http://tinyurl.com/mte6w

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"We got shocked and awed on Tuesday when George Felix Allen pushed his way ahead of Dick Durbin to present an amendment as his own that Durbin had tried to pass on an earlier bill and was preparing to present again. Durbin had little choice but to allow the amendment to go forward with Allen being the author of record. We have known for some time that the central core of the Senate majority has no shame. Now we know that they have no honor either."

9/12/2006 9:24:38 AM

Aliens steal Durham Bulls

9/12/2006 9:25:07 AM

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9/12/2006 9:45:10 AM

here is a different article on it

http://tinyurl.com/h763q

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 9:49 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 9:47:38 AM

"shall" vs "may"

9/12/2006 9:48:34 AM

it's still stolen

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 9:49:16 AM

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"Allen's amendment initially said funding up to $12 million for the brain injury program "may be available." Handwritten changes revised the measure to require that funding of $19 million "shall be available, matching Durbin's amendment on those points."

9/12/2006 9:51:36 AM

still plagarism.

and if a student did this at a university they would be punished according to the rules of the institution.

9/12/2006 9:53:39 AM

so do you think Durbin wrote the bill all by himself

also Allen submitted his first...who stole it from who?

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"The theft allegation "is a preposterous notion," Allen campaign manager Dick Wadhams shot back. He pointed out that Allen's amendment was numbered 4883 and Durbin's, 4884, indicating Allen's was filed first."

if two students at a university did this I would imagine the one who turned his in last would get in trouble

9/12/2006 9:55:25 AM

there is a reason why allen's was filed first. He was asked for the floor from Durbin and filed it.

Durbin had circulated a letter with his proposed amendment a week prior.

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"if two students at a university did this I would imagine the one who turned his in last would get in trouble"

If the second person to turn their's in had prior circulated his for proof reading and such, the first person would get in trouble.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 10:03 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 10:02:24 AM

I guess it's a good thing they aren't in college then.

9/12/2006 10:12:08 AM

as treetwista correctly pointed out, there is a world of difference in the intent of "shall" and "may"...it's a directive versus a non-directive. in bill language this is very important.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 10:14:34 AM

why did he steal every other part of the wording then?

9/12/2006 10:49:11 AM

I don't know, why DID Durbin steal every part of the wording

9/12/2006 10:51:32 AM

completely ignore the fact that there is evidence of durbin's bill from a week ago when it was sent to everyone in the fucking senate.

9/12/2006 10:52:58 AM

evidence? like Allen's democratic challenger accusing him? Its complete speculation...just another thread to bash somebody you dont like

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"Webb campaign alleges senator 'stole' language; Allen camp denies charge"

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"Durbin said he had circulated a letter to fellow senators about his own proposal last week. "

Is this your only evidence?

9/12/2006 10:57:32 AM

9/12/2006 11:00:31 AM

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"Webb campaign alleges senator 'stole' language; Allen camp denies charge"

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"Durbin said he had circulated a letter to fellow senators about his own proposal last week. "

Is this your only evidence?

9/12/2006 11:01:18 AM

there is evidence of the idea of durbin's amendment.

if another senator beat him to the punch with seperate, more directive language...so be it

that's how the system functions.

9/12/2006 11:03:20 AM

why does this matter?

And why would they do it anyway?

The only thing i could think of is Allen wants that specific wording in there and that by putting it in Allen saves time in editing Durbin's version later.

I mean, is that it?

9/12/2006 11:04:35 AM

you dont want people getting credit for your work, especially if it is successful.

9/12/2006 11:48:31 AM

who knows whos work it is?

9/12/2006 11:55:53 AM

he asked why it was a big deal and i told him. i made no other argument.

9/12/2006 11:56:59 AM

This whole country would be better off if the law makers/political parties were more concerned with passing laws to benefit the people they represent and less concerned with getting the credit/kudos.

9/12/2006 12:00:55 PM

hard to continue to do so when ppl think you arent doing anything worthwhile.

9/12/2006 12:17:23 PM

it's a high probability that this amendment was the literal product of a veteran's affairs group, using durbin or allen or whoever as the vehicle to introduce it. very rarely does a member of congress write a bill on their own so it's not the plagarism you imply nutsmackr

9/12/2006 12:18:53 PM

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"The only thing i could think of is Allen wants that specific wording in there and that by putting it in Allen saves time in editing Durbin's version later. I mean, is that it?"

Yes, but you don't want anyone taking your talking points do you?

I mean, sure it is kinda a douche move, but it isn't like he's submitting work for academic approval, he's proposing an amendment to a bill. They will vote on this amendment...

Big fucking deal.

9/12/2006 12:51:29 PM

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"if two students at a university did this I would imagine the one who turned his in last would get in trouble"

youre a fucking idiot.

9/12/2006 1:41:11 PM

Roughly this sort of thing happened to me on an exam in undergrad. Someone copied my answers, turned in theirs first. problem is: i made a careless mistake on one question and they copied it. long story short: the other guy got a zero, even though he turned his in first.

9/12/2006 1:42:49 PM

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"This whole country would be better off if the law makers/political parties were more concerned with passing laws to benefit the people they represent and less concerned with getting the credit/kudos."

The second dumbest thing posted in this thread.

9/12/2006 1:44:04 PM

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"also Allen submitted his first...who stole it from who?"

Allen admitted on the senate floor he change the one word. Suspend for stupidity.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 1:45 PM. Reason : 243]

9/12/2006 1:45:34 PM

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""This whole country would be better off if the law makers/political parties were more concerned with passing laws to benefit the people they represent and less concerned with getting the credit/kudos.""

Josh, the fact that you insulted this sentence shows how much of a fucking retard you are.

This is one of those sentences that EVERYONE could get behind.

9/12/2006 1:56:14 PM

the whole idea of our representative government is that politicians do things to get liked. they don't have to necessarily have good intentions, the voters will take care of that themselves by voting them out if they're not doing what the voters want.

9/12/2006 1:59:54 PM

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"This whole country would be better off if the law makers/political parties were more concerned with passing laws to benefit the people they represent and less concerned with getting the credit/kudos"

^^ youre a complete idiot.

If a law is written, I want to know who wrote it. If you dont, youre insane. But youre a conservative. So its not a far trip. Recognizing authors is massively important. How else would eveyone know to skip over anything YOU write?




[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : 4 ]

9/12/2006 2:05:40 PM

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"Josh8315"

the dumbest poster in the world

9/12/2006 2:07:59 PM

suspend for trolling^

9/12/2006 2:08:55 PM

another gay nutsmackr thread with gay troll josh#### trolling

9/12/2006 2:09:29 PM

suspend for trolling^

9/12/2006 2:09:57 PM

Durbins steals Allens bill

9/12/2006 2:11:03 PM

suspend for trolling^

9/12/2006 2:14:49 PM

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[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 2:23 PM. Reason : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaeaMGHZwnE]

9/12/2006 2:23:07 PM

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"If a law is written, I want to know who wrote it."

I'm MORE concerned with whether a law benefits the populace. And if connotation isn't your thing, let me refer you to "credit/kudos" and how it isn't at all the same as "responsibility"

What you want to know is who was responsible, not who gets kudos.

I'm more interested in who votes for a law than who wrote it, but that's just a crazy conservative opinion.

9/12/2006 4:07:25 PM

god forbid you want someone who can actually COME UP with ideas.

9/12/2006 6:58:00 PM