sucks

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977

4/14/2006 9:23:24 AM

Definately sucks. But at least scouts know he wasnt lying about it now.

4/14/2006 9:24:59 AM

threadworthy?

4/14/2006 9:26:22 AM

that still doesn't excuse why he's put on almost 30lbs and stopped working out the rest of his body. He'll have to get a torn hamstring fixed via surgury, which will make him a hell of a gamble now. I bet he drops to the second or third round as a result.

4/14/2006 9:29:15 AM

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"threadworthy?"

For now... needs to stretch more.

4/14/2006 9:34:38 AM

so i can create a thread from every ESPN Draft Special and/or SportsCenter that I watch from now on?

right on

4/14/2006 9:49:33 AM

its a prominent player who was projected in the first round whose stock just took a huge shot

so fuck off

4/14/2006 9:59:25 AM

Great, this just makes it even more unlikely that we land a RB in the first round now

4/14/2006 10:07:18 AM

did you guys hear about Jay Cutler?

4/14/2006 10:11:39 AM

Now, maybe he'll drop to our 2nd round pick, doubt he'll go in the first round now.

4/14/2006 10:17:07 AM

out of shape people are the ones with hamstring problems

4/14/2006 10:17:32 AM

runners with overdevelops quads have hamstring problems.

4/14/2006 1:08:32 PM

steelers should draft him now

4/14/2006 1:11:20 PM

do NOT get lendale white, please panthers, dont get him

the panthers dont need a fucking ta mclendon

4/14/2006 1:46:24 PM

they don't need a younger version of stephen davis

4/14/2006 1:51:26 PM

^^ I agree.

4/14/2006 1:56:22 PM

^^i'll take a younger stephen davis if he can rush for 1500 and share the carries with foster, ie the "good" stephen davis of 2003

4/14/2006 1:58:28 PM

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"they don't need a younger version of stephen davis"

that's exactly what we need.

4/14/2006 2:28:14 PM

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"runners with overdevelops quads have hamstring problems."

white only did one more rep on the bench then the USC PUNTER!

they said it was embarassing when he took his shirt of

*hint, think man boobs...

4/14/2006 3:20:02 PM

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"that still doesn't excuse why he's put on almost 30lbs and stopped working out the rest of his body. He'll have to get a torn hamstring fixed via surgury, which will make him a hell of a gamble now. I bet he drops to the second or third round as a result."

aka , I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about so I will give my unvalued opinion.

30lbs? he weighed 238 at the combine, 244 at the USC pro day, 6 pounds, and claimed he was at 252 during the rose bowl, and could obviously still run. I still cannot find where he was 30 pounds overweight

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"In his three college seasons, White carried 541 times for 3,159 yards and 52 touchdowns. He also added 31 receptions for 331 yards and five touchdowns."

oh my, obviously a 'hell of a gamble' as a running back

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"He shows tremendous ball-security skills -- has yet to fumble in 440-plus carries (as of Oct. 28, 2005). "

[Edited on April 14, 2006 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2006 6:41:01 PM

i think the hammy injury is slightly not as bad as they are making it seem, i think he is using it as an excuse for not running and being out of shape at the combine. thats the only reason i could think of for him haveing a chiropracter diagnose the injury as oppossed to a orthopedist or medical doctor

4/14/2006 6:47:02 PM

or maybe he would rather win than be picked in the top 10?
but you could be right. he could just be lazy.

4/14/2006 9:45:40 PM

with all the money at stake from say being the 10th overall pick to say being the 32nd overall pick i dont know many people that rather win right off the bat than getting the only guaranteed money that they are ever certain off cut in half or worse for the chance to play for a winner. yeah winning is great but so is a big signing bonus and lets face it if his career is long enough he wil probably get to play for a winner at some point, but this could potentially be his only shot at a big signing bonus.

4/14/2006 9:52:03 PM

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"oh my, obviously a 'hell of a gamble' as a running back "

he is when he was running behind the USC offensive line.

I also like how you listed all the weights he was at when he played, but failed to mention the weight he came to the combine at. All the scouting reports claimed he had put on nearly 20lbs and stopped working out since the Rose Bowl, and he was a little over his ideal weight at the Rose Bowl. The NFL won't tolerate that shit from a running back.

and as far as his bench press, that has absolutely nothing to do with his squat strength or his quads. a lot of running backs have overdeveloped quads with weak hamstrings, and they end up with pulled hamstrings as a result.

4/14/2006 10:11:38 PM

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"I also like how you listed all the weights he was at when he played, but failed to mention the weight he came to the combine at. All the scouting reports claimed he had put on nearly 20lbs and stopped working out since the Rose Bowl, and he was a little over his ideal weight at the Rose Bowl. The NFL won't tolerate that shit from a running back."

this whole reading comprehension thing is new for you, I understand. please, you obviously dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

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"he weighed 238 at the combine,"

how is this not saying how much he weighed at the combine? you know, I will even go back and bold it for you... bottom line, he has played at 14 pounds MORE than that at 252, AT THE ROSE BOWL, can you fucking read at all?, STFU

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"a lot of running backs have overdeveloped quads with weak hamstrings, and they end up with pulled hamstrings as a result."

who told you we wanted to hear more of your retarded opinion?

[Edited on April 15, 2006 at 12:27 AM. Reason : .]

4/15/2006 12:27:27 AM

I'm telling you a medical fact. go read up on it if you're too fucking stupid to already know this.

As far as your other numbers, where'd you get them from? I doubt every scout and reporter in the nation would be bitching about the weight he put on if he actually lost weight.

4/15/2006 1:37:06 AM

Well regardless of how much he weighs and how lazy he was I think the panthers need to pick him up if he is available by 26th pick. The last time we had a bruiser back that was worth a shit we went to the superbowl and deshaun thrived behind him. The panthers need a back like him to jump start our offense and he is young enough to be that guy for years to come.

I would be lazy also at USC if bush was starting ahead of me and we were blowing everyone out (except the amazing rosebowl game).

Bottomline:
He should be able to contribute immediately (assuming the diagnosis is true). The word is out about any laziness or attitude problems he may have. I am sure any team that drafts him will watch him like a hawk and not let him go down the tubes because of the $$ they are paying him. Wouldnt be surprised if part of his contract had a stay-in-shape clause. The guy is a freakin battering ram of a back.

4/15/2006 4:21:14 PM

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"I doubt every scout and reporter in the nation "

hhaa, well I guess we know where you get your 'information' fuckin retard, im not doing your research for you

4/15/2006 4:46:17 PM

I'll take that to mean you made your numbers up then.

4/15/2006 5:27:17 PM

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513
see if you can find weight, fucktard

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3766128.html


or on USC's site
http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/usc/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/05-mg-sec2


omg, a reporter who doesnt think lendale will slip, oH no...
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?id=2408744

4/15/2006 8:32:08 PM

after reading those links, I'm pretty sure you just made up your numbers, because they didn't give the numbers you gave.

[Edited on April 15, 2006 at 9:16 PM. Reason : I'd also like to know where you got a number for his Rose Bowl weight; they're always inflated]

4/15/2006 9:15:28 PM

you are an idiot. if you can't read, i guess you cant find the numbers i have mentioned

4/15/2006 9:42:56 PM

no, I read your links and found different numbers than what you posted. you need to work on your reading comprehension

4/15/2006 10:01:12 PM

holy shit, lets see what the second link says

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"He also weighed in at 244 pounds — 6 pounds heavier than he was at the combine. "

damn, that sure looks like the same numbers i had up above. USC's info lists him at 235, which, weighing 244 would not make him "almost 30 pounds overweight"

4/15/2006 10:11:09 PM

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"and claimed he was at 252 during the rose bowl"

that's the number that's really in question here. his regular season stats said 230, and that's the weight he appeared to be at during the Rose Bowl. By not working out, he would have lost several pounds of muscle, yet he came to the USC pro day at 244. that's easily 20lbs overweight, but probably closer to 30 if he looked as bad and as weak as everyone claims.

4/15/2006 10:13:37 PM

I guess you're just one of the multitude of scrawny statistics gurus in here that have no understanding of body composition in sports. That would explain why you're having a hard time grasping this.

4/15/2006 10:15:06 PM

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"scrawny statistics gurus "

hahahah oh my, knowledge of football must depend on how a person is not "scrawny", good call

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"have no understanding of body composition in sports."

you are the one who has just pulled numbers out of your ass to make up your claims, good job

4/15/2006 10:25:49 PM

"and claimed he was at 252 during the rose bowl"


that's the number that's really in question here. his regular season stats said 230, and that's the weight he appeared to be at during the Rose Bowl. By not working out, he would have lost several pounds of muscle, yet he came to the USC pro day at 244. that's easily 20lbs overweight, but probably closer to 30 if he looked as bad and as weak as everyone claims.



252-230 = 22
244-230 = 14
a players published weight is almost always under what their top form weight is. is it possible that when he said "im not right physically" that he meant he was not right physically and maybe that he looked weak because he was sick or in pain and not because he was lazy?

4/15/2006 10:30:56 PM

i guess it might be of some use to say that even the USC site has his weight at 235, I guess they don't know his weight, but from reading some online articles, eleusis has determined his true weight...

4/15/2006 10:35:18 PM

If White drops to Panthers...we should take him...


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4/15/2006 11:55:03 PM

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"252-230 = 22 244-230 = 14 "

your math isn't right. first off, you know the 252 number is bullshit. Second, his LBM would have dropped significantly when he stopped exercising - probably around 10lbs or more.

so your equation should have looked like 244 - 230 = -10lbs muscle + 24lbs fat.

but you can keep arguing all you want to. There's a reason you will never be NFL scouts, and the people that are agree with me. and as far as being scrawny, that has everything to do with understanding body composition.

4/16/2006 10:45:30 AM

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"your math isn't right. first off, you know the 252 number is bullshit."

how do you know this number is bullshit? because you just made your mind up it was? I find it hard to believe that you know White's weight better than he does

4/16/2006 2:18:33 PM

everyone claims to be 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier on their gameday roster. besides, you never provided any link to back this claim up.

4/16/2006 4:50:58 PM

what the fuck are you talking about, the second link i have says he claimed that as his weight,

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"everyone claims to be 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier on their gameday roster. besides, you never provided any link to back this claim up."

please provide an example of someone who is 20 pounds differentthan their listed weight in college football, barry bonds, definitely, you have provided no links whatsoever in your makebelieve statements

4/16/2006 5:06:33 PM

no, your second link was about the combine and claimed his weight to be at 244. there is no link that states his supposed weight at the rose bowl.

as far as the numbers being off, you would know that were true if you knew anyone that played college sports. the only people that have their true weight listed beside their names are collegiate wrestlers. Why do you think they put that scene in Blue Chips where they annouced their names and heights with overinflated statistics?

4/16/2006 8:11:54 PM

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"everyone claims to be 2 inches taller and 20lbs heavier on their gameday roster. besides, you never provided any link to back this claim up. "

a fucking greed. not to take sides, but in the paper for the all region team I was 2 inches taller than I am and a good 50lbs heavier ...

4/16/2006 9:37:35 PM

eleusis is right

from highschool to college stats are inflated, except wrestling, and even then the weights become less accurate is they switch weight classes in time for 'lockdown' weigh-ins late in the season

4/16/2006 9:42:30 PM

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" as far as the numbers being off, you would know that were true if you knew anyone that played college sports. "

its really funny you say that, my cousin is a starting cornerback in the Pac 10 and he is exact height and weight that appears in media

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3707673

[Edited on April 16, 2006 at 10:44 PM. Reason : link]

4/16/2006 10:35:18 PM

well thats one athlete and im pretty sure there are a few thousand others that are listed at correct height and weight

because theyre at the weight and height that the coach wants them to be, or because they arent worth a shit enough to fabricate/project a height and weight for

4/16/2006 10:41:13 PM

^ i know this, I am aware that people inflate height and weight, I just think its funny that he tells me I dont know anyone in college sports at the correct height/weight and thats definitely not true at all, some players are misrepresented, but I doubt LenDALE White's is too far off, he is a big back, and I think people would notice if he was only a few pounds heavier than Bush during the season...

I also think lendal ewould be an awesome addition for carolina, I could see him shoring up their running alot.

[Edited on April 16, 2006 at 11:03 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2006 10:54:31 PM