you know the one...



Eclipse AVN7000




I want

6/28/2006 12:23:44 AM

6/28/2006 12:25:19 AM

7in flip-out DVD/NAV touchscreeen

built in 20GB hard drive

only 13W RMS though



and of course, its $2400

6/28/2006 12:26:06 AM

you could build a much better car pc - put lcds in your headrests - backup camera - etc etc for much less

6/28/2006 12:30:54 AM

no, YOU could.
I would have to pay someone like YOU $2500 to do that to my car.

6/28/2006 12:34:45 AM

that may actually be a valid point, almost

6/28/2006 12:50:40 AM

yeah... a car pc would be sick

but you wouldn't want everyone to have touchscreens... they'd all be fighting
and if you went with regular lcds then you'd need a mouse

6/28/2006 12:52:47 AM

honestly i would rather have a car MAC and not a PC

6/28/2006 1:00:28 AM

and you'd be gay fer it.

6/28/2006 1:14:42 AM

well i never

6/28/2006 1:20:06 AM

car pcs are awesome

6/28/2006 1:28:21 AM

nahh i just don't like macs


and i think i'd run linux on mine just to have mplayer

6/28/2006 1:34:38 AM

*nix binaries will run natively on osx..

6/28/2006 1:54:14 AM

do car pcs have the sound quality that high end decks offer?? the specs on this are the worse i've seen on a eclipse 2v preouts, 89db signal to noise ratio, etc, most high end eclipse are 8v and 105snr.

6/28/2006 1:55:08 AM

theres only so much room for shit in a single DIN unit

6/28/2006 2:39:10 AM

I'd have a hard time believing any car audio manufacturer makes something better than an envy or audigy or any other pc 24/96 card.

6/28/2006 2:49:23 AM

well considering the 12v environment is about the worst possible for interference,noise, etc. i can't see the sound card being too much if better at all. based on specs the sound cards do shit on most of the decks out there though.the alpine f-1 does 120db snr but it's a $1800 deck that only plays cds.






[Edited on June 28, 2006 at 3:11 AM. Reason : can't type for shit]

6/28/2006 2:51:19 AM

Quote :

"do car pcs have the sound quality that high end decks offer?? the specs on this are the worse i've seen on a eclipse 2v preouts, 89db signal to noise ratio, etc, most high end eclipse are 8v and 105snr."

depends on how your audio setup is - the cheapest route it'll have the same quality as a cd player plugged into the tape deck sounds - the most expensive routes it'll compete with the best headunits on the market (if your budget is 2400 you can easily compete with expensive HUs)

my setup uses the pac aai-nis - it's as good as the cables/soundcard you use basically http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=186
http://www.logjamelectronics.com/pacaainis.html

Quote :

"well considering the 12v environment is about the worst possible for interference,noise, etc. i can't see the sound card being too much if better at all. based on specs the sound cards do shit on most of the decks out there though.the alpine f-1 does 120db snr but it's a $1800 deck that only plays cds."

the 12v environment has problems with interference if you don't get "clean" power - you can't use an inverter or anything like that - for more detailed info read mp3.com/vbulletin/

6/28/2006 9:58:19 AM

Your PC sound card will not output the same quality as a high end deck, unless you opt for a an ATX rig with a stud of a card.

Laptop? Forget about it.

Lucky for most of us, we wouldn't notice the difference between a 45$ sound card and a 800$ deck.

6/28/2006 10:55:48 AM

Quote :

"Your PC sound card will not output the same quality as a high end deck, unless you opt for a an ATX rig with a stud of a card. Laptop? Forget about it. Lucky for most of us, we wouldn't notice the difference between a 45$ sound card and a 800$ deck."

what does it being an atx rig have to do with anything? with a high end soundcard and good cables you can compete - especially in the price category

of course a laptop's mono out won't sound worth a damn - you can get a some very nice pcmcia cards though that although they won't be as good as some of the better desktop solutions will be good enough for 95% of the people that listen

the point was to say you could do better for much cheaper

6/28/2006 11:08:44 AM

not to mention have infinite control over things like crossovers and eq.

6/28/2006 11:32:55 AM

I was thinking an itx board with a pci riser and an envy24 or audigy myself. Currently I have an embedded linux machine run into the disc changer input on my head unit and it sounds pretty good. the speakers are probably my limitation.

6/28/2006 11:34:54 AM

yeah dont get a mac, you'd look fairly gay

6/28/2006 11:41:43 AM

In a car, unless you are competing, there is really no use in focusing on s/n and thd if you are buying quality components. That is, any reasonable deck and reasonable sound card are going to be more than quiet enough such that you can't even begin to hear it while on the road (even in uber luxo cars with massive sound dampening).

The difference between 89db and 120db isn't that much when actually driving. Sitting still with your car off, assuming everything else equal then even a reasonably trained ear won't be able to instantly notice the difference.

Quote :

"theres only so much room for shit in a single DIN unit"

Better DACs, caps, and resistors occupy the same space, but they cut into the margins of the product. One has to wonder though, why are they sparing expenses on a $2400 peice of equipment.

6/28/2006 12:58:22 PM

you could get that... or you could get yourself an ipod...

6/29/2006 12:59:21 PM

iPod does nav, dvd, and sat radio these days?

6/29/2006 1:39:11 PM

You'd need a pc case because they don't make any good laptop soundcards.

6/29/2006 3:49:01 PM

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"You'd need a pc case because they don't make any good laptop soundcards."

that's pretty much bullshit - what are you determining good by?

6/29/2006 4:03:52 PM

audigy2 pcmcia..

6/29/2006 4:04:03 PM

Don't pretty much bullshit me

And don't come at me with some shittastic Soundblaster bullshit.

You want to prove me wrong, then show me a laptop card with dual 24bit DAC's, optical out, and real hardware equalizer rather then algorithmic software abortion that Creative sells.

[Edited on June 29, 2006 at 4:10 PM. Reason : And no. I don't consider dongle based optical outs (sup iRiver) worthy of everyday use.]

6/29/2006 4:07:06 PM

Quote :

"audigy2 pcmcia.."

6/29/2006 4:16:39 PM

Yea, don't they have outboard "soundcards" that could connect via USB or firewire that you could also use??

6/29/2006 5:33:12 PM

they have a usb audigy and a pcmcia audigy2 zs with fiber in/out

6/29/2006 6:04:38 PM

Yea but the require a shit connector for the SPDIF.

6/29/2006 6:14:19 PM

Quote :

"You want to prove me wrong, then show me a laptop card with dual 24bit DAC's, optical out, and real hardware equalizer rather then algorithmic software abortion that Creative sells. [Edited on June 29, 2006 at 4:10 PM. Reason : And no. I don't consider dongle based optical outs (sup iRiver) worthy of everyday use.]"

Dude are you just arguing dumb points for the sake of arguing? I hope you aren't in anything related to engineering. I already pointed out, well over the vast majority of people certainly don't need what you just described over the 2 zs. Even the ones that might need it (you know, that 0.0000001% of the population), certainly can't hear the difference on the highway, and probably still can't pick it out when their ultra high end audio car is sitting still in an anechoic chamber playing music.

Hell, you said it yourself

Quote :

"Lucky for most of us, we wouldn't notice the difference between a 45$ sound card and a 800$ deck."

I mean, if you are just arguing sound quality versus sound quality for the sake of it, fair enough, but its a wasted argument in the large scheme of things (which is why I hope you aren't in engineering).

Additionally, if someone is taking their laptop in and out everyday, then you have a very slim point about the dongle, but this really isn't sound quality related anyway.

Regardless, you really really n00bed all over yourself anyway. I realize your most recent comment asked for a laptop card, but your original entry into this discussion was this

Quote :

"Laptop? Forget about it."

Basically, saying a laptop isn't useable in a car for sound quality reasons.

I offer you this
http://www.core-sound.com/Firewire-Audiophile/1.php

and several people at mp3car are doing this very thing (not sure if it is with this peice of hardware or other stuff).

Read the first review if you want to know how glorious this thing sounds
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001AVUXA/102-8790156-2677758?v=glance&n=172282

[Edited on June 29, 2006 at 8:52 PM. Reason : anyway]

6/29/2006 8:51:20 PM

one cool thing about this h/u is it plugs into factory toyota wiring. that's right, no aftermarket wiring harness needed.

6/29/2006 9:38:57 PM

wierd? native toyota wiring? coincidence?

6/30/2006 11:42:08 PM