he will not be as good as people say he is

4/24/2006 6:07:04 PM

so if i wanna start posting in sports talk more, i should just watch espn more

right?

4/24/2006 6:08:10 PM

I just hate how he's always like "I'm just ready to be the #1 draft pick!!"

ego much? A few other folks could easily be the #1 pick based simply on their position needs

4/24/2006 6:09:54 PM

if he does end up doing poorly

it wont be because of a lack of athletic ability

4/24/2006 6:28:16 PM

ooooo dang called out by mr. jackleg.

4/24/2006 6:31:47 PM

who was called out

4/24/2006 6:36:00 PM

He will be good.

If people are saying he is gonna be the best since XXX already, they are idiots.

But he will be good.

4/24/2006 6:36:43 PM

dude is going to rush the ball like max15-18 times a game

wtf

4/24/2006 6:37:55 PM

it's not like Davis sucks, they will just plug in a 2 back offense like they had at USC, plus he will be a good slot reciever and a great kick return man (if they let him do that).

4/24/2006 6:41:35 PM

but honestly when was the last time that worked in the NFL

eric bienemy was a failure so was garner to a certain extent

so was eric metcalf

4/24/2006 6:42:58 PM

see:
Denver Broncos
Caorlina Panthers
Pittsburgh Steelers

4/24/2006 6:43:54 PM

wtf are you talking about

4/24/2006 6:47:24 PM

we are talking about 2 different things

regardless, the texans also dont have the big back that the teams you listed above do


by the way

how is a #1 pick overall justified being used on a player that only plays 2/3 of all offensive possesions

4/24/2006 6:50:15 PM

Bush has the potential to do in 2/3 of the offensive possessions what many backs cannot do with a full load. I'm not saying he will necessarily be great or worth the first pick overall, but he is a phenominal talent that could just as easily be Marshall Faulk+ as he could be the next Garner. He is a playmaker and I think Davis/Bush could work better than the thunder/lightning combos we've seen in the NFL lately. Both Bush and Davis are excellent receivers out of the backfield and would pose quite a threat when on the field at the same time.

4/24/2006 7:01:24 PM

Quote :

" think Davis/Bush could work better than the thunder/lightning combos we've seen in the NFL lately"

If they can stay healthy for 2-3 years until they get a decent O-Line, maybe.

4/24/2006 7:06:39 PM

pat kirwan's newest omck has the giants taking mccargo in the second round

4/24/2006 7:16:22 PM

because that's obviously related to reggie bush ...

4/24/2006 7:22:11 PM

yup

4/24/2006 7:23:04 PM

If anything...

Reggie Bush = Kijana Carter

Because he's going to get killed behind a terrbile OLine.

4/24/2006 7:37:21 PM

^damn, thats harsh but true!
yeah, i felt the same about the ego. its like, i just wanna be #1. all of these guys should be happy they're in the position they are. best believe there are guys waiting for their chance to "shine" and are more talented than the ones drafted early.

4/24/2006 7:41:30 PM

I wouldnt say Charlie Garner was a failure...

he was nasty in Philly before he kept getting hurt on that shitty turf.

Remember '95 when the 49ers won the Super Bowl? And The Eagles beat them 40-8 that year b/c Garner went fucking haywire on them.


Then Garner was productive in SF and he was a 1,000 yard receiver (with a sick yards per carry) in Oakland on the team that made the Super Bowl.


My issue is that RB's aren't THAT valuable of a commodity anymore since there are so many good ones, so perhaps he's not worth the #1 pick (esp since they have a quality back already).

But without a doubt I think this guy is going to tear up the NFL.

4/24/2006 7:51:31 PM

he wont tear it up with out a good o line. and thats for damn sho!! only barry sanders could do that. i say he's not gonna live up to half the hype, which isnt fair to him. hes fast, has good hands, but hes not a work horse/bruiser. he'll be great catching out of the back field/ special teams.

4/24/2006 8:27:57 PM

Warrick Dunn is a better comparison. But Bush is a little bigger and stronger.

Behind a good O-Line, a guy like Dunn or Bush can be straight-up nasty. But without blocking, they can be neutralized much easier than a power back. So I would expect Bush to waste away for a few years before "realizing his potential" when he ends up on a team with a good line.

4/24/2006 9:21:06 PM

Garner was pretty good for a few years...



Go Vols bitches

4/24/2006 9:49:08 PM

^^ which equals charlie garner

4/24/2006 10:26:53 PM

bush can carry a full NFL load in my opinion

Tiki has his whole career and at the beginning of his career he was under 200 lbs. Bush is already 205 and can add a little more weight w/o losing speed

as long as his work ethic stays where it is, he will be a hall of famer (barring injury)

he just has too much gamebreaking ability...he can carry it 18-22 times and catch 7 passes and has the ability to take it all the way each time he touches the ball

4/24/2006 11:04:40 PM

in college football

4/24/2006 11:05:20 PM

vs texas, ucla, cal, oregon state, arizona state, arizona, and the other shitty defenses they played

4/24/2006 11:06:50 PM

^ and ^^ there are only a few people that come around that have his athletic ability

they compare him to gale sayers for a reason....he (as sayers and few others could) can cut w/o losing speed. That is just about impossible to tackle

I just think some people don't want to believe that he will be as good as people say he is going to be because when you hear of someone like him you just don't believe it is true so you WANT to find something wrong with him. That way if he doesn't pan out, that person can be like see, told you so and look like this great prognosticator

[Edited on April 24, 2006 at 11:09 PM. Reason : ^]

4/24/2006 11:08:48 PM

they also compare him to sayers because, like my friend sean said, he'll last about 6 years in the nfl

4/24/2006 11:09:42 PM

if that happens, then it happens

but sayers didn't last that long as you pointed out and is still considered one of the best of all time

like i said, if he gets hurt and loses some explosiveness then all bets are off

but if he stays reasonably healthy (as healthy as an RB can) he will be a hall of famer

4/24/2006 11:11:36 PM

he diddnt show me shit against texas! other than that td run. dont bring up his TOTAL yards either. every time vince shitted on that team with a td, that only tacked on 20 yds of TOTAL kick return yds for bush. same with all the other teams that scored 30 + pts on USC. so that automatically serves as an avg of 100yds going into a total yd category, just returning punts for like 20 yds. He's hype. damn good moves and etc, but more hype.

sayin he is a hall of famer before he even plays his first professional game is pathetic!!! c'mon guys wtf now!!!

[Edited on April 24, 2006 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2006 11:49:13 PM

6 years is a pretty solid carrer as a running back

4/25/2006 11:12:45 AM

^^i am not saying he is a hall of famer now

it is a prediction; i am saying that if he stays healthy then i PREDICT he will be a hall of famer

LenDale was the work horse against texas and that was by design; USC thought they were weak between the tackles and LenDale is a bruiser; Reggie accepted that and they still got him his touches along the outside which he still turned a few of those into big plays

also, he shattered a lot of his confidence when he lateraled that ball. It seemed like the rest of the game he was trying to do too much to make up for it

4/25/2006 11:20:19 AM

Quote :

"they also compare him to sayers because, like my friend sean said, he'll last about 6 years in the nfl"

Smart guy. I still think the texans should deal down and get Ferguson. All the RBs in the world would struggle behind their swiss cheese line.

4/25/2006 11:30:28 AM

WHy does everyone think he is going to struggle?

Dom Davis ran fine the last few seasons and he's not an elite back like Bush is.


Houstons problem is pass protection, not run blocking....

Reggie Bush is gonna go off this year no matter what team he's on...


This guy has the potential to be the best RB ever and for some reason you're acting like he's not going to at least be sick...

4/25/2006 11:34:22 AM

Reasons why Bush will struggle:
1)He's going to a sorry ass team, no matter what.

2)He's not going to have great weapons (supporting cast) like he did at USC (offensive line).

3)He's not a proven runner between the tackles. Ive argued this with many people. If the hole is there, he'll dart thru it like the damn road runner (which he is). But if its not, he automatically runs to the outside. NFL rb's CREATE holes when they don't exist. Or they're patient enough to wait for an opening. Ive seen bush be patient sometimes, but not enough. He tries to make a "big" play everytime he touches the ball, which isn't a bad thing, but it won't work in the NFL.

4)He's going to be in the NFL. So the argument about the PAC 10 weak ass conference will be thrown out. Guys are bigger,stronger, waaayy faster. PAC 10 defenses were weak, and gave up alot of points.

He's only gonna struggle until the Texans get a better run blocking line. More weapons to help bush, because he is not a work horse. This could take a couple of years, or could take one season. He prolly get 1000yds his first year, which isnt hard nowadays because of the long season(you do the math). But if you guys think he's gonna come in a shine like he did in helix high or usc, you're in for a rude awakening!

4/25/2006 12:38:06 PM

Good job, you just presented the exact same reasons why Ladanian Tomlinson was supposed to struggle in the NFL.


He was on a shitty team without weapons and coudlnt run between the tackles either.

He only emerged to be the best RB in football.



Bush will rush for a high yards per carry and have a shitload of receiving yards, book it.

If it wasn't for Dom Davis's presence I'd say Bush was in line for ~2,000 yards from scrimmage this season.

Quote :

"He tries to make a "big" play everytime he touches the ball, which isn't a bad thing, but it won't work in the NFL."

Yes, this strategy failed miserably for Barry Sanders.

[Edited on April 25, 2006 at 12:43 PM. Reason : a]

4/25/2006 12:41:06 PM

i read about half this thread

bush is the real deal

but i'd still take mario if i had the first pick

4/25/2006 12:42:22 PM

1) Bush is no Barry Sanders

2) you are false about LT not being able to run between the tackles, thats all he did in college

3)

Quote :

"If it wasn't for Dom Davis's presence I'd say Bush was in line for ~2,000 yards from scrimmage this season."

which is the same reason why he rushed for 2000 at USC right..........he's not a work horse.

3 again) he wasnt even the nations leading rusher. Oh, but you're gonna say "he had to share the load blah blah blah", which is all the more reasons why he was MORE successful than most rbs'. Because he had help. QB, RB, Linemen, all first rounders. can you come up with another Rb in this draft with the same help as bush did??? No.

clarification; my argument is that bush will struggle as a RUNNER, nothing else. so you idiots rallydurham, dont confuse me.

[Edited on April 25, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : LT = one man army. Barry Sanders = one man army. Bush = 10 man army]

4/25/2006 12:50:49 PM

Barry Sanders had Thurman Thomas at Oklahoma State

[Edited on April 25, 2006 at 1:31 PM. Reason : Oklahoma State has not had an OL drafted since at least 1982]

4/25/2006 1:29:45 PM

Quote :

" 2) you are false about LT not being able to run between the tackles, thats all he did in college"

You are just plain wrong here. This is the reason LDT slipped in the draft because all the analysts said they didn't think he could run between the tackles. This was the #1 concern about him in fact.

Quote :

"which is the same reason why he rushed for 2000 at USC right"

What the hell are you saying here? He rushed for 1,740 last year at USC and had nearly 500 receiving yards. That's well over 2,000 yards. And if they had wanted him to get more yards they could have easily done it.

Quote :

"again he wasnt even the nations leading rusher"

What the hell does this mean? So what. By your logic, Troy Davis should have been the best NFL RB ever.


Frankly, I dont give a shit what Bush did in college. I'm looking at his speed, acceleration, body balance, and agility.

This guy is gonna step in and immediately put up big numbers.

If you think otherwise you are nuts.

4/25/2006 4:24:00 PM

most people that say he isn't gonna be great are just trying to say it b/c in the very small chance he doesn't do well they can be like told you so

someone on 850 the buzz yesterday, a national guy not local, said that bush is simply a once in a 10 year type of back. his speed alone is enough to make him a good WR (esp. w/ his hands) but he does have some power and his ability to make people miss is ridiculous; and all that bottled up in an RB is the reason you have to draft him first

4/25/2006 4:28:12 PM

is it just a coincidence that the best competition usc played all year shut his ass down in the biggest game of the year?

4/25/2006 4:29:57 PM

^they weren't shutting him down in the first quarter when he broke one long and tried to lateral the ball and turned it over

like i said earlier; as the year wore on he became much more patient and was running b/t the tackles very well and at the end of the year is when he was having his ridiculous games

in the title game however, after that pitch he started pressing trying too hard to make up for it on every play and wasn't being patient enough

i still don't think he was "SHUT DOWN" though; he was held to much less than he was averaging over his past 4 games but he still had 95 yards rushing on limited carries (most of them went to white) and another 80 some receiving

4/25/2006 4:34:21 PM

What the fuck are you talking about? They didn't shut his ass down.

4/25/2006 4:35:02 PM

Bush will be a great back. My only concern about him is whether or not he can hold up over 16 games with 25+ touches/game. I'm sure he will over his career, but in the short term, I'm not so optimistic.

4/25/2006 4:40:19 PM

Quote :

"Bush, Reggie 13 84 2 82 1 26 6.3 "

those were his rushing stats in the rose bowl...he only got 13 carries so 84 yards means he still averaged 6.3 a pop...which wasn't up to his year long average but like i said he did not run as patient b/c he was trying to make up for his terrible decision

i watched almost all of his games over the last month of the season and he ran between the tackles EXTREMELY well in those games; he was patient and when he saw a hole he was through it so fast he was literally untouchable

Quote :

"My only concern about him is whether or not he can hold up over 16 games with 25+ touches/game. "

i think that he will be able to...he just didn't have to at USC because they had lendale and he is also very talented; just b/c he didn't at USC doesn't mean that he couldn't have. It was smart not too b/c when you have another back that good you might as well rest Bush some and let him be completely fresh when he plays

he weighs 205 though and has no body fat; there have been plenty of backs his size and smaller that have carried a full load in the NFL and been fine

[Edited on April 25, 2006 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2006 4:40:46 PM

Shut his ass down???

haha...

USCs offense dominated Texas defense.

Where the hell did that come from?

Yeah it looked like Texas had everything under control on Bush's 30 yard TD run. That was one of the most amazing runs Ive ever seen... boy they sure bottled him up alright.

4/25/2006 6:01:45 PM

Someone please embed the clip of his cutback run against Fresno State. That was beautiful. Most of the times when people cut back that hard they get caught...not Bush.

4/25/2006 6:04:23 PM