASIAN OIL RESOURCES

Sydney Morning Herald: "Defence redefined means securing cheap energy"
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/25/1040511092926.html

Quote :

"December 26 2002 [...] As far back as 1975, Henry Kissinger, then secretary of state, said America was prepared to wage war over oil. Separate plans advocating US conquest of Saudi oilfields were published in the '70s. So it should come as little surprise that in May last year - four months before the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York - a battle plan for Afghanistan was already being reviewed by the US Command that would carry it out after September 11. Military strategists were highlighting the energy wealth of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia and its importance to America's "security"."

The Zionists, Israelis, and neo-con warhawks with enormous influence over our government are using the U.S. military to fight wars that advance their agenda of global domination and control. Think that global domination is not their goal? The neo-con think tank "The Project for the New American Century" admits this:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

Quote :

"Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

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"As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests? [...] America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership."

Hmmmm. We need to "shape circumstances" in the Middle East and Asia to be favorable to American interests in order for "American global leadership." All of this is for good purposes, of course. It's for "peace" and "security" and good stuff like that. Just like the Iraq war was "for peace" and "for our security." "Freedom is on the march." They're not lying. Really. And yes, technically it is American global domination. But don't call it that. Just call it "global leadership."

3/31/2006 12:55:29 PM

THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE

IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER

EVER





AGAIN I SAY

GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB

3/31/2006 12:56:05 PM

THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE

IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER

EVER





AGAIN I SAY

GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB

3/31/2006 12:56:28 PM

CONCLUSIVE PROOF THE U.S. WAS PLANNING TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN PRIOR TO 9/11

A battle plan for Afghanistan was being reviewed by the US Command 4 MONTHS before the 9/11 attacks:

Sydney Morning Herald: "Defence redefined means securing cheap energy"
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/25/1040511092926.html

Quote :

""As far back as 1975, Henry Kissinger, then secretary of state, said America was prepared to wage war over oil. Separate plans advocating US conquest of Saudi oilfields were published in the '70s. So it should come as little surprise that in May last year - four months before the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York - a battle plan for Afghanistan was already being reviewed by the US Command that would carry it out after September 11. Military strategists were highlighting the energy wealth of the Caspian Sea and Central Asia and its importance to America's "security"."

More confirmation:

BBC-"US 'planned attack on Taleban'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

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"A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks."

Prisonplanet's "Pre-Sept. 11 plan to invade Afghanistan" Archive:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#preplan

3/31/2006 12:56:40 PM

THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE

IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER

EVER





AGAIN I SAY

GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB

3/31/2006 12:57:46 PM

PUBLIC AWAKENING TO TRUTH ABOUT 9/11, AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA STARTING TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS WITH OFFICIAL STORY

August 2004 Zogby poll finds that half of New York City residents believed the government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

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"Released: August 30, 2004 Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5."

Questioning the official 9/11 story is no longer just for those on the internet and in the "alternative" media. Even the controlled "mainstream" media is now giving attention to skeptics of the official story and acknowledging that there are indeed legitimate questions to be answered and problems with the official story. Too many people are starting to question it, and even the MSM now has to address the issue.

Here's a Miami Herald article in response to the BYU Professor's group. The article acknowledges that there are serious questions about 9/11 that need to be answered:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/13760721.htm

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"9/11 ATTACKS: Avoiding the hard questions Feb. 01, 2006 ROBERT STEINBACK [...] This is the worst possible time for probe-ophobia to grip us. Our nation was irretrievably transformed by 9/11 -- and yet there remain troubling questions about what really happened before, during and after that day. Rather than demanding a full and fearless vetting to hone in on the truth and silence the conjecture about 9/11, many Americans remain unwilling to peer into the microscope. [...] A group of experts and academicians 'devoted to applying the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence, `letting the chips fall where they may,' '' last week accused the government of covering up evidence that the three destroyed New York City buildings were brought down that day by controlled demolition rather than structural failure. The group, called Scholars for 9/11 Truth, has a website, http://www.st911.org. The reflexive first reaction is incredulity -- how, one asks, could anyone even contemplate, never mind actually do such a barbaric thing? But before you shut your mind, check the resumés -- these aren't Generation X geeks subsisting on potato chips and PlayStation. Then look at the case they present. [...] The group asks, for example, • How did a fire fed by jet fuel, which at most burns at 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit, cause the collapse of the Twin Towers, built of steel that melts at 2,800 degrees? (Most experts agree that the impact of airliners, made mostly of lightweight aluminum, should not have been enough alone to cause structural failure.) How could a single planeload of burning jet fuel -- most of which flared off in the initial fireball -- cause the South World Trade Center tower to collapse in just 56 minutes? • Why did building WTC-7 fall, though no aircraft struck it? Fire alone had never before caused a steel skyscraper to collapse. • Why did all three buildings collapse largely into their own footprints -- in the style of a controlled demolition? • Why did no U.S. military jet intercept the wayward aircraft? • Why has there been no investigation of BBC reports that five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were alive and accounted for after the event? Our current probe-ophobia is due in part to the political landscape: When one party holds all the cards, any call to investigate an alleged abuse of power or cover-up -- no matter how valid -- will look like a partisan vendetta. Those in power never want to investigate themselves. Maybe that's politics; he who holds the hammer drives the nails. But the outrage of 9/11 transcends party affiliation. We need all the outstanding questions answered -- wherever the chips may fall."

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:00 PM. Reason : ```]

3/31/2006 12:58:18 PM

we make battle plans to attack all types of countries all the time

right now, there is a plan to nuke the shit out of

a) russian

b) china

c) north korea

d) iran

e) france

if you knew anything about the way things work, you would know this

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 12:59:12 PM

if you say you planned out all this bullshit, you admit you're a faggot

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:02 PM. Reason : *]

3/31/2006 12:59:29 PM

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Yes. I planned out the information to present in this thread.

VILLAGE VOICE QUESTIONS WHY WTC BUILDING 7 AND THE TWIN TOWERS FELL

http://villagevoice.com/news/0549,murphy,70685,6.html

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"Open and Shut Four years later, we still have ten big questions by Jarrett Murphy December 5th, 2005 [...] 6. Why did 7 WTC fall? [...] 7. How did the twin towers fall? Many FDNY personnel who saw the south tower collapse reported explosions at the lower levels as the top began collapsing. These reports, as well as "squibs" of smoke seen on video of the collapses, have led to theories that the towers were brought down in controlled explosions. NIST dismisses these notions, claiming that the puffs of smoke were the result of air being forced down by the top of the tower collapsing. NIST said the towers fell because the planes shook fireproofing loose from the steel superstructure, and the fire heated the floor-supporting trusses so much that they pulled in on support columns that were already holding more than their regular load. But NIST's computer simulation stops at the point the collapse begins, and does not document exactly how the rest of the buildings crumbled in 10 seconds. The reason for this omission could be the sheer complexity of the computations—even NIST's simplified model took weeks to run on a computer. Conspiracy theorists aren't the only ones who dispute NIST's version: Some fire scientists also take issue with the institute's methods and conclusions. And the point isn't just historical. The lessons learned from the WTC collapse will inform decisions about the safety of other modern office towers."

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3/31/2006 1:02:43 PM

he planned it out... the other times hes pasted the same things

he's probably cutting and pasting from his own threads

3/31/2006 1:03:04 PM

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DELIBERATELY LIED ABOUT THE GULF OF TONKIN INCIDENT AND FAKED INTELLIGENCE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE PRETEXT FOR THE VIETNAM WAR:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/intelligence-on-vietnam-war-faked/2005/11/01/1130823207423.html

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"Intelligence on Vietnam War faked November 2, 2005 One of America's top spy agencies faked key intelligence used to justify its intervention in the Vietnam War, it has been revealed."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/washington-hid-damaging-vietnam-finding/2005/10/31/1130720481924.html

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"Washington hid damaging Vietnam finding Date: November 1 2005 By Scott Shane in Washington The US National Security Agency has kept secret a 2001 finding by its own historian that its officers deliberately distorted critical intelligence during the Tonkin Gulf episode that helped precipitate the Vietnam War. The historian's conclusion was the first serious accusation that the agency's intercepts were falsified to support the belief North Vietnamese ships attacked US destroyers on August 4, 1964, two days after a previous clash. Most historians have concluded in recent years there was no second attack, but they have assumed the agency's intercepts were unintentionally misread, not purposely altered. The research by Robert Hanyok, the agency's historian, was detailed four years ago in an in-house article that remains secret, in part because agency officials feared its release might prompt uncomfortable comparisons with the flawed intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq, according to an intelligence official."

30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261

3/31/2006 1:03:28 PM

i don't understand

what you getting out of this

we know that the tonkin gulf affair was a lie

what's your fucking point?

there's a difference between faking a sonar signal and throwing a plane into a building

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 1:04:32 PM

give him a second, its harder to find a website that has his point he can cut and paste

3/31/2006 1:05:34 PM

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"there's a difference between faking a sonar signal and throwing a plane into a building"

Did you see what I posted on Operation Northwoods? In the 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to fake hijacking planes and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create the pretext for a war against Cuba.

And here's another example, showing how the government is capable of perpetrating these acts:

1995 OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING OF ALFRED P. MURRAH FEDERAL BUILDING. 100% CONCLUSIVE CASE OF GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED TERROR

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"The 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City is another clear-cut case of government-sponsored terror. The evidence proving government involvement and a cover-up is 100% conclusive. The BATF, which had offices in the Murrah building had prior knowledge of the bombing and did not show up to their offices the morning of the bombing. Oklahoma City local news channels reported that there were multiple explosive devices removed from inside the building. McVeigh’s truck bomb did not cause the damage to the Murrah building. It was a diversion to cover the fact that bombs were inside the building (evidence which would lead back to the true culprits), and McVeigh was the patsy."

Video footage from Oklahoma City local news channels reporting that multiple unexploded bombs were removed from the Murrah Building and reporting on BATF prior knowledge is included in Alex Jones' film 9/11: The Road To Tyranny. The portion of the film covering Oklahoma City begins about 15 minutes into the film and lasts about 30 minutes.

Download 9/11: The Road To Tyranny here:
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

Website with numerous links to audio of Ok. City local news reports
http://www.welfarestate.com/okc/

Audio of News reports detailing additional bombs in the Murrah Building
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/cnn041995.mp3
(right click link & select 'Save Target As' to download)

whatreallyhappened's Oklahoma City page:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html

McVeigh, Nichols 'did not act alone': OKC investigating committee concludes U.S. 'had prior knowledge of the bombing'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22684

Witnesses heard multiple explosions; Experts say Murrah Building damage not done by truck blast alone
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22874

Was FBI early arrival in Oklahoma City?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26115

OKC Bombshell Implicates Feds In Murrah Blast
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/okc_bombshell.html

FEDERAL MURDER INC. TIED TO OKC TERROR BOMBING
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/federal_murder.html

The New American article on additional bombs in Murrah Federal Building:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/vo14no15/vo14no15_bombs.htm

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:08 PM. Reason : ````]

3/31/2006 1:06:53 PM

yeah, the government does fucked up shit

WE ALL KNOW THIS

you don't have to "prove" that

what you do have to prove is that 9/11 was orchastrated by the governement

that they were complicit in the death of over 3000 americans

CAN YOU DO THIS?

3/31/2006 1:08:19 PM

Occam’s Razor and 9-11 Conspiracy Theories

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" Are You Sure Laughing at Conspiracy Theories Makes You Smart? By Ron Leighton (from Twain's Ghost (http://twains_ghost.typepad.com/my_blog/2005/11/occams_razor_an.html)-See original for hyperlinks) One of the favoritest pastimes of nationalist ass-kissers , deaf, dumb and blind flag-wavers and those who just want a shortcut to looking smart (and this) is to laugh about (most) Conspiracy Theories, a category of weirdness far worse, it is felt, than say ‘liberal’, for instance. As for booby prizes, they go to those, right, left and center, who chuckle the loudest and most-snearingly about “Conspiracy Theories”, while the raspberries are reserved for those who consider them to one extent of another, no matter how carefully. It’s a sure sign of intellectual pretension to ridicule “conspiracy theories.” Rarely is much thought given to distinguish one theory from another or to evaluate any of them on their merits. For instance, Bill Clinton being a secret Communist who consorts with bisexual dwarves is put in the same “Conspiracy Theory” category as is questions about 9-11. A relevant example is the post of a ‘Svenis’ person at this site. He or she mixes crazy and more plausible theories about 9-11, smearing and dismissing the latter in the process. The problem, in part, is that one of the persons he argues with, one ‘Bushwhacker’, doesn’t help when he mixes stuff himself without apparently evaluating some of them. There are always really wacky or just plain factually challenged theories , and they never help either (which raises potential questions about the origins of those ideas). The only thing that matters, though, to the Conspiracy-mockers is the question: Does the Conspiracy Theory reflect badly on their beloved America (the concept, not the place or the people)? And this is crucial. If so, it is rejected out of hand as mere “anti-Americanism.” If the Conspiracy Theory, on the other hand, reflects well on their beloved America (the concept, not the place or the people), it gets the reverse treatment: blind and complete acceptance. Republicans and others, without seeing the irony, call the science behind the idea of global warming “junk science.” Something similar happens with “conspiracy theories”. Case in point is the competing theories about 9-11. The Official Conspiracy Theory starring Osama Bin Laden and 19 mysterious hijackers is simply unquestionable no matter how many questions and contradictions remain, no matter how “junk science” it is. Conversely, any theory, and there are many, of various quality, that questions the Official Conspiracy Theory starring Osama Bin Laden and 19 mysterious hijackers is immediately and completely laughable, by default – and this is considered obvious, not challengeable, putting the entire matter in the realm of faith, not reason. The more sophisticated of the Conspiracy Theory mockers who fancy themselves debunkers deploy the logical principle known as Occam’s Razor, or often merely appear to. Occam’s Razor is a logical principle “attributed to the mediaeval philosopher William of Occam (or Ockham)” which “states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.” Of course, it happens that Occam’s Razor is often thrown around carelessly and thoughtlessly, a prop for political theater posing as serious, open-minded discussion, much like Republicans scream “junk science” when defending junk science. Sometimes the Razor-wielder doesn’t realize how dripping with irony it is to ridicule a Conspiracy Theory via Occam’s Razor while failing to recognize how deep it might cut into their own preferred, politically-correct, pro-America theories. The best recent example I can think of that deploys the logical principle of Occam’s Razor in such a way as to discredit conventional theories in favor of a “conspiracy theory” is BYU physics Professor Steven E. Jones’ paper ‘Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse’. In this paper, which I invite everyone to read, Jones makes a plain, clear and convincing case that, from a physical point of view, the controlled-demolition-caused collapse theory easily trounces the conventional fire/damage-caused collapse theory. That is, the former accounts for the facts far better than the latter while making fewer assumptions, in keeping with Occam’s logical principle. But do you think this will cause the thoughtless Bin Laden-haters, Bush-lovers and people who think they’re smart ‘cos they read Christopher Hitchens (or at least his headlines) to even think twice? It should, but in too many cases I think it won’t. The funny thing is, Jones’ paper will likely be cited, without even being read or seriously considered, as an example of crazy conspiracy theories. A lesson is that, yes, not every conspiracy theory stands up to scrutiny – an example being what Michael Rivero over at whatreallyhappened.com calls the Pod People (cited above). Not all conspiracy theories fare well in a confrontation with Occam’s Razor. And we shouldn’t latch onto them if they don’t. But don’t take anyone’s word for it. Scrutinize the scrutiny. Evaluate the case made by those who laugh at conspiracy theories, and look at what they promote in their place. And we shouldn’t adopt a belief because it does not contradict what we already know or wish to believe, either. But the relevant lesson for those knee-jerk Conspiracy Theory-mockers is that their own beliefs and counter-theories often do not fare well under such scrutiny either and that some of the theories they choose to mock, because its politically-correct and socially-acceptable to do so, fare much better under serious scrutiny than they could bear to realize. For instance, the more one looks, the more one realizes that the Official Conspiracy Theory starring Osama Bin Laden stands up to scrutiny about as well as the Pod People’s theories and the notion that Clinton was secretly a Communist dwarf-humper."

3/31/2006 1:08:26 PM

3/31/2006 1:09:31 PM

SEC Investigates 9/ 11'Short' Stock Sales Profits

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"A week after the Sept.11 attacks, the London Times reported that the CIA had asked regulators for the Financial Services Authority in London to investigate the suspicious sales of millions of shares of stock just prior to the terrorist acts. It was hoped the business paper trail might lead to the terrorists. Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a clandestine but official effort to resolve the market manipulations There has been a great deal of talk about insider trading of American stocks by certain Israeli groups both in Canada and Germany between August 26 and the Sept.11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Lynne Howard, a spokeswoman for the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), stated that information about who made the trades was available immediately. "We would have been aware of any unusual activity right away. It would have been triggered by any unusual volume. There is an automated system called 'blue sheeting,' or the CBOE Market Surveillance System, that everyone in the business knows about. It provides information on the trades - the name and even the Social Security number on an account - and these surveillance systems are set up specifically to look into insider trading. The system would look at the volume, and then a real person would take over and review it, going back in time and looking at other unusual activity." Howard continued, "The system is so smart that even if there is a news event that triggers a market event it can go back in time, and even the parameters can be changed depending on what is being looked at. It's a very clever system and it is instantaneous. Even with the system, though, we have very experienced and savvy staff in our market-regulations area who are always looking for things that might be unusual. They're trained to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Even if it's offshore, it might take a little longer, but all offshore accounts have to go through U.S. member firms - members of the CBOE - and it is easily and quickly identifiable who made the trades. The member firm who made the trades has to have identifiable information about the client under the 'Know Your Customer' regulations (and we share all information with the Securities and Exchange Commission.)" Given all of this, at a minimum the CBOE and government regulators who are conducting the secret investigations have known for some time who made the options puts on a total of 38 stocks that might reasonably be anticipated to have a sharp drop in value because of an attack similar to the 9/11 episode. The silence from the investigating camps could mean several things: Either terrorists are responsible for the puts on the listed stocks or others besides terrorists had foreknowledge of the attack and used this knowledge to reap a nice financial harvest from the tragedy. Adam Hamilton of Zeal LLC, a North Dakota-based private consulting company that publishes research on markets worldwide, stated that "I heard that $22 million in profits was made on these put options..." Federal investigators are continuing to be so closed-mouthed about these stock trades, and it is clear that a much wider net has been cast, apparently looking for bigger international fish involved in dubious financial activity relating to the 9/11 attacks on the world stock markets. Just a month after the attacks the SEC sent out a list of stocks to various securities firms around the world looking for information. The list includes stocks of American, United, Continental, Northwest, Southwest and US Airways airlines, as well as Martin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin Corp., AIG, American Express Corp, American International Group, AMR Corporation, Axa SA, Bank of America Corp, Bank of New York Corp, Bank One Corp, Cigna Group, CNA Financial, Carnival Corp, Chubb Group, John Hancock Financial Services, Hercules Inc, L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc., LTV Corporation, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc., MetLife, Progressive Corp., General Motors, Raytheon, W.R. Grace, Royal Caribbean Cruises, Ltd., Lone Star Technologies, American Express, the Citigroup Inc. ,Royal & Sun Alliance, Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc., Vornado Reality Trust, Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co., XL Capital Ltd., and Bear Stearns. The Times said market regulators in Germany, Japan and the US all had received information concerning the short selling of insurance, airlines and arms companies stock, all of which fell sharply in the wake of the attacks. City of London broker and analyst Richard Crossley noted that someone sold shares in unusually large quantities beginning three weeks before the assault on the WTC and Pentagon. He said he took this as evidence that someone had insider foreknowledge of the attacks. "What is more awful than he should aim a stiletto blow at the heart of Western financial markets?" he added. "But to profit from it? Words fail me." The US Government also admitted it was investigating short selling, which evinced a compellingly strong foreknowledge of the coming Arab attack. There was unusually heavy trading in airline and insurance stocks several days before Sept.11, which essentially bet on a drop in the worth of the stocks. It was reported by the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank involving former Israeli intelligence officers, that insiders made nearly $16 million profit by short selling shares in American and United Airlines, the two airlines that suffered hijacking, and the investment firm of Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the WTC. Apparently none of the suspicious transactions could be traced to bin Laden because this news item quietly dropped from sight, leaving many people wondering if it tracked back to American firms or intelligence agencies. Most of these transactions were handled primarily by Deutsche Bank-A.B.Brown, a firm which until 1998 was chaired by A. B."Buzzy" Krongard, who later became executive director of the CIA. More serious was an article in the Sept. 28, 2001 edition of the Washington Post stating that officials with the instant messaging firm of Odigo in New York confirmed that two employees in Israel received text messages warning of an attack on the WTC two hours before the planes crashed into the buildings! The firm's vice president of sales and marketing, Alex Diamandis said it was possible that the warning was sent to other Odigo members, but they had not received any reports of such. The day after, the Jerusalem Post claimed two Israelis died on the hijacked airplanes and that 4,000 were missing at the WTC. A week later, a Beirut television station reported that 4,000 Israeli employees of the WTC were absent the day of the attack. This information spread across the Internet but was quickly branded a hoax. On Sept. 19, the Washington Post reported about 113 Israelis were missing at the WTC and the next day, President Bush noted more than 130 Israelis were victims. Finally, on Sept. 22, the New York Times stated "There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried." Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a clandestine but official effort to resolve the market manipulations There has been a great deal of talk about the insider trading of American stocks by certain Israeli groups both in Canada and Germany between August 26 and the Sept.11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Government investigators have maintained a diplomatic silence about a Department of Justice (DOJ) probe of possible profiteering by interested parties with advance knowledge of the attack. On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given the prices at the time, this could have yielded speculators between $2 million and $4 million in profit. The matter still is under investigation and none of the government investigating bodies -including the FBI, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and DOJ -are speaking to reporters about insider trading. Even so, suspicion of insider trading to profit from the Sept. 11 attacks is not limited to U.S. regulators. Investigations were initiated in a number of places including Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Switzerland and Spain. As in the United States, all are treating these inquiries as if they were state secrets. "

3/31/2006 1:09:47 PM

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"Conspiracy Theories"

"CONSPIRACY THEORY" LABEL AND OTHER SMEAR TACTICS

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

-- GW Bush speaking before the UN General Assembly 11/10/2001

video of comment here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wackyconspiracy.html


Let's go back and see where this term "conspiracy theorist" originated...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/JFK_poll_031116.html

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"Legacy of Suspicion: Decades After, Few Accept the Official Explanation for JFK Assassination By Gary Langer Nov. 16— Forty years later, suspicions of a conspiracy endure: Seven in 10 Americans think the assassination of John F. Kennedy was the result of a plot, not the act of a lone killer — and a bare majority thinks that plot included a second shooter on Dealey Plaza. [...] Just 32 percent accept the Warren Commission's 1964 finding that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he shot Kennedy as his motorcade passed through downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Fifty-one percent think there was a second gunman, and seven percent go so far as to think Oswald wasn't involved at all. Sixty-eight percent of Americans also think there was "an official cover-up" to hide the truth about the assassination from the public. And about as many, 65 percent, think that "important unanswered questions" remain, four decades after Kennedy's death."

So, around 70% of Americans do not believe the official government story on the JFK assassination, and believe Oswald did not act alone and that there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy? OMG! That means 3/4 of Americans are "conspiracy theorists"!

So, remember, if you don't believe the magic bullet theory and the Warren Commission Report, then you're a "lunatic conspiracy theorist." Wow, these "conspiracy theorists" really are "nutjobs"!


What is a “conspiracy theory”? A minority or alternative viewpoint? Any version of an event that differs from the “official”, ”mainstream”, and government version of the event?

There was a conspiracy to commit the 9/11 attacks either way you look at it. It’s just a matter of which “conspiracy theory” you believe. Do you believe the government’s conspiracy theory that 19 guys masterminded by a guy in a cave caused NORAD and the U.S. Air Defense to stand down and pulled off the greatest terrorist attack in history? Or do you believe, based on all of the evidence and the ensuing cover-up of the truth, that a criminal element within or controlling the government are the real culprits? The government’s “official” story is the [i]real “bogus conspiracy theory.”[/i]

The “conspiracy theorist” label is designed to silence and marginalize opposition to the establishment story on any issue. It’s use is similar to name-calling and smear tactics, such as calling those who question the official 9/11 story “crackpot”, “hysterical”, “paranoid”, “nutcases”, “tin foil hatters”, etc. There is no substance or logic to these tactics. It is an emotional argument, designed to make you not consider the issue rationally. The mainstream media has conditioned people to have a knee-jerk reaction when hearing the term “conspiracy theory” associated with important subjects or viewpoints that differ drastically with the establishment viewpoint.

Those investigating 9/11 and government involvement in other terrorist events are not “hysterical” or making this stuff up for kicks. There is documented hard evidence supporting their arguments. These people are ordinary citizens genuinely concerned with corruption in our government who are simply asking questions and investigating the facts. And they have good reason to be skeptical, given the track record of the government and media on telling the truth.

If you are content with being continually lied to and deceived by the government and media, and letting them spoon feed you the information they want and shape your worldview, then that’s up to you. But that would be quite foolish. If you are genuinely interested in knowing the truth, I suggest you become skeptical of the “mainstream” sources, start asking question, start thinking for yourself, look to “alternative” sources of information, and start thinking outside of the mainstream.

The question is, will you follow in lock-step according to the conditioning of the media overlords and not consider this information because they have labeled it “conspiracy theory”? Or will you at least consider the information, evidence, and arguments of the opposing viewpoint?

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"what you do have to prove is that 9/11 was orchastrated by the governement that they were complicit in the death of over 3000 americans CAN YOU DO THIS?"

Yes. And I will provide the evidence here to conclusively prove it.

3/31/2006 1:10:38 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/23968.content.html

3/31/2006 1:10:56 PM

i got a better idea

instead of posting it here

why don't you complile it and send it to the FBI, UN...

i'm sure they would love to hear your conclusive proof

oh shit WHO YOU GONNA SEND IT TO, THEY'RE ALL INVOLVED

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ...]

3/31/2006 1:11:45 PM

A 9/11 Conspirator in King Bush's Court?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/a-911-conspirator-in-kin_b_15003.html

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"While Cindy Sheehan was being dragged from the House gallery moments before President Bush delivered his State of the Union address for wearing a t-shirt honoring her son and the other 2,244 US soldiers killed in Iraq, Turki al-Faisal was settling into his seat inside the gallery. Faisal, a Saudi, is a man who has met Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants on at least five occasions, describing the al Qaeda leader as "quite a pleasant man." He met multiple times with Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Yet, unlike Sheehan, al-Faisal was a welcomed guest of President Bush on Tuesday night. He is also a man that the families of more than 600 victims of the 9/11 attacks believe was connected to their loved ones' deaths. Al-Faisal is actually Prince Turki al-Faisal, a leading member of the Saudi royal family and the kingdom's current ambassador to the US. But the bulk of his career was spent at the helm of the feared Saudi intelligence services from 1977 to 2001. Last year, The New York Times pointed out that "he personally managed Riyadh's relations with Osama bin Laden and Mullah Muhammad Omar of the Taliban. Anyone else who had dealings with even a fraction of the notorious characters the prince has worked with over the years would never make it past a U.S. immigration counter, let alone to the most exclusive offices in Washington." Al-Faisal was also named in the $1 trillion lawsuit filed by hundreds of 9/11 victims' families, who accused him of funding bin Laden's network. Curiously, his tenure as head of Saudi intelligence came to an abrupt and unexpected end 10 days before the 9/11 attacks. "Nobody explained the circumstances under which he left," says As'ad AbuKhalil, author of The Battle for Saudi Arabia: Royalty, Fundamentalism, and Global Power. "We know for sure that he was tasked by the United States government back in the late 1970s and on to assemble the kind of Arab Muslim fanatical volunteers to help the United States and the C.I.A. in the fight against the Soviet communist regime [in Afghanistan]. In the course of doing that, this man is single-handedly most responsible for the kind of menace that these fanatical groups now pose to world peace and security." Yet, there al-Faisal sat on Tuesday as President Bush spoke of his war on terror and Cindy Sheehan was being booked. At one point, the cameras even panned directly on al-Faisal listening intently to Bush. The 9/11 families' lawsuit charged that al-Faisal secretly traveled to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar twice in 1998 where he met with bin Laden's representatives and Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. Based on sworn testimony from Taliban intelligence chief, Mullah Kakshar, the lawsuit claimed that al-Faisal allegedly received assurances that al Qaeda would not use "the infrastructure in Afghanistan to subvert the royal families' control of Saudi government." In return, according to the lawsuit, the Saudis promised not to seek bin Laden's extradition or the closing of his training bases. Al-Faisal also allegedly promised Mullah Omar financial assistance. Shortly after the meetings, the Saudis reportedly shipped the Taliban 400 new pickup trucks. According to the London Observer, Kakshar also said that al-Faisal "arranged for donations to be made directly to al-Qaeda and bin Laden by a group of wealthy Saudi businessmen. 'Mullah Kakshar's sworn statement implicates Prince Turki as the facilitator of these money transfers in support of the Taliban, al-Qaeda and international terrorism,'" according to the lawsuit. Al-Faisal does not deny he traveled to Afghanistan in 1998 for meetings with Mullah Omar, but he insists it was to "convey an official Saudi request to extradite Osama bin Laden." al-Faisal has a long history in Afghanistan. He worked closely in the 1980s with the both the CIA and the mujahadeen that would later form both al Qaeda and the Taliban. Ultimately, a judge dismissed the 9/11 families' lawsuit against al-Faisal and his cohorts, saying US courts lacked jurisdiction over the matter. But many of those families believe firmly that al-Faisal was connected to the attacks that killed their loved ones. The obvious question is: how does the president justify the ejection of a Gold Star Mother from the State of the Union, while openly welcoming a man believed by hundreds of victims' families to be connected to the attack Bush uses to justify every shred of his violent policies? During his speech, Bush said, "It is said that prior to the attacks of September the 11th, our government failed to connect the dots of the conspiracy." Perhaps he should have just looked over his wife's shoulder up there in the gallery during the State of the Union."

3/31/2006 1:12:21 PM

Don't think the government would use deception to start wars yet? How about the 2003 Iraq War?

TRUE MOTIVE FOR THE 2003 IRAQ WAR AND THE WMD DECEPTION

BBC- "Secret U.S. Plans For Iraq's Oil"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

Quote :

"MACON,GA.- The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed."

Downing Street Memo smoking gun that Bush Administration fabricated WMD threat to get public support for the war:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/12/AR2005051201857.html

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"British Intelligence Warned of Iraq War By Walter Pincus Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, May 13, 2005 Seven months before the invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that in Washington intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street. "Military action was now seen as inevitable," said the notes, summarizing a report by Richard Dearlove, then head of MI6, British intelligence, who had just returned from consultations in Washington along with other senior British officials. Dearlove went on, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD [weapons of mass destruction]. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.""

IMPEACHMENT TIME: "FACTS WERE FIXED" By Greg Palast
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0

Powell's Former Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson admits the Iraq intelligence was a "hoax on the Amerian people":

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060203/nyf073.html?.v=35

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"Powell's Former Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson Calls Pre-War Intelligence a 'Hoax on the American People' NEW YORK, Feb. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- In an interview airing tonight on the PBS weekly newsmagazine NOW, Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson makes the startling claim that much of Powell's landmark speech to the United Nations laying out the Bush Administration's case for the Iraq war was false. "I participated in a hoax on the American people, the international community, and the United Nations Security Council," says Wilkerson, who helped prepare the address.""

3/31/2006 1:13:10 PM

British MP pushes conspiracy theory over 9/11

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"Michael Meacher, who was environment minister in the UK until June this year, and is a member of the parliament for Labour, is arguing that the US government allowed al-Qaeda to murder 3000+ of its citizens to provide the evil neo-conservatives with the excuse to wage war for oil. Meacher seems to be a frequent reader of conspiracy web pages, and he pushes a lot of the typical nonsense that have been pushed by conspiracy theorists for decades, and which has been debunked many times. Given this background, it is not surprising that some have seen the US failure to avert the 9/11 attacks as creating an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already been well planned in advance. There is a possible precedent for this. The US national archives reveal that President Roosevelt used exactly this approach in relation to Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941. Some advance warning of the attacks was received, but the information never reached the US fleet. The ensuing national outrage persuaded a reluctant US public to join the second world war. Similarly the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". The 9/11 attacks allowed the US to press the "go" button for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement. The claim that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbour in advance is a common theme of conspiracy theories, but is not supported by evidence and certainly not accepted by well-renowed historians. The same claim has been made about Churchill, and is debunked e.g. here. Conspiracy theoriests, and that include Islamists as well as neo-nazis, often make the comparison between Pearl Harbour and 9/11 using very similar arguments. Meacher draws a lot of anger already, but I expect a lot more will be hurled his way when the Americans wake up this morning. He uses a lot of quotations that only seemingly support his cause, and some appear to be taken out of context. I'll be back with more. Update: a detailed debunking of the fighter plane claim here. Update 2: more detailed debunking, showing Meacher's dishonesty and misquotations, as well as his weasel-worded backtracking, here. Update 3: So where did Michael Meacher get his wacky conspiracy theories from? Look here."

http://blogs.salon.com/0001561/2003/09/06.html#a3396

3/31/2006 1:13:21 PM

ALIENS WERE DEFINITELY INVOLVED IN SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/sep/m14-005.shtml

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"ALIENS WERE DEFINITELY INVOLVED IN SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS ** Some residents of the American counter-cultural center Berkley, California, believe that the White House was concealing the truth about the attacks of September 11. People think that the twin towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed not by terrorists, but by aliens. After Flight 93 plane fell in Pennsylvania, local residents heard the sound of some flying object. What was that? Any flights were prohibited. And where are the bodies of those people that died in the WTC? They were taken away for tests and experiments. Aliens were definitely involved in the events of September 11. This is the common opinion amid some of Berkley residents. Berkley is celebrated for its protests against the war in Vietnam and hippie meetings in the 1960s. Local book stores have special sections devoted to various conspiracy theories. Each resident of the town has his or her own point of view on what exactly happened on that tragic day. There are a lot of rumors and myths going around the date of September 11. This is a usual thing for all other non-ordinary events. Myths and rumors were basically stirred up by the questions, to which had no answers. A lot of conspiracy theory fans paid their attention to the plane that fell in Pennsylvania. They cannot understand, how could the fragments of the plane be scattered around the area of eight miles? FBI affirms that it was caused by the strong wind. Yet, the sceptic people stick to the opinion, according to which the plane was downed by a pursuit plane. The great number of such theories does not testify to the mass psychosis of American people. It only proves that the people do not believe their own government. "

3/31/2006 1:14:04 PM

THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING

I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE

IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER

EVER





AGAIN I SAY

GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB

3/31/2006 1:14:15 PM

WTC BUILDING 7 WAS BROUGHT DOWN IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLTION

Here is one of the biggest smoking guns in the entire 9/11 event that shows the "official" story is a lie, and that the government and media are actively involved in covering up the truth.

First off, WTC Building #7 was a 47 story building in the WTC Complex. It collapsed around 5:20pm on 9/11, but the mainstream media did not give it much attention. Because of this, many people are not even aware of the collapse of WTC 7 (and just think the twin towers were the only buildings to collapse that day). Now, here's the question. Why is the media giving such scant coverage to such a major event? Well, it's pretty obvious. Because it is absolutely clear that the building was demolished using explosives.

WTC 7 was not hit by any plane, and only had a few small fires in it before it collapsed. Yet, it collapsed at virtual free-fall speed in a symmetrical fashion as in a controlled demolition. If you watch the collapse footage the center of the building collapses just before the entire building collapses. This is when the central columns were blown, so that the building falls inward onto itself. Demolition charges (or "squibs") can even be seen in the collapse footage.

Then, in a PBS documentary on 9/11, Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the WTC Complex, admitted that he and the NYC Fire Department made the decision to demolish the building. All the evidence shows was brought down in a controlled demolition. The government first claimed that fire caused the collapse of Building 7, but in the official FEMA report the government now claims that the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 is "unknown." And the media has hardly spoken about WTC 7 since the day of the attacks. The government and media are actively involved in covering up the truth about WTC 7. Why? Because it completely blows apart the official story.

Another important factor to consider is that it takes a long time (perhaps a week or two) to plant explosives in a building of this size for a controlled demolition. That would mean that the explosives were in place well before September 11th.

WTC Complex Leaseholder Larry Silverstein admitted in PBS documentary that WTC 7 was brought down in controlled demolition:
1 minute video clip: http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Quote :

"[i]"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department Commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is 'pull it.' And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse." --Larry Silverstein (WTC leaseholder)"

"Pull" and "pull it" are industry terms for triggering a controlled demolition. To make this perfectly clear, here is another video clip from the same PBS documentary where the term "pull" is used to describe beginning a controlled demolition on WTC Building 6.

video: http://thewebfairy.com/911/pullit/pull-it2_lo.wmv


WTC 7 Collapse footage. Watch the demolition charges going off at the top right of WTC 7 in the following video clip. Also notice how the center of building collapses first:
http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/WTC7COLLAPSE2.WMV


Here are some still pictures from the video of the collapse of WTC 7:



Notice the clear demolition squibs at upper right of building.


Excellent websites on WTC Building 7:
http://www.wtc7.net/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

3/31/2006 1:14:51 PM

seriously, stop posting shit we already know

their is a HUGE leap from the government being warmongering to blowing up the WTC and Pentagon

it's your lack of ablility to be able to make that leap that makes you a kook

3/31/2006 1:15:00 PM

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"their is a HUGE leap from the government being warmongering to blowing up the WTC and Pentagon"

The government murdered nearly a hundred people at Waco, and over a hundred at Oklahoma City. They planned to do it in the 1960s with Operation Northwoods. I'd say they have a track record for this kind of thing.


PHONY BIN LADEN TAPES

Here's another huge smoking gun showing the "official" 9/11 story is a giant fraud. Many of the alleged bin Laden video and audio tapes are fakes or misrepresented. It is clear that the government and media is trying to frame Osama bin Laden (and his supposed network) for the 9/11 attacks.

BBC: "Bin Laden tape 'not genuine'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2526309.stm

Here is a CNN article referring to a Dec. 2001 video tape that supposedly shows bin Laden taking credit for the 9/11 attacks:

CNN: "Bin Laden on tape: Attacks 'benefited Islam greatly'
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/

Now, take a close look at picture of the man from that tape that is purportedly the real Osama bin Laden. Here is a comparison of the photo of the man from that video tape and a photo of the real Osama bin Laden:



It is obvious that the man from the Dec. 2001 tape is not the real Osama bin Laden.

More:

The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

The Fake bin Laden Audio Tape
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_audio.html

Is the 2004 Bin Laden Video Tape A Fraud?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html

[B]BIN LADEN DENIES INVOLVEMENT, PUTS BLAME OF 9/11 ATTACKS ON ZIONIST JEWS CONTROLLING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND WESTERN MEDIA USING PROPAGANDA TO INSTILL FEAR IN POPULATIONS[/B]

CNN: "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks"
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

[b]Bin Laden has consistently denied involvement in 9/11
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/BinLaden.shtml

Take a look at this remarkable interview with bin Laden:

Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html

Quote :

""I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. [...] Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. [...] I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. [...] The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States."

BIN LADEN MAY ACTUALLY BE DEAD

FBI: "Bin Laden 'probably' dead"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2135473.stm

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html

Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/18/gen.musharraf.binladen/

agazine runs what it calls bin Laden's will
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/26/binladen.will/

Karzai: bin Laden 'probably' dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/10/06/karzai.binladen/

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 1:19 PM. Reason : ````]

3/31/2006 1:17:17 PM

11th Labor of Hercules and the # 11 Correlation of 9-11 WTC
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/columbuscorrelations.html

11th Labor Herakles Held the Twin Pillars of Atlas = Atlas Founded Atlantis = Atlantis Ruled by 7 sets of Twins
Two Towers = The Twins = Gemini ruled by Mercury = Hermes= God of Trade & Commerce = Lucifer (Ezekiel 28:16)

Comments from watcher webmaster: Today, Sept.11th, American Flight 11 crashed into the Twin Towers, christening the twin obelisks with the blood of its 92 (9 + 2 = 11) passengers. American Airlines Flight 77 unites with the Pentagon, in a fiery alchemical working on the 77th meridian (twin 7 's). Twins of Gemini are associated with Mercury, God of Trade & Commerce, also called Hermes, God of Information, also known as Lucifer, the Bringer of Illumination. Appropriately, Lucifer is the God of Trade according to Ezekiel 28:16.

THE COLUMBUS CORRELATIONS:
# Columbus Journey Beyond Pillars of Hercules 1492 funded by Royal Family of Spain

* Royal family of Spain & Pillars of Hercules (legendary location Gibraltar on Iberian Peninsula & Morocco)
o Twin Pillars of Hercules on Royal Family Crest because they funded New World Exploration
o Twin Pillars Crest on Spanish Dollar, becomes early American Dollar design
o Twin Pillar Dollar design abbreviated, becomes the Dollar Sign $ (with two columns, not just one)
+ US Dollar Design Symbolizes the Philosophy of the Land
# Just as Spanish Pillar Dollar symbolic of the Spanish Age of Exploration & New World Conquests
# Horus Eye in Pyramid on Back of Dollar Bill
* Horus = Mercury, Hermes, Thoth - Gods of Information, Commerce, Illumination
# Freemason Washington on front of Dollar
# Monument to Washington's Dollar = Monument to Horus = Twin Towers = Twin Pillar Reference
o Spanish Royal Family Defeat of Muslims 1492 - Iberian Peninsula or "Andalusia" or "Lusitania" Forced to Convert
o Ferdinand & Isabella claim victory over Muslims at Granada - Islam not allowed openly on Iberian Peninsula
o Muslim article says dates of Islamic defeats must be commemorated "for the rehabilitation of the Iberian Peninsula"
+ WTC Towers Collapsed Sept. 11, literally 11th day of 7th month, or * 7-11 * Muslim Warriors Success in America
+ 711 AD Year of Initial Muslim Success in Europe - 711 - 1492 Muslims ruled "Andalusia" Portugal, Spain, Southern France

# Columbus Identity

* CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS SYMBOLIC NAME:
o Columba Roman for Dove
+ "The Dove of Genoa" Catholic Reference to Columbus "Man of God"
# Knights of Columbus Fraternal "mason like" organization
+ Columbia symbolic name for America - District of Columbia supposedly means District of the Dove
# Isis in her incarnation as Semiramis is called The Branch Bearer, Symbolized by the Dove: Hislop's Two Babylons
* Illuminated meaning District of Columbia = "District of Isis"
* The Branch of Isis / Semiramis / Dove is her son = Horus
* Italian: Tradition has Columbus born in Genoa according to Catholic Encyclopedia (Roman Catholic)
* Spanish: Many say Cristobal Colon never claimed he was Genoese, and always wrote in Spanish Catalan
* Portuguese: Papal Bulls written in Latin still refer to him as CRISTOV& Atilde;O COLON not Latin Columbus, as one would expect

THE NUMBER 9-11 CORRELATION LIST:

* The date of the attack - 9/11 - 9+1+1=11
* Phone number to report life threatening events = 911
* "Eleven -shaped Building" Twin Towers Collapse on 9-11
* 11th Labor of Hercules Included Holding up Twin Pillars
* Flight 11 hit the Twin Towers
* Flight 11 had 92 on board : 9+2=11
* Flight 77 had 65 on board : 6+5=11
* September 11 th is the 254th day of the year 2+5+4=11
* After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year
* State of New York - 11th state to be added to the Union
* New York City - 11 letters
* Afghanistan - 11 letters
* The Pentagon - 11 letters
* George W Bush - 11 letters
* September 11, 1922 The British mandate of Palestine began - Osama & Islam Commemorate Date?

THE NUMBER 77( 7 X 11=77 ):

PENTAGON ON THE 77TH MERIDIAN, ATTACKED BY FLIGHT 77 Flight 11 and Flight 77 were both "twin" numbers. Atlas, whose pillars were temporarily shouldered by Hercules during his 11th Labor, is Plato's legendary king of Atlantis. Atlantis was ruled by 7 sets of Twins!
# 77 is an Illuminated signal, the number of the Revenge of Lamech, ancestor of Hiram Abiff the Master Mason.

3/31/2006 1:17:52 PM

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" Islam In Europe from AD 711-1492 STRAIGHTS OF GIBRALTER AND7-11 : On the surface, it is interesting that the US "royal" family the Rockefeller's financed the Taliban and empowered Osama bin Laden -- the alleged culprits in the destruction of Rockefeller's monument to the dollar, the Twin Towers. The date of the attack is significant in the history of the Jewish vs Muslim conflict. Sept. 11 would be 7 - 11 if the west reckoned the year as the Romans did -- March, named after their god Mars, was the first month of the new year, and September the seventh. Because Abraham was the father of both the Jewish and Arabic nations, the Jews through Isaac and the Arabs through Ishmael, contention for earth ruler ship exists symbolic of the rebellious spiritual forces ultimately behind earthly conflicts. This is because God promised to make Abraham's descendants not only numerous as the stars, but also joint heirs with Him over the earth through His Messiah. Abraham sent Ishmael away but maintained Isaac as his heir. The 1st Muslim expansion into 'Catholic' Europe began in 711 AD when the Berber Tarik-ibn-Ziyad, the Governor of Tangier invaded and rapidly conquered Visigothic Spain, also known as Iberia. Iberia is from the same root as Hebrew, "Iber". Tarik gave his name to "Jabal (mount of) Tarik" or, as we say, Gibraltar -- as in the Twin Pillars that adorn the proto dollar. Tarik sailed across the Strait by night, and so not to arouse suspicion used Visigothic ships landing undetected on Gibraltar. Within 7 years the conquest of the peninsula was complete It became one of the centers of Moslem civilization. Famously by 733 (22 years later) the Muslims reached Poitiers in France. There a the battle of Tours halted the Muslim advance. Spain remained at least partially under Muslim control until 1492 when Granada was conquered by Ferdinand and Isabella -- the Spanish royals whose crest is emblazoned on the Pillar Dollar. 1492 was also the date of the legendary discovery of America by Columbus. "With Granada fell all Spain's greatness. For a brief while, indeed, the reflection of the Moorish splendour cast a borrowed light upon the history of the land which it had once warmed with its sunny radiance. The great epoch of Isabella, Charles V and Philip II, of Columbus, Cortes and Pizarro, shed a last halo about the dying monuments of a mighty state. When followed the abomination of dissolution, the rule of inquisition and the blackness of darkness in which Spain has been plunged ever since. Conde as Quoted in Prescott, ‘Philip II of Spain,’ Vol. III. "Yet there were knowledge and learning everywhere except in Catholic Europe. At a time when even kings could not read or write, a Moorish king had a private library of six hundred thousand books. At a time when ninety-nine percent of the Christian people were wholly illiterate, the Moorish city of Cordova had eight hundred public schools, and there was not a village within the limits of the empire where the blessings of education could not be enjoyed by the children of the most indigent peasant, ...and it was difficult to encounter even a Moorish peasant who could not read and write." S.P. Scott in 'The History of the Moorish Empire in Europe.' The USS Cole was attacked on October 12, Columbus Day. This uniquely American "holiday" celebrates the date 1492, which saw both Infidel expansion into the New World under Columbus, and defeat of Muslims in Granada under Spanish Catholic Infidels. The Sept. 11 or 7-11 attack took down the "twin pillars" of the almighty US dollar, breached the pentagonal womb of US defense, and re-ignited the Muslim expansion that began in 711 AD. Osama bin Laden refers to the Muslim defeat of 1492! "Let the whole world know that we shall never accept that the tragedy of Andalusia be repeated in Palestine," bin Laden said, referring to the medieval Christian reconquest of Spain from Muslims. "We cannot accept that Palestine will become Jewish." OSAMA BIN LADEN - OCT. 8, 2001 Fox News SYMBOLS are used by Illuminated Brethren to 1) indoctrinate the unwashed masses on an unconscious level and 2) signal in a cryptic way to their fellow "Brothers of the House" , in a language that will be understood by fellow members of the Frer Macons (Free Masons). Sirius -- Egyptian Hieroglyph for Isis Sirius Osiris Boat of Isis Venus Aphrodite Ishtar AstarteThis is the Egyptian hieroglyph for Sirius, invoked by illuminated brethren in the ritual worship of Isis, Osiris and ultimately Horus. According to Masonic authors Albert Pike & Manley P. Hall, the religion of Illuminated Brethren is revealed in the Isis- Osiris - Horus Mythos. Note the three-part symbol for Sirius encompasses an obelisk, a star & half dome. Towers, Pillars, or Columns are all architectural references evoking the mythology of Isis & Osiris and the religion of the Illuminated Brethren. It is symbology that is recognized by * THEM * even if it seems mundane to the common sheeple. "

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/columbuscorrelations.html

3/31/2006 1:18:43 PM

MANY OF THE ALLEGED "HIJACKERS" TURNED UP ALIVE AFTER 9/11

BBC: "Hijack 'suspect' alive in Morocco"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm

BBC: "Hijack 'suspects' alive and well"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Guardian"Father insists alleged leader is still alive":
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/oneyearon/story/0,12361,784541,00.html

"Revealed: the men with stolen identities"
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml


THE REAL PERPETRATORS OF THE 9/11 ATTACKS USED FAKE IDENTITIES TO FRAME THESE ARAB MEN

FBI director Muller publicly admitted that there is no evidence linking the named 9-11 hijackers to 9/11:

Robert Muller admits there is absolutely no evidence linking the named “hijackers” to the 9/11 attacks
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm

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"The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper – either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere – that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. More on Israeli spying in America in connection with Mossad/Israeli involvement in carrying out the 9/11 attacks"

FBI ADMITS: NO EVIDENCE LINKS ‘HIJACKERS’ TO 9-11
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Conspiracy/20_FBI_ADMITS-NO_EVIDENCE-LINK.htm

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"In an April 19 speech delivered to the Common wealth Club in San Francisco, Mueller said that the purported hijackers, in his words, “left no paper trial.” The FBI director stated flatly: "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper—either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere—that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot." In describing Mueller’s evidence fiasco, Los Angeles Times reporters Erich Lichtblau and Josh Meyer, whose article was reprinted in The Washington Post on April 30, note that: Law enforcement officials say that while they have been able to reconstruct the movements of the hijackers before the attacks—all legal except for a few speeding tickets—they have found no evidence of their actual plotting."

The true perpetrators of 9/11 used skillfully made fake IDs with identities stolen from Arab men:

Expert: Hijackers likely skilled with fake IDs
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/


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3/31/2006 1:19:40 PM

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"The government murdered nearly a hundred people at Waco, and over a hundred at Oklahoma City. They planned to do it in the 1960s with Operation Northwoods. I'd say they have a track record for this kind of thing."

you sir are a moron

the government did murder people at Waco, but we now understand why

people died at Oklahoma because of some asshole who believe in conspiracy theories

3/31/2006 1:22:35 PM

you need to learn to moderate your distrust of the government and learn to think critically

it will help you in the long run

3/31/2006 1:24:05 PM

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"people died at Oklahoma because of some asshole who believe in conspiracy theories"

That's what the government and media want you to believe. The truth is that there were bombs inside the Murrah building. McVeigh was a patsy and the truck bomb was a diversion.

THE "AL-QAEDA" THREAT AND "THE WAR ON TERROR" ARE FRAUDS

Russian Intelligence Chief Says Al-Qaeda a Myth
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/21/shebarsh.shtml

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"U.S. Using Anti-Terror War to Gain World Oil Reserves — Soviet Intelligence Chief MosNews March 21 2005 On the pretext of fighting international terrorism the United States is trying to establish control over the world’s richest oil reserves, Leonid Shebarshin, ex-chief of the Soviet Foreign Intelligence Service, who heads the Russian National Economic Security Service consulting company, said in an interview for the Vremya Novostei newspaper. Using the anti-terrorist cause as a cover the United States has occupied Afghanistan, Iraq and will soon move to impose their “democratic order” on the Greater Middle East, Shebarshin said. “The U.S. has usurped the right to attack any part of the globe on the pretext of fighting the terrorist threat,” Shebarshin said. Referring to his meeting with an unnamed al-Qaeda expert at the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research organization in the U.S., Shebarshin said: “We have agreed that [al-Qaeda] is not a group but a notion.” “The fight against that all-mighty ubiquitous myth deliberately linked to Islam is of great advantage for the Americans as it targets the oil-rich Muslim regions,” Shebarshin emphasized. With military bases in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, Shebarshin said, the United States has already established control over the Caspian region — one of the world’s largest oil reservoirs.""

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Brigadier-shocks-and-awes-there-is-no-war-on-terrorism/2005/04/26/1114462041971.html

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"Brigadier shocks and awes: there is no war on terrorism By Cynthia Banham, Defence Reporter April 27, 2005 The so-called global war on terrorism does not exist, a high-ranking army officer has declared in a speech that challenges the conventional political wisdom. In a frank speech, Brigadier Justin Kelly dismissed several of the central tenets of the Iraq war and the war on terrorism, saying the "war" part is all about politics and terrorism is merely a tactic."

Founder of Delta Force: "There is no real threat to the US in the world", "Bush has formented world war three"
http://www.dailynews.com/ontv/ci_3641046

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"Our military is completely consumed, so were there a real threat - thankfully, there is no real threat to the U.S. in the world, but were there one, we couldn't confront it. "

The BBC aired a three-hour documentary called The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear, which argues that the threat of a vast and centralized "Al-Qaeda" network is largely a fantasy, and has been exaggerated by governments for the purpose of advancing their own agendas.

LA Times article on the documentary: "Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?"
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0111-31.htm

Download the documentary here:
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

3/31/2006 1:24:21 PM

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"THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER EVER AGAIN I SAY GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB"

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"THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER EVER AGAIN I SAY GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB"

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"THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER EVER AGAIN I SAY GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB"

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"THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER EVER AGAIN I SAY GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB"

Quote :

"THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER EVER AGAIN I SAY GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB"

Quote :

"THIS IS ALL ENTIRELY NEW AND WORTH DEBATING I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IDEA OR ITS "EVIDENCE" PRESENTED ON THIS WEBSITE BEFORE IN FACT, I DOUBT I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTED IN SUCH A BOLDED MANNER EVER AGAIN I SAY GOOD FUCKING JOB THEDUKE866, GOOD FUCKING JOB"

3/31/2006 1:24:33 PM