http://raleigh.craigslist.org/pet/195232653.html


even if this story isn't real it should make you feel guilty if you are letting your animals contribute to overpopulation

8/17/2006 2:00:14 PM

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8/17/2006 2:01:14 PM

sorry I didn't see it in search...I just read it and it made me cry

8/17/2006 2:01:39 PM

DON'T BE CRUEL TO YOUR ANIMALS

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF I CUT OFF YOUR BALLS OR TOOK YOUR OVARIES OUT???

8/17/2006 2:02:41 PM

people get sterilized all the time

8/17/2006 2:03:06 PM

^WITH THEIR CONSENT

OK, SO LET ME STERILIZE YOU

8/17/2006 2:03:57 PM

the difference is that I'm not having a billion babies living on the streets suffering that end up in a kill shelter

8/17/2006 2:04:29 PM

gah, i didnt read past where they get the dogs food. im crying like a baby.

8/17/2006 2:04:37 PM

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"smelling of Carbon Monoxide"

uhhh carbon monoxide is odorless

8/17/2006 2:08:25 PM

yea that's what someone else said in a reply to it on craigslist
..even if this story is not all entirely true you know the process is still horrible

8/17/2006 2:09:52 PM

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"the difference is that I'm not having a billion babies living on the streets suffering that end up in a kill shelter"

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOMESTICATED BY ANOTHER SPECIES

THERE SHOULD BE NO PETS

EVENTUALLY HUMANS SHOULD WORK ON INTRODUCING ALL DOMESTICATED ANIMALS USED AS PETS BACK INTO THE WILD

DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE OVERPOPULATING IF THEY WERE IN THE WILD?

NATURE TAKES CARE OF ITSELF AND THERE IS EQUILIBRIUM

DOGS DIDN'T ASK TO BECOME PETS TO HUMANS

IT IS LIKE SLAVERY

8/17/2006 2:10:48 PM

ok dude

8/17/2006 2:11:13 PM

there was a story on CNN about this dog who was in the gas for 30 minutes and survived

he was foaming at the mouth, and very very sick.

8/17/2006 2:12:10 PM

the worst part was when he was talking about overstuffing the crate to save on gas and just putting as many dogs and cats in there togther as he can fit with them all fighting and freaking out and some of them still being alive after 40 minutes

[Edited on August 17, 2006 at 2:13 PM. Reason : t]

8/17/2006 2:13:41 PM

man, that was tough to read

8/17/2006 2:21:30 PM

whoa, is OEP a peta nutcase?

8/17/2006 2:22:30 PM

^no, he's just a moron


i'm pretty sure most dogs enjoy being pampered and living 15+ years rather than being killed in the wild by the age of 3 or 4 while trying to hunt for their dinner

8/17/2006 2:28:42 PM

no, just your garden variety troll.

8/17/2006 2:30:28 PM

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"THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOMESTICATED BY ANOTHER SPECIES THERE SHOULD BE NO PETS EVENTUALLY HUMANS SHOULD WORK ON INTRODUCING ALL DOMESTICATED ANIMALS USED AS PETS BACK INTO THE WILD DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD BE OVERPOPULATING IF THEY WERE IN THE WILD? NATURE TAKES CARE OF ITSELF AND THERE IS EQUILIBRIUM DOGS DIDN'T ASK TO BECOME PETS TO HUMANS IT IS LIKE SLAVERY"

worst. argument. ever.

8/17/2006 2:49:29 PM

It's not that bad, just different.

Society tells us to have pets, not nature.

8/17/2006 2:53:31 PM

Bob Barker?

8/17/2006 3:01:52 PM

By the way, thats not real. He posted that from an email.

8/17/2006 3:02:27 PM

how about instead of spaying your pets.....


BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO CONTROL THEM

8/17/2006 3:35:45 PM

“Society tells us to have pets”



It’s a symbiotic relationship. They get food, shelter, and attention; I get stress relief from petting cats and to mspaint them. There’s no way society is telling me to do that.

8/17/2006 3:50:07 PM

It's more like society has taught us to have pets.

And I'm not saying it isn't good for the animals to be pets, as well as it can be very good for the owner as well.

[Edited on August 17, 2006 at 3:56 PM. Reason : clarification]

8/17/2006 3:51:23 PM

8/17/2006 4:04:03 PM

^lol, i've got a few relatives and friends that really should not reproduce.

8/17/2006 4:08:37 PM

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"DOGS DIDN'T ASK TO BECOME PETS TO HUMANS"

Actually, the first ones to come up to people were kind of down with it. And when I turn my dog loose outside, it strangely doesn't run away to join some sort of canine underground railroad.

8/17/2006 4:34:11 PM

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"DOGS DIDN'T ASK TO BECOME PETS TO HUMANS"

my dog did...she telepathically communicated with me when i went to the spca and said "hey there...you look cool...why don't you take me home? i promise i'll love you and cuddle and be sweet if you'll take me in." and ya know what? she's upheld her end of the bargain so far it's been a pretty good arrangement.

8/17/2006 4:54:39 PM

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"whoa, is OEP a peta nutcase? "

NO. I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH PETA, AND I DON'T GO AROUND PELTING FUR COATS WITH RED-DYED WATER.

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"i'm pretty sure most dogs enjoy being pampered and living 15+ years rather than being killed in the wild by the age of 3 or 4 while trying to hunt for their dinner"

HOW DO YOU KNOW? DID THE DOGS TELL YOU? DID THEY SPEAK TO YOU LIKE INTELLIGENT BEINGS? WE HUMANS WOULDN'T LIKE IT IF SOME SUPER SPECIES IN THE FUTURE KEPT US AS PETS AND MET ALL OUR NEEDS AND WERE NICE TO US, EXCEPT THEY STERILIZED US. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? OR WOULD YOU FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM. WHAT'S THAT SAYING... IT IS BETTER TO BE POOR ON YOUR FEET THAN TO BE RICH ON YOUR KNEES. YEAH, SO IF HUMANS ARE LIKE THAT, WHY DO YOU THINK ANIMALS ARE ANY DIFFERENT? THAT IS COMMON TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. TRY TO CATCH ANY WILD ANIMAL AND THEY RESIST. SURE, THE ANCESTORS OF DOGS WERE CURIOUS ABOUT HUMANS AND SO STARTED COMING CLOSE TO THEIR SETTLEMENTS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WANTED TO BE ENSLAVED OR DOMESTICATED OR KEPT AS PETS.

AS FOR YOUR POINT ABOUT DOGS ENJOYING BEING PAMPERED, WHAT ABOUT FUCKING? DON'T YOU THINK DOGS AND CATS WANT TO FUCK TOO? ISN'T THAT PART OF THEIR NATURE? AND YOU, BY PREVENTING IT, ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ABERRATION AND CRUELTY. OH BUT, YOU WILL SAY, PREVENTING THEM FROM FUCKING PREVENTS THE CREATION OF SO MANY OTHER DOGS AND CATS WHICH WILL HAVE TO BE KILLED. SURE. BUT WHO CREATED THIS SITUATION? YOU, THAT'S RIGHT. HUMANS CREATED THIS SITUATION BY DOMESTICATING ANIMALS FOR RECREATION. IF THERE WERE NO PET DOGS AND CATS, THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUE OF PREVENTING THEM FROM FUCKING, BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THREAD, NATURE TAKES CARE OF ITSELF AND MAINTAINS EQUILIBRIUM, SO THERE WOULD BE NO OVERPOPULATION. DO WILD DOGS AND CATS GO AROUND OVERPOPULATING THMESELVES? NO. DO YOU SEE THAT YOU ALONG WITH OTHER PET OWNERS ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR PREVENTING DOGS AND CATS FROM ACTING ON THEIR NATURAL URGES AND INSTINCTS? YOU DON'T SEE THAT AT ALL AS BEING CRUEL?

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"no, just your garden variety troll."

NO. I SERIOUSLY BELIEVE IT IS TOTALLY WRONG TO KEEP PETS, NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU TREAT THEM. JUST LIKE WE HUMANS LIKE TO BE FREE, ANIMALS SHOULD BE FREE ALSO. WHAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO KEEP THEM AS TOYS FOR OUR ENJOYMENT? SURE, YOU MGHT TREAT THEM NICELY, BUT NO ONE BUYS A PET WITH THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF BEING NICE TO SOME ENTITY; EVERYONE BUYS A PET BECAUSE THEY NEED COMPANY AND ENJOYMENT. THAT'S SLAVERY, ALBEIT HUMANE SLAVERY, BUT SLAVERY NONETHELESS.

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"worst. argument. ever. "

YEAH, WHAT YOU SAID SURE REBUTS MY ARGUMENT.

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"And when I turn my dog loose outside, it strangely doesn't run away to join some sort of canine underground railroad."

MY GOD, THAT IS STUPID. DO I EVEN HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT'S BECAUSE IT DOESN'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT, AND THAT DOGS AREN'T INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO FORM UNDERGROUND ORGANIZATIONS FOR THEIR FREEDOM? IT IS UP TO US HUMANS TO REVERSE THIS PERVERSION CREATED THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO BY OUR ANCESTORS BY EVENTUALLY HAVING NO MORE PETS IN THE FUTURE. IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO DO.

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"my dog did...she telepathically communicated with me when i went to the spca and said "hey there...you look cool...why don't you take me home? i promise i'll love you and cuddle and be sweet if you'll take me in." and ya know what? she's upheld her end of the bargain so far it's been a pretty good arrangement."

JESUS, ANOTHER ONE. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PET YOU HAVE. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS OF DOGS BECOMING PETS THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. READ THE REST OF MY POST.

P.S. WHAT'S DISGUSTING IS THAT THIS "PET-IFICATION" PROCESS IS NOW SPREADING TO OTHER KINDS OF ANIMALS, SUCH AS LIZARDS, SNAKES, TURTLES, ETC. FIRST IT WAS MAMMALS, THEN BIRDS, THEN FISH, AND NOW REPTILES AND AMPHIBIANS. THIS IS UTTERLY SICK. DO YOU THINK ANIMALS ARE JUST BORN PETS? THEY ARE MADE PETS FIRST, AND THEN CONTINUE TO BE BORN INTO SERVITUDE AND "PET-HOOD". CATCHING ANIMALS FROM THE WILD AND THEN BREEDING THEM TO SERVE HUMAN PLEASURE IS EVIL AND HAUGHTY.

[Edited on August 17, 2006 at 6:50 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2006 6:47:06 PM

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"DO I EVEN HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT'S BECAUSE IT DOESN'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT, AND THAT DOGS AREN'T INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO FORM UNDERGROUND ORGANIZATIONS FOR THEIR FREEDOM?"

Clearly part of what I said was a joke. But a lot of animals have freedom -- mine are left outside in the country with nothing keeping them bound to us at all. As long as they hang around, we help them out, but if they want to leave they can.

Of course, I don't really care about any of that, because I realize that an entity of such substantially lower intelligence is fundamentally incapable of understanding or desiring such an abstract concept as "freedom."

All this from a guy with a boner for countries that treat their people worse than I treat my dog.

8/17/2006 7:08:32 PM

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"because I realize that an entity of such substantially lower intelligence is fundamentally incapable of understanding or desiring such an abstract concept as "freedom.""

AGAIN, SEE MY COMMENT ABOUT WILD ANIMALS RESISTING CAPTURE. YOU CANNOT SAY BECAUSE PETS DON'T DESIRE FREEDOM, ANIMALS DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT. PETS ARE NOT REALLY NATURAL ANIMALS, THEY ARE AN ABERRATION OF NATURE. THEY ARE MAN-MADE. TRY CAPTURING AN WILD DOG IN AFRICA AND THEN REPORT BACK TO ME.

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"All this from a guy with a boner for countries that treat their people worse than I treat my dog."

SURE. AND ALL WHAT YOU SAID FROM A GUY WHO COMES FROM A COUNTRY WHERE DOGS ARE TREATED INFINITELY BETTER THAN THE TREATMENT THEY GIVE TO HUMANS IN COUNTRIES THEY SUPPOSEDLY "LIBERATE". OH WHAT IRONY, WE WERE TALKING OF ANIMAL FREEDOM, AND NOW HUMAN FREEDOM.

8/17/2006 7:14:03 PM

8/17/2006 7:17:46 PM

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"YOU CANNOT SAY BECAUSE PETS DON'T DESIRE FREEDOM, ANIMALS DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT."

Just like you can't say that an animal running away from me means it understands "freedom." It doesn't run away from me to be free. It runs away from me because I'm big and strange and a possible threat.

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"THEY ARE AN ABERRATION OF NATURE."

So is the totality of the human race at this point. You want that we should all off ourselves while we're on this crusade to make everything "natural" again?

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"AND ALL WHAT YOU SAID FROM A GUY WHO COMES FROM A COUNTRY WHERE DOGS ARE TREATED INFINITELY BETTER THAN THE TREATMENT THEY GIVE TO HUMANS IN COUNTRIES THEY SUPPOSEDLY "LIBERATE"."

Meh. The dogs don't want me dead.

8/17/2006 7:18:24 PM

You arent going to be able to reintroduce pets into the wild without more "playing god" to breed certain natural instincts back into the

8/17/2006 7:21:59 PM

Depends on the type of pet.

8/17/2006 7:50:53 PM

Well I was mainly talking about dogs, lots of cats would do fine.

8/17/2006 7:52:43 PM

That was hard to read.

8/17/2006 8:24:56 PM

this thread has made me realize what najeeb's problem is.

he's impotent, in every sense of the word.

8/17/2006 8:36:36 PM

lol

8/17/2006 8:58:23 PM

My friend's family has 8 cats, and they bitched at us for about 3 years until we got our dog spayed (onyl so we could adopt another dog). it's not like we let her run around wild and get pregnant everywhere. same with our cat. he was an outdoor cat, and my dad is old fashioned and said he didn't want to invest money in something that was probably going to get hit by a car. which it did.

8/17/2006 10:31:53 PM

an outdoor male cat that is not fixed most certainly impregnated other cats

I think the problem stems from those old fashioned ideas. My stepdad told me stories from when he was a kid and was forced to put kittens in a bag and sink them in the river because there were too many cats on the farm.

Today there are a lot of voucher programs out there to help people with limited finances spay or neuter their animals. I think anyone who has a pet can at least afford or set aside $20 to get their animal fixed..if not they shouldn't have one.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 2:44 PM. Reason : d]

8/18/2006 2:41:39 PM

You People

8/18/2006 3:38:39 PM

Honestly, why don't we just cap the dogs in the head?

I mean, isn't carbon monoxide supposed to be like a "fall asleep and not wake up" type of death. If whatever we use is cruel and hurts them so bad, why not a .45 to the back of the skull. It would be much easier and humane. Shit, if you paid me enough, I'd do it all day long.

8/18/2006 4:35:02 PM