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"Wednesday, March 29, 2006 Underground rap fans can be some whiny bitches yo... This was inspired by an email I received the other day from one of our many 'fans.' I normally don't put niggas on blast like this, and I hope homegirl ain't no manic-depressive that's gon' off herself after reading this or nothin, but I have a sneaking suspicion that her asinine ass way of thinking may be representative of many more LB 'supporters.' She starts off with this: As avid listeners of your guys' music...my boyfriend and I must say that we're a little disappointed in some of your newer stuff...what happened, guys? Please don't go mainstream on us! You guys are an inspiration to hip hop in these dreary days of "look at mai grillz" and "I gotz mad bitchez". We still have mad respect for all you've accomplished, and we'll most likely continue to be some of your biggest fans, but just remember to keep on keepin it real...you started your fan base in the underground, so don't forget about us! I mean...waking every mornin with your hand on your dick may be ill in the mainstream world... ...but we here in the underground laugh when we hear rhymes like that. Now mind you, her statement was cloaked in all sorts of "Us v. Them" generalizations that I've previously discussed in my "Hypocrite" blog…..and I seriously laugh at any nigga who still uses the phrase 'keep it real' in 2006….but nonetheless I humbly replied back to her with: Sorry to disappoint......but we gon' keep doin' us regardless. Peace, Tay I'm done with it at this point, but homegirl hits me back again on some ole rhetorical question shit with: So basically what you're saying, is that despite some disappointment in the fan base that pretty much created your career, you're not going to recognize that fact, and continue to go down the road you're going, only to possibly lose some of your first and longest admirers for whatever reasons... Am I getting all that correct? Now, by this time, I'm starting to get impatient with this heffa for even coming at me like that….like I owe her some shit……but nonetheless, I humbly reply, YET AGAIN with: I don't make music for 'the fans.' I make music for myself, first and foremost. And if the music that I feel in my heart causes some people to leave, then fuck it....I'll holla at y'all niggas.. I'mma keep doin' me. Tay At this point, I done damn near forgot about this shit, but homegirl comes back AGAIN: I can understand that making music for yourself is a top priority, and I can respect that. But going from ill music, like the tracks from The Listening, and then jumping to something whack, like some of the newer stuff on your new mixtape, it almost seems as if someone from Atlantic is pushing you guys to do something out of sync with what you originally started. Once again, the whole 'Us v. Them' shit rears its ugly head….like, 'there's no way in HELL that my good ol' house niggers Tay and Pooh could actually LIKE that Neptunes beat……or that Bun B. verse…….say it ain't so!'……….But I understand where homegirl is coming from, because I usta be a young and misguided backpacker (read: music snob) like that……so I (barely) maintain my composure and reply to her: 'Whack' is a matter of taste. What you call whack is what many other people (myself included) consider to be some of the best and most honest work of our short career. Nobody at Atlantic is making us do anything....all the music you hear is out of me, Pooh, and 9th's own volition. If "Separate But Equal" is your last stop on the LB train, then fine. Frankly, I think you need to loosen up the straps on your Jansport. Peace, Tay You may notice that by this point, "Negro" has left the building. She wanted Nigga? Nigga here now. © ol' boy from 40 Year Old Virgin… She replies with: If you honestly think that your newest work is some of your best, then maybe you should cut that platinum chain from around your neck, because it's cutting off circulation to your brain. I stopped reading right there yo…..I couldn't believe that heffa would make such a sweeping (and subtly racist) generalization like that……. Ladies and gentlemen, I posted all these details because I wanted to truly show you why rappers sometimes hate their fans. THIS is the gift and the curse of being an 'underground' rapper, because underground rap fans can be like clingy girlfriends. They'll cook, clean, fuck you into oblivion, and support you until the end…….but they want you all to themselves. ALL. TO. THEM. SELVES. So, the minute you wanna go out for a little while and shoot some pool with the boys (i.e. a Lil' Wayne mixtape collab), that heffa is clinging to your feet at the doorstep screamin, "Pleeeease don't leave me……I know you ain't gon' neva come back! Cain't nobody luhhh you like I do!" Bitch please. In no way is this meant to disrespect our loyal fans who have bought, supported, and constructively criticized our work over the years. (And for the record, constructive criticism doesn't mean, "lemme tell you what I want you to do." Constructive criticism is, "lemme assess the situation, and give you my advice as to what will work best FOR YOU." There is a difference…) All of our true fans and supporters are always loved and appreciated. This is for all the music snob, backpack ass niggas who wanna keep LB in a box and are scared of the slightest bit of change……..as long as the music is dope, why should it matter? I don't consider myself a backpacker….I'm a 'head' more than anything else. Heads are the niggas I consider to be the best type of music listeners…..cats who can go from The Roots to Mos to Jeezy to Esthero to Tool to Radiohead to Daft Punk to 3-6 and not miss a step, because they appreciate good music for what it is. Am I listening to "Laffy Taffy" in my iPod? Fuck no. But at the same time, I ain't runnin up to the DJ in the club at 1:30 like, "Yoooo son…..you gotta run that new Belle and Sebastian joint!!!! That shit is so heavy in the streets right now!!!!" C'mon, now….. Trust me, if I wanted to do ig'nant….I could do ig'nant. I mean I could REALLY do ig'nant. "Cheatin" was just the tip of the iceberg. There is an entire Percy Miracles album in my head that I've yet to record, because I actually want to make meaningful music and don't want Percy to become the Latka to my Andy Kaufman, or the "I'm Rick James, bitch!'" to my Dave Chappelle……but shit…..lemme find out that our biggest 'fans' are also some of our biggest detractors who we can NEVER satisfy……I'mma cross over to the darkside faster than you can say "Dem Backpo'ch Niggaz." That's the name of my fictional thug group I'mma start producing…..check for our debut album "Twainky Fo' Seb'm" on Dopespot Records/Money Laundering Entertainment...... So in conclusion, I'd just like to say right on to the real, and death to the fakers © Big Rube. And to shorty who wrote me all those emails, I hope this blog really opens your eyes to appreciate good music and stop categorizing. The only difference between mainstream and underground is number of records sold, because truthfully, all rappers want the same thing: money, hoes, and clothes, we just go about getting it in different ways. (Do female rap fans still honestly think that underground rap niggas is asking you back to the hotel to just 'chill' and discuss 'the culture?' At 3AM? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) Life goes on, folks. And as always, I'mma keep doin' me…… "

4/6/2006 11:54:44 AM

You hit the nail on the head

WORDS

4/6/2006 12:20:42 PM

"Twainky Fo' Seb'm"
aaahaahahaa

4/6/2006 12:24:19 PM

i didnt read it all, and i dont even know who this guy is, but liked this line:

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"But at the same time, I ain't runnin up to the DJ in the club at 1:30 like, "Yoooo son…..you gotta run that new Belle and Sebastian joint!!!! That shit is so heavy in the streets right now!!!!""

4/6/2006 12:30:22 PM

haha

4/6/2006 12:31:57 PM

ahahahahahahahaa

4/6/2006 12:34:04 PM

well said

4/6/2006 12:53:25 PM

god damn.

excellent, excellent read.

4/6/2006 1:05:51 PM

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"Frankly, I think you need to loosen up the straps on your Jansport."

4/6/2006 1:07:47 PM

^that's the part I laughed at.

4/6/2006 1:08:05 PM

I don't know who this guy is, either, but I think he just wrote the "Some of Your Friends are Already This Fucked" on the topic of independent music fans.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:28 PM. Reason : f]

4/6/2006 4:28:02 PM

I got the impression that a lot of his new stuff was somewhat tongue in cheek, anyway.

Bitches and hoes be triflin' fo sho.

4/6/2006 5:05:57 PM

Cain't nobody luhhh you like I do!

4/6/2006 7:03:50 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=399542

4/6/2006 8:18:44 PM

lol i got a kick out of that bit myself

4/6/2006 8:27:59 PM

lmao

hilarious.

4/6/2006 10:08:50 PM

^a/s/l?

-ZiP!-

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 10:18 PM. Reason : PS: phonte was pretty articulate about his side of the arguement - support NC's LB yall]

4/6/2006 10:17:27 PM

anyone goto the chapel hill show they did the other night?

4/6/2006 10:28:01 PM

^ 21/yes please/on top

4/6/2006 10:28:14 PM

-ZiP!-

4/6/2006 10:29:26 PM

4/6/2006 10:31:53 PM

sounds like what i say about the motherfuckers

4/6/2006 10:42:47 PM

I don't really see how they've gone mainstream with their topics.

That said, I don't, and haven't ridden their shit, ever.

and THAT said, I do like their stuff. But no more than I like about 40 other acts.

but that girl is pretty much a nimrod.

4/7/2006 12:36:47 AM

i really hate to say this but

seperate but equal < minstrel show < chittlin circuit < listening

i still rock them though

whether they are "doing them" or not

4/7/2006 12:43:03 AM

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"god damn. excellent, excellent read."

4/7/2006 5:18:57 AM

The fans he is talking about remind me of most of the hiphop critics on this board. I agree man, if you like it good. If you dont then, you dont. fuck it.

4/7/2006 5:45:42 PM

the listening is almost a classic...hard to top that...for many bands or groups its hard to beat your first album...still, doenst mean you gotta blatantly whine to them about it...damn

4/7/2006 6:35:23 PM

was that post in english?

4/7/2006 8:28:23 PM

what post?

4/7/2006 9:20:12 PM

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"the listening is almost a classic"

4/7/2006 11:36:25 PM

The Unofficial Best of Phonte
http://rapidshare.de/files/19357687/Justus_Presents_The_Unofficial_Best_Of_Phonte_Coleman_Part_1.zip.html

5/1/2006 4:21:49 PM

people use the word classic far too much, in my opinion

I have the album, but failing to see what makes it a classic

5/1/2006 4:29:03 PM

I don't know who he is, but between the lines

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"Frankly, I think you need to loosen up the straps on your Jansport. "

and

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"But at the same time, I ain't runnin up to the DJ in the club at 1:30 like, "Yoooo son…..you gotta run that new Belle and Sebastian joint!!!! That shit is so heavy in the streets right now!!!!" "

I'm dying of laughter.

5/1/2006 4:32:36 PM

-ZiP!-

5/1/2006 5:37:19 PM

good read

5/1/2006 6:16:28 PM

kill all packers

5/2/2006 11:10:47 AM

phonte on porn

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" It's a late night and you and your boys done left the club. None o' them chicks in V.I.P. was trynna come home with you.....even though you and your niggas pitched in on a table and ONE bottle of Mo' (which is such a fitting name, cause them greedy hoes was Mo' than happy to drank up all yo shit).. When the club closes, yall spend a few minutes outside trynna parking lot pimp, but when it becomes achingly clear that all o' these hoes is either a) frontin, or b) gotta work in the mornin, yall say to hell widdit and roll out 6 deep in your boy's Honda Civic. After yall finish your chicken and egg plates at Waffle House and shoot the shit with all the ex-cons on the grill, you finally get to the crib and start goin through your cell phone for some late nite action: Kisha aint home. Tasha aint home. Shonda aint home. Meredith aint home. (Yeah, I know she white but fuck that......its all pank on the inside, and you really need to let one off tonight.) You even call your faithful, 6 in the morning, last resort jumpoff cause its the weekend that her kids are at they daddy's house, but even SHE is strangely unavailable tonight. "Ungrateful heffa..," you say to yourself. The love below start talkin to ya (c)Dre, so you figure fuck it and make that frustrated, blue-balled drive to the 24-hour porno store. Immediately, you walk past the gay cruisin niggas posted up outside and go straight to the 'Ethnic' section. You pick up two All Dat Azz joints, and take a joint out the bargain box with this random Latina chick you saw on Onion Booty gracing the cover. You head to the counter and pay for your smut, while the cashier shoots you that look like, "Its one of THOSE nights huh, young blood?" As he wraps your DVDs up in that nondescript brown paper bagging (you know, to protect your 'privacy'), you start thinking like Ron Burgundy about what stroke youre gonna use for tonights episode: "What will it be: the Corkscrew? The Lefty Lola? No, no wait the Head of Operations........" You leave the store, arrive home, pop in the DVD and plop down on the couch..eagerly waiting for that right scene to rub out a nice, frothy batch of man-sauce to. You finally click on scene 3 in the Chapter Menu, which results in optimum nuttage and complete satisfaction. 30 seconds later as you lay there in post-masturbatory bliss, stomach and fingers all covered in millions of future abortions, your phone rings. Surprisingly, its Keisha: "Hello." "Hey baby, waddup.I saw you called me." "Yeah, but that was over an hour ago. Im fitna go to sleep now, Ill holla tomorrow." *gettin mad cause you aint feelin her* "OH SO YOU DONT WANT ME TO COME OVER, NIGGA? WHAT HAPPENED?" "Cherokee and Mr. Marcus happened, ho." *click* Now, I'm sure that I'm not the only male on this site who has acted out the aforementioned scene at LEAST twice in his life. I bet damn near every nigga on here got at least 2 gigs of porn on they hard drive right now. But for me at least, I think my torrid affair with porn might be on its last legs yo.....the thrill is almost gone... For the record, I have NO PROBLEMS with porn as a business. I like porn because its honest. Porn clearly says, "This is for adults, and if you sell this to kids we will lock yo ass up." I have MUCH more respect for the porn industry than I do for an 'entertainment' industry that tells 13 year-olds that the hot New Song of the Day is about gettin some head.....but lemme stop before I offend niggas.....God forbid I actually make some sense...... For as long as I could remember tho, I always secretly wanted to be like a porn star ..or at least just fuck like one.. I mean, take away the STD's, the annoying light fixtures, the film crew, and the inescapable ball sweat from another man that steadily drips on you like Chinese water torture during the double penetration scenes, and its a pretty normal job.. I remember the first time I stumbled across porn at a relatives crib..A nigga was like, 8 or 9 years old and was trynna watch a movie til my mama got home from work.....the title on the tape said "Coming In America," but I figured 'ahhh, its probably that Eddie Murphy joint, my uncle just labeled it wrong.....' Boy, was I wrong.....lmao.... When I popped that shit in the VCArrah, my jaw hit the floor and stayed there. I was disgusted.....yet strangely fascinated. 'These women seem to like these men,' I thought.....'maybe thats what I gotta do to make these women like me'.......then I took that joint out and put in some gay shit like Care Bears so my mama wouldnt suspect anything.... So, as a nigga got older and finally started having sex, I always found it funny when girls would tell me that they enjoyed being with me. I found it funny because I wasnt even doin it for them......I was just performing for the cameras in my mind. Even when I tell wifey that shit now, she think I be playin.but I'm serious. This aint just sex, this a performance, girl. I came to put in work. 'Lights, Camera, Action.......yo freak is heah!' I thank porn for giving me that mentality yo..... But nowadays....and I dunno if this has to do with me gettin older or the fact that all my homeboys are havin daughters now or what, but I look at porn with different eyes these days.....its kinda like takin advantage of handicapped people in a sense.. I mean, in my eyes, theres no such thing as a well-adjusted female porn star. I know a few may claim that theyre the exception to the rule, but fuck that shit yo, theres a million other ways to make a buck other than cum-swapping and taking multiple dicks up your ass on camera. Women pay a higher price for promiscuity than men, and they KNOW this. A porn star chick could find the cure for cancer and win a Nobel Peace Prize.....shell always be known as that Nobel Peace Prize winner who got horsefucked by Lex Steele and Byron Long. So any woman thats WILLING to pay that price for a few dollars is somewhat damaged in my eyes. Mosta them broads are either victims of sexual/emotional abuse, rape, or in the words of Chris Rock, 'just missed a few hugs.' So in a sense, they're mentally handicapped by their past traumas. Most niggas wouldn't fuck a physically handicapped girl, so why would you fuck/patronize/exploit a chick who's mentally handicapped? I know I'm prolly gettin ahead of myself, and got niggas thinkin I'm actin all high and mighty and uppity and shit....honestly I dont give a damn what niggers think of me. This is just some shit on my mind that had me thinking. Porn/strip clubs, etc. dont hold the same thrill like they used to, and although I'm still somewhat fascinated with it like most niggas.....that shit wears on my conscience at times.......I cant even front yo..... My porno days are coming to a slow, gradual end....but until then.... One o ya'll niggas got a laink to Phatty Girlz 7? Tay "

6/10/2006 10:51:39 AM

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"its all pank on the inside"

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA

6/10/2006 1:17:17 PM

aha that part got me too

6/10/2006 1:31:10 PM

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"Heads are the niggas I consider to be the best type of music listeners…..cats who can go from The Roots to Mos to Jeezy to Esthero to Tool to Radiohead to Daft Punk to 3-6 and not miss a step, because they appreciate good music for what it is."

I really liked that bit.

6/10/2006 1:51:32 PM

he lost me at tool (and daft punk (and 3-6))

6/10/2006 5:50:03 PM

you ain't a head then, are you?

6/10/2006 6:05:57 PM

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""Heads are the niggas I consider to be the best type of music listeners…..cats who can go from The Roots to Mos to Jeezy to Esthero to Tool to Radiohead to Daft Punk to 3-6 and not miss a step, because they appreciate good music for what it is.""

yea that line made me respect him a little bit

ive always described myself at that kinda listener

6/10/2006 6:20:31 PM

good music is good music is good music

whether it be Mozart, Tool, Hall and Oates, Mos Def, Clipse or whatever

that cream always reaches the top

6/10/2006 6:37:15 PM

I like this kid (though I dont know who he is)

[Edited on June 10, 2006 at 6:39 PM. Reason : going to know in a minute though...]

6/10/2006 6:38:36 PM

He's in Little Brother.

6/10/2006 7:23:44 PM

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"then I took that joint out and put in some gay shit like Care Bears so my mama wouldnt suspect anything...."

6/12/2006 9:27:23 AM

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"I usta be a young and misguided backpacker (read: music snob) "

hell fucking yes

i have no clue who the fuck we're talking about right now

but like him more than i did 2 minutes ago

6/12/2006 9:37:23 AM

phonte on niggers vs. niggas

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" I'mma show y'all the difference between niggas and niggers..... As most of you have noticed, I've taken the liberty of adding the -er back to the end of one of Black people's most beloved words: nigga. Now generally speaking, the rule goes that 'nigga' is a term of endearment while 'nigger' is a racial slur used to describe the ignorant, shuffling, happily uninformed monkeys that roam the streets everyday under the guise of Black people. To be fair, I'll admit that all niggas have nigger tendencies. Every Black person has at one time or another exhibited nigger behavior either because A, it just felt good (talkin' loud as fuck during a movie), or B, the situation called for it (cussin out your child's racist math teacher at a PTA meeting). There's nothing wrong with bringing out your inner nigger every once in a while, but when that shit permeates your life on a consistant basis, and you find yourself consciously doing and/or saying ignorant shit more than half the time? My nigga, you's a nigger. And its time for us as Black people to cut the bullshit and call niggers out when we see 'em. We're the only ones who can save ourselves, and that starts by policing ourselves and not condoning ignorance. That whole bandwagon, 'supportin a nigga just cause he black' shit has got to stop. I know many apologist niggers would say that my line of thinking is just another way of separating Black people, and that I'm simply a pawn in the white man's game of divide and conquer. Miss me with that bullshit. Seriously. Call me whatever you want, but I don't consider every person of color to automatically be my 'brother' or 'sister' just because we got the same skin tone and nose shape. I deal with people PERIOD. And if you're not a person that's trying to better yourself and be a positive force in this world then I ain't fuckin with you. White, black, or whoever..... I love my Black people to death. I swear I do. But niggers done let me down yo......even moreso than white folks have. I say that because white and Black race relations in this country have always been volatile at worst, and uneasy at best. I mean, we were brought to this country in CHAINS, for God's sake. So like most niggas, I EXPECT white folks to rob me, steal from me, plot my downfall, and just try to fuck me over in general, cause its the American way. Call me crazy for expecting better treatment from my OWN people....... Its time for us to be Black folks and cut this nigger shit out. I'mma always love my niggas, but niggers? Fuck 'em yo. What's the difference you might ask? Nigga- sells dope Nigger- PROUDLY sells dope Nigga- goes to jail Nigger- goes BACK to jail Nigga- distrusts the white man Nigger- BLAMES the white man Nigga- listens to coke rap Nigger- DEFENDS coke rap Nigga- loves self Nigger- equates self-love to being 'bougie' and self-hate to being 'hood' I could go on forever but I think y'all get the point. What got me thinking about all this was watching "Block Party" last night and listening to that part where Wyclef was talking to the kids in the marching band. The one thing that stood out to me was when he told them niggas, "Fuck that, get yours." I respect 'Clef for that. Dude came to the country and barely spoke English. Fuck that, get yours. Didn't blame the white man, didn't make excuses, he just honed his talent and made something of himself. Fuck that, get yours. Niggers could learn alot from that. Let's all do better, y'all. Tay "

6/22/2006 3:18:21 PM

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=3822

8/21/2006 12:10:31 PM